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36 minutes ago, DAHL said:When all is said and done I believe that this unconstitutional law will end up being heard by the 3rd circuit court of appeals. At that point I believe that the court will rule in our favor but if it goes the other way the Bolshevics win. Meanwhile I remain cautiously optimistic.
Of course it will end up at the 3rd circuit. It's just a matter of when.
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46 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:I am concerned though - If NJ manages to weasel a TRO stay out of the 3rd circuit, and then jurisdiction gets transferred to the 3rd circuit, we'll all be back to "no carry anywhere, including your car" for months.
I have a feeling that's where things are headed. Hope I'm wrong.
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1 hour ago, MB24 said:On mine the side with the picture has "Employee of armored car company" but it is not checked. Doesn't mention anything about restrictions and doesn't list guns I qualified with. Just the armored car thing, picture, my signature and "this card may be laminated". Does that mean I can carry anything I own??
Mine is exactly the same. From Raritan Township. I assume we’re clear to carry any handgun we own.
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On 2/20/2023 at 6:26 PM, Bzerk said:Pike County was a breeze. Google their County website , go to licenses .
Holy cow, you weren't kidding. Less than 36 hours after emailing my application, I received a reply asking me to call to schedule a time to pick up the permit. NJ took almost 4 months.
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3 minutes ago, [email protected] said:We don't yet know renewal process!
You check the "renewal" box at the top of SP642, and re-apply.
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22 minutes ago, [email protected] said:Almost 5 months waiting in Wayne. There is absolutely no reason today for this to be taking so long. They have all the technology to check people out etc. Hopefully the renewal process won't be like this!
Renewal? There's no "renewal" in the traditional sense. You simply re-apply. Full process, from step one. It's insane.
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1 minute ago, almach5 said:OK, here’s a follow up question for the group. I was told by somebody whom I trust, that the TRO is selectively enforced, or not enforced, depending on the municipality. Is it really the discretion of the municipal police department whether or not they are going to follow the law as written by Mr. Murphy vs. the instructions in the TRO? For example, the ability to carry in one’s own vehicle, versus removing any ammunition and magazines, and locking a firearm in the trunk and storing the ammunition in a separate locked container. Seeking an absolute here, not conjecture, as it might mean the difference between legal CCW versus a potential arrest for brandishing.
It SHOULD be an absolute, but NJ being NJ, you never know.
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15 minutes ago, YankeeSC said:FIFY
No, you didn't fix it. The state can make a suggestion, then the people decide for themselves. It's really the same thing, and perfectly fine.
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Just now, Moutinas said:President Obama had a similar Constitutional disconnect. Not sure if it's ignorance or worse. They may know then subtly lie to the low information public. The President famously said the Constitution gives citizens rights. We all know that is not true. Our God given rights predate the USA, the founding documents and all the Amendments protect these rights. It's a fine point but makes a huge difference. When the powers gives you something, they can take it away which would be any tyrant's preference.
Yep. That's why I have that link in my signature. It's a great article that explains rights quite clearly.
https://www.backwoodshome.com/we-dont-need-no-steenking-2nd-amendment/
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Just now, Displaced Texan said:I thought I remembered Judge Bumb saying something to Cai about that in the hearing…
Yeah, it was something like the state should say "may post a sign" as opposed to "should post a sign". No surprise the state's way of thinking is to just tell people what to do, as opposed to making a suggestion. This *is* NJ, ya know.
3 minutes ago, YankeeSC said:There should be harsh criminal and civil liability on property owners for any firearm related death or injury that occurs in a "gun free" zone. If a property owner is going to enforce that, the owner then has a duty to protect.
We "should" also have constitutional carry, but oh well.
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Just now, Displaced Texan said:Is it legal for Murphy to ‘encourage’ businesses to post NO GUNS signs?
Does it actually matter if it isn't? Is someone gonna file a lawsuit?
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1 minute ago, gunforhire said:You all know we have court Thursday to remove all that extra illegal requirements?
Oh? If relief is granted, which parts of the permitting process remain?
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12 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said:Still, $200 is fucking nuts to exercise a constitutional right..
Yes, same with references.
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15 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:I feel very confident that this bill is navigating within the boundaries of constitutional guidelines and decisions. I am 100,000% confident this bill is constitutionally defendable.
15 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:- Joe Danielsen 11/21/2022
His statement aged like the finest milk.
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32 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:i think you meant to say "if they place biden in office again".
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15 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:If Biden should be re-elected, nothing matters anymore! America will be gone forever! It's now or never for us all!
Sadly, at this point, I think it's pretty much guaranteed. Does anyone actually believe he received 80+ million votes in 2020?
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1 hour ago, Walkinguf61 said:That plan is now moot. They can’t expand the court without control of the House and the senate .
The great news is that they went full retard on their new laws and flat out said it was In reaction to Bruen. There now will be case law against any future attempts to do when attempt to pass a scaled down version.Fair enough, regarding expansion of the court. But they control the Senate, and assuming Biden is re-elected, there will likely be opportunities for Supreme Court nominations. That's 100% a Senate thing. As for "case law against any future attempts......", the Supreme Court has reversed itself many, many times, and this is an extremely contentious issue. Hopefully I'm wrong. Time will tell.
https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/decisions-overruled/
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58 minutes ago, ESB said:Good point. And may be on purpose in order to lay the grounds for Biden to expand the SCOTUS (as he implied he might during his election campaign) so he can appoint a liberal majority.
Yes, I assume that is the Dem's long game. Expand the court during Biden's 2nd term (or earlier, if possible), and ensure the court takes a case that reverses Bruen, as quickly as possible.
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1 minute ago, Displaced Texan said:I’m confident it will be shot down in a court challenge. That being said, you have to do YOUR part and contribute to the cause.
Don’t be the guy who rides on someone else’s coattails, be part of the solution.
Of course. Been doing my part for years. Will continue to do so even after my wife and I move out of this god-forsaken hellhole (as it pertains to 2A).
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1 minute ago, RadioGunner said:Probably won't. We had Drake in those intervening years which was denied by the Supreme court. Then we got Trump and got enough judges to fix the problem.
*Fingers crossed*
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14 minutes ago, RadioGunner said:Murphy will sign, then the lawsuits fly.
Yep, and hopefully it won't take 15 years. There were 15 years between Heller and Bruen.
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4 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:Because Thomas already gave you ALL the tools you need with the Bruen decision.
He sure did, and the 2nd circuit ignored those tools and swatted down the TRO that would have stopped NY's flaming pile of poo law from going into effect until it was settled in the courts. So again, I fail to see how this is good for anyone. Seems like a disaster to me, but maybe I'm misreading the whole thing.
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3 hours ago, Walkinguf61 said:The 2nd circuit just took off the TRO on the NY law depending the case and appeal. This is actually good for NJ.
The NY will be going to the 2nd circuit and then SCOTUS. It’s just a matter of time . And they all know they will be slapped down.
How do you figure it's good for NJ? The NJ bill will be passed, and if there's a TRO that gets removed by the 3rd circuit, I think that's terrible for us. Yes, it's "just a matter of time", but it took 15 years to get from Heller to Bruen.
Pennsylvania Non-resident Permit to Carry
in Current New Jersey Gun Laws Discussion
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Picked up my PA non-resident permit, today (Pike County). I was in and out in about 10 minutes. Very cool to have a taste of what things are like in a free state!