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  1. Posted

    7 minutes ago, b47356 said:

    4 years or so? That would be how long the mag ban has been rolling around. After Bruen, the 3rd circuit dumped it back down to the district court, so it has essentially started over.

    Your tax dollars at work.

    Hopefully in another 4 years we will know how it turns out.

    I guess we are doing better then the california open carry case, which was argued in front of the 9th circuit in 2018 (originally filed in 2011), which they never ruled on. Of course, that has also been kicked back to district court due to Bruen.

    These cases won’t take that long. Injunctive relief even in the form of a temporary one until the case is heard will come. Bruen has made the case law. SCOTUS has ruled. Now the courts just have to enforce it despite lower courts attempting to work around it. The current NJ and NY carry laws are more fundamental than a magazine limit . 

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  2. Posted

    1 hour ago, BigGuns said:

    I do, and I get the updates. But knowing that pieces of paper were sent to court houses and Trenton doesn't personally excite me. That's been going on for decades.

    What shit has gone our way? Some people got to carry for a few months, after jumping through major hoops, only to get smacked back down? Yes, the 2A organizations have been fighting every new law, and putting a lot of effort into it.

    Gun owners are in worse shape today in this state, then any other time, after the Bruen decision.

    So, I'll ask you again, what's been the final result? Did we get 30 round mags back, did all the restrictions on ARs get reversed? Can we carry hollow point ammo? In my world, final actions and results are what matters, not talk, but apparently I'm a minority in that area.

    You’re bitching before the first court case on this has even been heard. NY has won its court cases. It’s just that they appealed and it’s on hold until the appeals court makes a decision. 
    Just the fact you can now even realistically apply for carry permit and get if without being part of a certain profession was a big win. A big win that was years in the making after the Heller decision. The new NJ law has only been around for less than a week . Give it some time .

  4. Posted

    18 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

    i hope/pray much quicker than that........

    I think it will be. A injunction ( temporary or permanent) should come down pretty quickly just like in NY. The question is will the appeals court allow the injunction to remain in effect during the appeal . Two years before it hits SCOTUS as a main case rather than a preliminary injunction stage on the high end. 

  6. Posted

    47 minutes ago, RadioGunner said:

    If you were denied a PTC, you're now entitled to a hearing and due process. 

    Don’t forget that one no longer has to prove a reason to have a carry permit. How many people here could legally carry in NJ before Bruen ?  Or even realistically even apply for a carry permit with a real chance of it being granted before Bruen ? I could only because of LEOSA ( a federal law). 

  7. Posted

    35 minutes ago, BigGuns said:

    Nice adult response.

    I'm asking the question. You claim you lived in NJ for 20 years. What other gun laws that were signed into law were later overturned? Stop being so over emotional and think logically. You're an engineer, I believe.

    The 15 round law was passed back in the 1990s I think. Not repealed. The 10 round law passed in early 2018. Not repealed. The evil features on ARs were passed. Still not overturned. The whole overburdened FID process and P2P process is still law. All the other BS gun laws regarding transportation, ammo, etc. is still in force and not overturned.

    Hell, this whole process of applying for a PTC is a total overburdened nightmare. I can send in one page form to another state and get a PTC, and I don't even live there.

    So yes, everyone hopes this current disaster of a law is overturned, but looking at past history and success of other lawsuits, please feel free to tell me what other laws were overruled in our favor in the past decade or two.

    Please remember when one looks for gun laws being overturned, you have to look at laws that are post- Heller, McDonald and now Bruen. Again, Chicago had a lot of their post McDonald laws overturned. Bruen has given a new standard to be applied . 

  8. Posted

    27 minutes ago, EngineerJet said:

    According to new law, there is no more open carry.

    There is a security guard exemption allowing open carry. The way the exemption is written, it might require open carry for security guards in sensitive places. 
      “  f.  Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit an employee of an armored car company who is the holder of a valid and lawfully issued permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4 who is contractually authorized to provide services for a client at a place enumerated in subsection a. of this section from carrying a firearm, openly, in the regular course of employment.“

  9. Posted

    34 minutes ago, BigGuns said:

    Did you actually READ your link. The city took away more rights than gun owners kept. Plus a law passed in 1982 took until 2010 to get overturned. I guess you consider all this winning right? And, you'll wait until 2050 to be able to freely carry in NJ?

    Didn't you run away from NJ and head to TX. Is that considered fighting for NJ?

    The city took more rights? Go look again after you realize what they had before the McDonald decision. Then look up the law they passed after the McDonald decision which was struck down.

    https://investortimes.com/freedomoutpost/chicago-gun-laws-gets-gutted-city-council/

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-gun-range-restrictions-20170118-story.html

    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/judge-overturns-chicagos-ban-on-gun-sales-keeps-ordinance-in-place-for-now/

  10. Posted

    2 hours ago, xXxplosive said:

    Moron.......we're talkin about the Second Amendment of the Bill Of Rights here....not your damn 3 more rounds in your Dumb Ass magazine......

    It was the second amendment that was the grounds for it. And watch your language and what names you call people even if you disagree with them .

    I gave you one example. There others to how the court have rejected similar things in the past. This crap was tried in Chicago after the McDonald decision too. 
     

    And  3 more rounds . But more importantly, it set a bottom for how low they could go- aim to restrict future magazine restrictions to 10. It’s why the New York CCIA law and probably why NJ didn’t attempt to make a seven round limit either. 
    And those 3 extra rounds in my gun hopefully will never have to make the difference. But it was the one part of these laws that I had a direct effect on me. 

  11. Posted

    41 minutes ago, BigGuns said:

    This is what I see happening. It will drag for a long time, if it gets overturned, the Democrats will just pass something else. Or, they'll do just like the SAFE Act, throw out a crumb or two, and call it a day.

    Did anyone really think the Democrats would just roll over, and allow Bruen to stand, unopposed?

    Go look up how Chicago attempted the same thing . The federal circuit court threatened to turn the state into constitutional carry if they kept it up

    https://www.ibtimes.com/short-history-chicagos-battles-courts-over-gun-control-1530100

  13. Posted

    37 minutes ago, BigGuns said:

    That's my point. Of course everyone is hoping this new law will be overturned.

    But I'm a realist. Tell me which one of the past laws have been reversed. For starters, the 30 round, down to 15 round, down to 10 round. That's been kicked around the courts for 4-1/2 years, and still no resolution.

    How about all the evil features on ARs, have they been reversed or removed. FID permits, P2P permits, hollow points, transport laws, etc.,  they're all still in place. The history of reversing these unconstitutional laws in the past isn't great.

    And yes, they'll just keep moving the goal posts.

    It's nice you had a few months of carrying, but that just ended in the majority of the state. Who knows if/when these news laws will be reversed? Past history hasn't been friendly to us.

    The NY SAFE act . Parts were overturned in court ( and in the 2nd circuit). NY had a seven round limit until it or was overturned in court —- CT’s law on a certain pump action rifle was also overturned.

  14. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Indianajonze said:

    who do you want to primary out? as far as i know every republican voted against this crap, and the dems are institutionalized. every one of them has a job for life if they want it, as do their families (see menendez)

    yet she easily won reelection...

    Yep but they didn’t see her coming when she with hell of a PAC I am talking about took that seat from nationally prominent democrat. 

  15. Posted

    31 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

    If they can personally sue Mr. Trump in Federal Court the so-called state organizations can sue Gov. Murphy personally in Fed. Court for depriving the good citizens of NJ of their 2A Rights under the US Constitution....and make him own it......likewise other states, other Govs.......omo.

    Please go look up what Trump is getting sued for. They are suing for acts by him not as president of the US. All the other lawsuits are covered by the us government. 

  16. Posted

    1 hour ago, BigGuns said:

    Bad comparison. Only like 10% of voters came out in that primary where she won. The other 90% ended up with Buyer's Remorse.

    No, that is the point. If we became that 10% in a democrat primary—and if we were willing to vote against that person regardless of who the other person was …what would happen? They would fear us. 
     

    Our answer would be , the nut job we just voted in couldn’t be any worse than what you just did on this issue. The next politician who is told we will do the same to you if you continue to vote against on this issue , it will happen to you, will listen .

  17. Posted

    2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

    because of that, i will never spend a dime with them. this shiit's getting old

    It used to be for everyone but it was the New York AG that chased them out from covering everyone. Now. Ask yourself, why to they cover LE? 
    The answer is so they can sue LE and have a chance of getting money . Suing a retired officer means no money for their clients ( remember most of them are lawyers). A retired LE is often “ judgement proof” ( can’t get blood from a stone ).

    NY didn’t impose the insurance requirement on the carry permit. 

     

  19. Posted

    1 hour ago, BigGuns said:

    That won't work either. There are too many useless eaters in the state that vote Democrat every time.

    That’s the point. It’s to have a threat to “ unelect” someone instead of electing someone . Look at what AOC did to the establishment when she primaried a national leader. The PAC that put her in got influence in all sorts of matters that AOC has nothing to do with. 
    Just pick one and get them “ unelected”, no matter who the replacement is and it scares the others.

  20. Posted

    Guys, this talk of successfully suing politicians personally is just echo chamber talk. It will never happen. 
    If you want to hurt them, let them know you will send money to their opponents ( both in a primary challenge and in the general election). 
    We should make a political action committee that doesn’t fight them on the issue of gun control but goes after anti/gun politicians on other points . Pay for the radio and internet ads supporting their opponents. without ever mentioning guns.

    We pool our money against one candidate who was anti gun and get them out . Become a PAC who is feared. 
     

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  21. Posted

    6 minutes ago, ESB said:

    Nope.  :(  

     

    USCCA Membership is not available to residents of New Jersey, New York or Washington State.

     

    Do you have coverage in all 50 states?

    We currently cover 47 states and Washington DC. The states we are no longer able to cover are NJ, NY, and WA. However, coverage is available for NY law enforcement officials at www.nyle.ccwsafe.com.

    You can find more about the states we do not cover in our terms.

    I was afraid of that . I have insurance but I don’t reside in NJ but forced to be in NJ a lot. I get to carry on LEOSA so the insurance requirements also don’t apply but I have it. Will the company cover me in NJ, who knows. 

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