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  2. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    The permit judge for Middlesex county was indeed on vacation, till August 22, and is now in the middle of a trial. 

    If it goes beyond the 60 days and you have lawshield is there recourse? Can someone call and ask? I don't have lawshield yet. I fully intend on getting it but not sure if I need to have identity theft protection in order to use it for permitting issues. 

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    22 minutes ago, LineItem said:

    The PO was pretty nasty to me because he was forced by the chief to take my application after I emailed him stating that if he refused to take it, I would just go to the NJSP as an alternative. He already hasn't responded to any messages I've left him regarding the retaking of fingerprints and the confirmation from the NJSP. It has been at least 10 days with no response. They are used to being in a position where there is nothing you can do, and they are not liking this new era of pushback. That's the sense I get.

    It might be worth quietly recording interactions, as the PO denied that he refused to take my application and said he told me to 'come back sometime next week' which he certainly did not.

    Even telling you to come back sometime next week is ridiculous. This is all time sensitive stuff. My PD is usually really good with this stuff, but you never know if you're going to run into one of Murphy's lapdogs.

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    17 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    Spoke to David at Evan Nappen’s office. Very helpful! David confirmed that the Judge can put restrictions that you cannot drive in a car with a loaded weapon. He did however state that if this happens you should go to a lawyer to request to have this amended because there should not be a substantial difference in just a couple of weeks of what is restricted vs not.  I asked if I was still able to drive with a loaded gun since my permit did not have the restriction and he said “absolutely”.  I hope this helps.

    So when I'm standing next to my vehicle loading and unloading the cops are just going to watch me do it?

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    48 minutes ago, LineItem said:

    Just an update regarding Hoboken - application submitted 7/5 (after they first told me 'we aren't ready to accept any applications yet', sent an email to the chief per advice from this board and they immediately called me to come back and submit; thanks guys!)

    60 days is up on Saturday, and the only thing I heard so far was that my Identogo fingerprint check never went through to the NJSP. Identogo was no help, claiming it's 'not their problem'. I went and got re-fingerprinted, and a day later called the NJSP ID bureau and they confirmed that they received and updated my PD with an approval. They were very organized and pleasant, to my surprise.

    No letters, no communications other than that. Not sure what to do after this weekend comes and goes other than wait and see what happens. Has anyone called the courthouse to figure out status? I feel like Hudson county is simply going to sit on it and not do anything. The PO that took my application laughed me out of the room when I mentioned the Bruen decision - he said it's 'not gonna happen in Hudson county' and be prepared for disappointment. 

    We really should be recording these encounters and forward them to NJ2AS and everyone else with a social media presence. 

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    55 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

    not within ones dwelling.

    i feel like that even though the porch is considered part of ones dwelling, that here in nj, the homeowner would be going to prison for this. there was a door between you and him afterall, and the jury will be easily convinced that that was enough to keep you out of fear of your life.

    In NJ? Even Nappen teaches that you have a duty to retreat before firing. My bedroom is second floor opposite side of the house so if someone breaks in they're meeting God becuase I'm not jumping out a second story window. 

  18. Posted

    14 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    2C:58-4. Permits to carry handguns

    d. Issuance by Superior Court; fee. If the application has been approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent, as the case may be, the applicant shall forthwith present it to the Superior Court of the county in which the applicant resides, or to the Superior Court in any county where he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident or employee of an armored car company. The court shall issue the permit to the applicant if, but only if, it is satisfied that the applicant is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun in accordance with the provisions of subsection c. of this section. The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes the handguns may be carried. At the time of issuance, the applicant shall pay to the county clerk of the county where the permit was issued a permit fee of $20.

     

    In their words (USLS), section d. Of the statue (pasted above) is just as strong as section a. Of the same statute.

    section d. is allowing the court to set limitations at their discretion.

    If a judge limits your permit to specific guns, that is a court order and not abiding by that court order is a felony.

    This only applies to men. From now on I identify as an adult female. 

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  19. Posted

    3 hours ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    Heard back from US LawShield.

    The clarification I received is that section d. allows discretion of the courts to create limitations as they see fit, and as so 15 out of 21 counties are choosing to limit your permit to the specific gun you can carry. That is a court order and if your permit lists specific firearms or you received a separate order stating you can only carry guns you have qualified, and you choose to carry a gun not listed, you are now breaking a court order and committing a felony. 

    Sounds like this needs to be challenged. Did they give any insight to that?

  20. Posted

    16 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    Which is why I did not quote you. 

    My post was in response to what you said, but moreso directed at the stance I have commonly seen in the past few weeks across social media of people almost itching at the chance to use their gun in an active shooter scenario.

    This is new territory for 99% of us, and everyone is excited/anxious/etc...

    Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.

    And I'll sleep fine at night knowing my family made it out alive and escaped a horrific situation. I'd have trouble living with myself if my actions allowed them to get hurt in anyway. Their safety is my #1, #2, #3 and #4 concern. 

     

     

    I completely agree. 

  22. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    Don't mean to further derail original topic, but having the mindset of being morally obligated to be a vigilante is a very dangerous position to take... those with that approach should have gone the route of LEO, as opposed to civilian with a carry permit. (And as mentioned, even LEO are not obligated to protect you).

    Having a permit to carry is to protect yourself from life threatening situations involving yourself and your family. The permit does not imply you now have a duty to save others. If the stars align and you have the brief moment where your backstop is safe and you may be able to takedown an active shooter (i.e. indiana), this is the extreme exception.. not the rule. Pulling out your firearm with intention on firing it, should be the absolute last resort behind getting you and your family to safety.

    I hope the large majority of us do not walk around thinking we are going to save the day, or hunt down the active shooter in walmart. Protect yourself and don't try to be a hero unless you have no other choice.

    I didn't use the word vigilante. I used the word vigilant. As in, be vigilant of your surroundings. Which is exactly how it was used. I also didn't say you have a duty to do anything. I said in my opinion you have a moral obligation to neutralize a threat especially if it's in your immediate vacinity. I should have worded that better. If you can sleep at night knowing you could have saved some lives and didn't that's wonderful. All of this really doesn't matter anyway because most public spaces are going to be "gun free zones".

     

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  23. Posted

    3 hours ago, samiam said:

    Exactly The "Protect and Serve" slogan is PR at best, poor joke at worst. The mission of the police is to apprehend and arrest anyone who is breaking the law. Anything beyond that is incidental, or might possibly even run counter to the mission. No civilian is obligated, legally, or imo, morally, to physically protect anyone else, unless that obligation is voluntary and deliberate. 

    Why not morally? Y'all sound like you took a class at the Uvalde recruitment center. I'm not saying youre wrong, but I think anyone who is carrying a firearm has a moral obligation to be vigilant and save the lives of others in the event that such a situation should occur. At least within one's immediate vicinity.

  24. Posted

    8 hours ago, GRIZ said:

    What went down in Indiana went perfectly for the good guy.  What if one of his shots hit Mary Jones pushing her baby carriage?

     

    3 hours ago, CAL. .30 M1 said:

    I see @GRIZ already commented, but this is my thought as well, hence my question.

    The Police have no duty to protect you personally, and you have even less of a duty to do so, to protect others.

    This is a very serious question and I do not know the answer.  

    Part of me does not love my fellow man enough to get involved in something that does not directly affect me or my family....

    However, you should ask yourself what you would do and are willing to rosk as well as l war game all these scenarios in your mind.

    This is why anyone taking this seriously should be shooting as much as possible. I'm shooting twice a week and feel it isn't enough. If a guy walks into a food court trying to tag as many people as possible, obviously your own life is at danger. Unless you're planning on dodging random bullets matrix style? You can't just stand there like a moron while you think about if you're good enough to not hit Marysue. Regardless, you need to ask yourself if one life is worth the risk to save countless others. I don't know if I could live with myself afterwards, but I would have to try. If you're not willing to be the good guy with the gun, why bother with the permit at all?

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