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Ordered 19 flats that should last a few months. Came out to $48.60/flat with tax and discounted gift cards
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Tony, I have put some serious thought into this subject myself and I've come to the conclusion that the best VALUE is a dedicated upper such as the nordic components upper for about $500
These points are all specific to my situation and needs but likely translates across the board.
The rifle in question is my 3-gun rifle, which is what I was looking into the options for. Here's what I concluded.
Conversion kit:
Pros;
- Cheapest option
- Same rifle, so the trigger, grip(s), stock, optics etc remain exactly the same. Good for training.
Cons;
- Poor accuracy since the twist rate is for .223/5.56
- Reliability may be ehh
- Dirties your upper up. Must clean before changing back.
Dedicated rifle:
Pros;
- Keeps the filth out of your competition/duty rifle
- Very good accuracy and reliability
Cons;
- It's another gun
- it is the most expensive route if you want to clone a current rifle, as you need to buy the rifle, plus the same trigger you have in your existing rifle, same optic(s), grip(s), handguard, etc which depending on your setup could be an additional $200 or $2,000+
- If you don't spend all the money to make it the same as your current rifle, then it's not really a parallel training platform
Dedicated upper:
Pros;
- Keeps 99% of the filth out of your competition/duty rifle. When you're ready to convert back, you take off your dirty 22 upper and install your clean 556 upper!
- Very good accuracy and reliability
- You don't have to "clone" the lower part of your existing rifle, as you are using your existing trigger, grip, and stock on your lower already. Good for training, don't have to buy the parts in duplicate too.
- Not another "firearm" to buy
- Intermediate in cost, you don't have to buy another trigger, stock, grip, in addition to an entirely new rifle
Cons;
- I won't even list cost as a con here, because it's clearly the best value. You buy half as much stuff as a dedicated rifle and you get a result far greater than a basic conversion.
Condensing the bullets down into a closing thought:
My thought is the best choice is a dedicated upper. It is less costly to "clone" an existing rifle for training purposes this route, as you don't need to buy another trigger/stock/grip since you use your existing lower. The feel will be the same, that's a great thing. You can take your dirty training upper off and put your clean upper on when it's go-time.
Hope this is clear and doesn't make the decision even harder!
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12 hours ago, Tony13 said:Awesome, thanks for the info.
How is your holster attached to the belt? I'm looking to drop mine down and have it off my body a little.
I was looking at the USPSA kit or the model 6281drop adapter. Are you using either one?
I have it on an Invictus Practical drop, the hp-1, found here http://www.invictuspractical.com/holster-hanger.html
I haven't tried either of the drops you mentioned, but I'm happy with the Invictus. It looks stiffer and more offset than the 6281 with more options, the USPSA kit is a whole other animal
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On 3/6/2018 at 8:48 PM, Tony13 said:I'm also interested in this system but all the parts and numbers is a little confusing to what I need when looking at the web site.
Is there a local store to go to that has stock of safariland products?
Can you guys list the parts, model numbers would be great, of what your rig consists of?
Thanks
Here's an overview of a basic setup starting from the inside and working your way outwards.
First, you have the belt itself which is two piece. Inner goes on you like a normal belt. Then you stick the outer belt to your inner belt.
Inner belt:
Outer belt:
For everything except the holster (truth be told, I've used it for a holster too, but QLS is stronger and intended for holsters)
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1338349848/safariland-els-kit-2-pairAnd then the QLS for the holster
To set it up, put the belt on you the way you want to wear it. I would recommend having where the belt joins be located right behind the holster as that's where you won't be putting equipment, anyways.
Attach the QLS plate to the belt where you want your holster. Then attach the ELS plates where you want the option of attaching your other gear.
Then you attach the forks on everything you want to attach to the plates, and tada, you're done. Pretty much everything will accept a ELS fork, and if it doesn't, it can probably be made to. I've rigged a bladetech holster to ELS before with a drill and dremel.
If you mod the belt to attach with a ratchet your life will improve greatly, here's my overview of that and you can also see the belts kinda. Hope it helps!
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I run ELS/QLS and I LOVE IT.
My wife and I share a pistol for matches and it's great being able to pop the gun/holster combo right off one belt and on to the other. no fuss no muss.
It's very common, which means if your pistol goes down and there's a friend or just friendly person in your squad with ELS/QLS, you can swap their mag pouches and holster/gun onto your belt in a matter of seconds for a backup.Also, ELS affords you the ability to swap gear all around to be "mission specific" for particular situations.
Since you may not always be using a handgun with your belt, you can also adapt other stuff with QLS to make use of that spot on your belt. I have a 8 shell caddy on a QLS (not ELS) clip so that if I'm doing a shotgun only stage/event I don't lose that spot on my belt.
Highly recommended.
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12 hours ago, Ray Ray said:@Pew Pew Plates, post those pictures dude!
Ask and ye' shall receive!
It was a great time Sunday. It was all of our first time to the show and spent basically the whole day in the Firearm hall. Bumped into some ol' friends, made new friends, it was great.
I'm not sure what pics you're lookin for Ray but these are all I got!
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Mike @ Tier One Defense in Union will do it while you wait with an appointment, I believe.
Not right around the corner, but not super crazy far.
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https://www.easterninsurance.com/insurance-quotes/personal-insurance/historic-firearms
I use these guys, as an NRA member I pay I think $123/year plus or minus a few bucks.
That gets you an unscheduled policy up to $30 or $40k (i forget) with a max single item payout of $3k
Covers your guns in and out of the home from theft, fire, water etc so if your car is broken into and guns stolen, you're good.
I do not have a claim experience with them (thankfully)
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19 minutes ago, Purple Patrick said:So who is coming to say hi to me?
Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
The team and I are coming Sunday to say hi!
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2 hours ago, tattooo said:Here we go.....guess you missed the " get off his nuts " post....lol
Yeah, and apparently its very important to him that I put the gun down not once but twice with it "loaded"
Meanwhile, I watched the video (again) and still can't find that second time...
Maybe I was too fast for him to keep up at 0:11 when I snapped it out of the gun and caught it in my hand?
At the end of the day though, he just keeps bumping the post for me. Thank you!
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11 hours ago, glockncolts said:Twice and with the safety off.
Thank you for the thoughtful contribution, however it was once if you're counting.
At no point were the range or NRA safety rules violated. The firearm was treated as loaded. The firearm was not pointed anywhere unsafe. I was aware of it's condition the entire time, and it remained in my control. Putting a loaded handgun on a table pointing down-range is not unsafe... Now, if I was giving it to people, or walking away from it, it would be a different story.
Jeez!
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56 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:Yeah but you know the old saying about Murphy and his laws. I just can't justify ANOTHER 12 gauge and one over a grand at that.
It would be a really precise and improbable bump to do that.
A similarly precise and improbable bump can also flip your safety on/off, should we avoid all shotguns with safeties too? You know the old saying about Murphy and his laws...lol
At the end of the day though, I can understand the idea of "less room for error the better" thought process if that's your approach
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The 1301 is an animal of a shotgun.
Compared to inertia driven guns, I find it softer shooting. That coupled with the fact that it has the "blink" gas system, 0.14 second splits is easy to obtain and you won't outrun the gun.
It's a little more maintenance, at the 10k round mark you should replace your hammer struts as they are a weak point
It never fails me though, and boy does it run (mine is the comp, not tactical)
PS it seems they downgraded the shell catch to eliminate the feature where a precise bump would release shells. Be aware that the 2 piece shell catch that allowed this, is awesome. It makes the gun much faster to load and also makes tube unloading a breeze.- 2
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1 hour ago, Ray Ray said:How can I not have something I already have? Are they gonna knock on my door and confiscate them? What I have is mine, and I'm not surrending them.
I was talking specifically about it being a good trunk gun here in NJ, I agree with you're quoted point but I wouldn't be warm and fuzzy driving around (and parking) daily with a prohibited firearm but everyone has different levels of risk they are willing to accept which makes this all very, very subjective.
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18 minutes ago, Zeke said:Ya but, but if... cmon guy. You’re industry. You should be like “ we fighting this shit, bitches tell you all puke! Ya I’m hard! Hard and strong!”
jus sayen
hey, I’m not running out of the state! I’m standing strong here. More so peeling back the layers of a potential niche than spreading doom and gloom with my above thoughts.
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3 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:Is it useful? Sure, but I'd rather have a 14.5 inch AR with a fixed stock and BCM muzzle device than this piece of crap.
It will shoot like shit, keyhole at 50 yards which means the bullet is bleeding energy like a Honda towing an anchor and has no use other than to show your friends how cool you are.
Get a quality AR and skip the gimmick.
But if S548 becomes law you can't have the 14.5 with a BCM muzzle device as comps will be illegal. you'll have a bare muzzle and no pistol grip. I think i'd rather have a 50 yard "firearm" that I can load far faster than a shotgun and have at the least, equal "accuracy".
If murphy didn't exist I'd argue the point less
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It does fit a niche for us though.
Currently, as a firearm, it does not seem to fit the NJ definitions of an assault rifle so is legal as is. That gets us the adjustable stock and threaded muzzle/any device we want on the muzzle short of a can. This is an improvement.
Furthermore when S548 becomes law, you could still have this firearm. Meanwhile, semi-auto AR rifles will be basically illegal since you cant even have a pistol grip.
I am not a lawyer, this is just my thought.
How's this help?
Trunk gun! For self defense, if you're taking shots at 100 yards, it's not really defense....unless you're an operator or something.... 4moa at 50 yards is 2", I think that's sufficient. I bet none of you can shoot a 2" group offhand with a service pistol at 50 yards!
For a trunk gun in NJ it must be unloaded. This will load far faster than a shotgun. Handguns you can't drive around with. I think the niche is here in NJ if it is indeed legal and stays that way
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8 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:Things I'm not used to
Glenn shooting competition
Glenn shooting ARs
Glenn shooting SA/DA
HAHA
So much has changed! I still don't trust the AR platform, but it does make a really awesome 3-gun rifle. It's practically the only way to go if you want to be competitive. SA/DA? Nope, I'm still stubborn, this one is SAO
Louu, video cred to the wifey!
OGG; thank you for the kind words, they motivate me! Now I just gotta work on hand speed to get under 2.0 and still hit stuff
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I threw a video together last night that may be helpful to newcomers in the sport. It's how I practice my empty pistol table starts for competition. Let me know if you find it helpful or otherwise, please!
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After seeing lots of questions relating to ratcheting competition belt systems, I made this quick and dirty video to outline my mods to the ELS belt which make it MUCH more user friendly. Hope it helps!
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My 3-gun build is an 18" with a rifle length buffer/stock, 15" handguard.
With it's medium contour barrel it weighs in at 6.75lbs with optic and empty magazine
I consider it light, but I could shave off a half pound by going to white oaks new barrel and i could lose another half pound on the stock pretty easy. Titanium gas block, light bcg, lightest receiver possible, titanium takedown pins, selector, pistol grip screw etc give you a solid "light" foundation.
I'm pretty sure I've already posted this photo a few times but here's it again for reference.
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Well, NJ defines "assault rifles" "assault shotguns" and "assault pistols"
"A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:..."
Well, it's not a rifle, so that doesn't matter anymore right?
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I have never had to use the Vortex warranty, but I have heard great things about it.
Sorry to hear that the product needs return. If you have any issues with the return, please let me know as I am a Vortex brand ambassador. I want to make sure you guys are getting the service you need.
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New range in Union?
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With all due respect, he was not wrong, it's on your facebook page