joshroz2
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The reason they get a larger discount is extremely simple. It has nothing to do with profit margins or liability.
When you work in a profession you are charged a professional rate not a retail rate or discounted retail rate.
For cops self defense is a large part of their profession and their job heavily involves firearms and accessories, as well as training.
EMS get a discount simply because they are serving our public which is great, but it doesn't hold as much weight as someone who needs the product in their every day job.
For Example: If you work at a gun store or you work for a training company in the firearms industry you do not pay anywhere near retail rates.
Anything that you want to buy personally, that can be used for your job, you can buy directly from the manufacturer at profession rates.
These rates usually start at wholesale and are sometimes up to 35% off wholesale.
So there are three price groups:
Customers pay retail
Company pays wholesale
employees of companies and people working in the industry pay professional rates at wholesale or below.
In this case there is no manufacturer to buy directly from and there in no wholesale or suggested retail, so its harder to quantify.
It is a professional courtesy to extend a greater discount and often a wholesale or below wholesale rate to someone who uses your product in the course of their job.
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The cops are getting a pro-deal and the ems are getting a discount. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Cops might be able to get a discount on ems supplies but the ems get a much better pro-deal rate because that is their profession.
Look at range time discounts as well as firearm discounts as a pro-deal for the cops.
Also on the topic of the waiver just note that you can never ever ever waive negligence and the basis of a suit in this case should be negligence. Even if they write in the contract that you waive their negligence and you sign it, it doesn't mean anything because you can't waive negligence.
As far as rifles in the 25 yard indoor range, I don't see anything wrong with that either. 25 yards is a normal starting sight-in distance. Also it might be your only place to practice off hand even if it's just for form. Davis in Goshen doesn't allow you to fire rifle standing.
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That sort of makes sense but a .50 cal muzzleloader will travel as far as .223 easy and depending on what angle its pointed will also go very far.
what makes the least sense is hunting squirrels and other small game with a muzzleloader is OK. Apparently muzzleloaders also have to be bigger than .44 so that's like hitting a dear with a cannon ball.
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So when they say "No persons under 18 years old may hunt with centerfire or rimfire rifles" they are talking about .22 centerfire or another smaller caliber centerfire(they mentioned something about other calibers on a page 51 that i couldn't find)... that's disappointing.
Thanks for the source though, that sort of clears it up. I wish they could define it clearly like no centerfire rifles allowed, instead it seems like they pretend real rifles don't exist.
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Could you point me to a source?
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Anybody keen on the rules for hunting with centerfire rifles in NJ? I'm really only interested in deer and I'm aware of the other rules(bag limits etc.). From the stuff I've read so far all I can gather is that only adults can use centerfire rifles to hunt, are there any other restrictions on centerfire?(.308 or .233 semi-auto and bolt guns are what I'd hunt with.)
Any recommendations or suggestions on centerfire hunting and where to hunt are appreciated.
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Your the winner. :clap:
Except I need the reasons they claim. Not the real reasons.
So no steak dinner sorry.
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Yeah that is true that the m1 carbine has a stock form with no evil features. But it also has a stock form with two(pistol grip and folding stock). They might have figured since one of the stock forms is an AW they could get away with it.
Does anyone know exactly how the list was chosen and what makes a named AW? <--steak dinner for whoever figures that out exactly
I think if prodded The AG would have to give reasons on why those guns are on the list. Reason being that Colt for instance could probably bring about some type civil action if they ban their products without reason.
Similar to if NJ banned Coke but not Pepsi because it causes obesity.
I also think the reasons would be something along the lines of: They have characteristics of AW's
These characteristics are defined by NJ the feds and many other states in similar but slightly different ways
everyone knows the typical list.
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I'm kind of an m-14 enthusiast and I already have an M1A. I also have tons of Usgi, Chinese(M14S), and Springfield parts. Enough for a few guns. I have other receivers as well. I keep two working guns at a time usually. Lets just hypothetically say I possessed a M14S receiver in my collection(which are some of the best receivers you can buy even though they are Chinese).
What I'm trying to do is find the contradictions in the statutes and use them to prove that the only way you can classify the M14S as an assault weapon is if it has two evil feature.(which might not be possible to prove)
The reasons I'd want an M14S legal:
1.The receivers are forged (instead of Springfield cast) and legal forged receivers go for up to $1000 each without any parts.
2.M1A's cost and stock Chinese M14S's are usually $500 less minimum
3.These are my rights they are limiting so I'd like to poke as many holes in the laws as i can
4.Because it just should be legal and it really bugs me that two identical things are classified differently mostly because the deciding agency's don't know which way is up
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I think your right. The bullshit of NJ is that we have so many laws that aren't clearly defined allowing cops free range and forcing you to fight in court to clarify.
and I'm sorry about the wordyness but without back story and definitions the answer seems to be an obvious no and I don't feel it is obvious.
I'd actually kind of like to take it to court. To me it'd be well worth the money and time.
I'm just worried something touchy like that could backfire. The last thing i want to do is get M1A's re banned which seems to be a real possibility.
Should i avoid this argument or do you think I'm justified? Also feel free to poke holes in my theory so i can see the weak spots.
If this isn't the forum for this type of thing then let me know and I apologize in advance; But i was under the impression that it was.
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After 60 views no one has an opinion?
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So the M14S as we all know is listed as one of the assault weapons banned by name.
Most people also know that the M1A has been deemed in court to be not substantially identical to the M14S and therefore legal in NJ.
Where i start to get confused is the fact that the M14S and the M1A have identical receivers.
An AG statement also provided that the colt match target rifle was not substantially identical to the Colt AR-15. However it was stated that differences in the receiver was the deciding factor.
Also an AG statement defines what an assault weapon is in this statement:
The term "substantial" means pertaining to the substance, matter, material or essence of a thing. The term "identical" means exactly the same. Hence, a firearm is substantially identical to another only if it is identical in all material, essential respects. A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences which do not alter the essential nature of the firearm.
The following are examples of manufacturer changes that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm: name or designation of the firearm; the color of the firearm; the material used to make the barrel or stock of the firearm; the material used to make a pistol grip; a modification of a pistol grip. This is not an exclusive list. \
The only reason i can see for putting the M14S on the list would be that in stock form it has at least 2 of the named evil features.
This would also be the reason why the M1A is no longer considered an assault weapon.(it has less than two of the evil features in stock form)
Since the AG states the name can't have anything to do with its classification as substantially identical; If the two rifles posses the same parts with no evil features no matter what the name they must be classified the same.
However they aren't classified the same as we can clearly see. The only other option I could see would be that an M14S gun without the two evil features might no longer be considered an M14S for the purposes of the list.(which does'nt seem possible)
If this isn't the case then I can only come to two conclusions. Either the M14S cannot be considered an assault weapon without the two features and should be taken off the list. OR The M1A should be classified as an assault weapon again.
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I don't see how you can say the EMS and Fire are being treated like second class citizens. They are getting a discount. The average Joe is being treated like a second class citizen because he pays the full rate. If self defense through firearms didn't happen to be part of the cops job they would pay the same rate as EMS and Fire. My mom has been a volunteer with the Minute Men for years and she has no problem with the cops paying less.