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BTW - the superindendent sets the expiration date, between 2 and 6 years, with the fee prorated it it isn't a 60-month term. IT also does not repeal OGaM for HPP holders. The exclusion in the "new" section says that "except for OGaM" there no limitations on the number of firearms purchased Now PDF now refers to CLEO, not CoP. Would almost certainly require the HPP to be laminated by the issuing authority. OTOH, the photgraphy is to be done "at a time and place" of the superindendent's discretion. Looks like it's a half-step down the road of eliminating purchase permits, which are fairly clearly unconstitutional, with a 5-year ID card which may or may not be ruled unconstitutional when the case hits SCOTUS. It is a loosening of the process, nothing more, but nothing less, either. Who benefits if it passes in substantially similar form? FFLs who sell handguns. Handgun purchasers who live in a town with an anti-gun CLEO. Rep Madden (iffy). Gov Christie if he signs. The NJSP from a paperwork angle. The state from a financial angle. Who loses: anyone who wants no permits after a SCOTUS challenge IFF the SCOTUS rules on one but not the other. They might decide that NICS at Point of Sale is enough and anything more is an infringement; but more likely they'll move incrementally. Overall, long-term neutral, short-term positive. In the metagame - extremely positive - this is a rearguard action by the enemies of freedom.

Judge can limit you to what he likes as far as time, place, and specific weapon. FID functionally is a carry license for an UNLOADED longarm.

Have to see if we can get permits with multiple guns on them. Not a big deal for me; I only own 1 handgun.

A permit doesn't lessen them, it eliminates them. That's kind of cool. Even if the process to get one isn't.

Well, the law as proposed doesn't add any travel restrictions. As the firearms law stands now, if you have a permit, you can possess anywhere save the grounds of an educational institution; and this law doesn't change that. Nice list of things to go after next

I'll get mine just to avoid be Aitken'd on my way to/from the range

Needs to remove *any* judges' discretion. And the portion of the fees that go to the general fund probably won't survive a court challenge, but $100 per year is not an impossible amount. Last I checked, most of the NRA classes counted as approved safety classes. If the use-of-force classes are as common, and you only have to do one, no problem. Likewise, as long as the qualification course is no harder than the current retired cop one, no problem; though semi-annual qualification is annoying. Shouldn't have to be so rapid; since firearm skills don't degrade is anything like that timeframe. Cops do it that often for legal/insurance reasons. Better would be to leave the every 2 years, or even bump to every 5. But, as far as I can tell, the renewal consists of sending your qualification chit and your check in, right?

As far as I can tell, buying a BB gun or a black powder rifle in NJ, you have to do the CoE but not the 4473 (the BATFE doesn't care, but the SP do). Out of state, there are no laws making you follow your home state laws WRT Black Powder or BB guns, as they are not considered firearms federally. (There *is* such a law for firearms, so you ahve to do the CoE to buy a "real" firearm out of state).

Sorry - can't make it tonight.

NJ law does not require retreat from the home. Use of deadly force is limited, however. The places to look at 2C3-4, 3-5. 3-6 and 3-9.

Legal to possess in the home, or under the same conditions as a handgun (per the state law; as noted in the link to the NJSP opinion page). There's no laws concerning what can and can't be used in a home defense situation, only the conditions under which you are permitted to use force. Look it up youself to be sure, but either "reasonably in fear of life" or "called upon intruder to surrender/disarm". NJ has a (weak) castle doctrine, there is no duty to retreat before using force in the home. The laws on USE of hollow-points is that it's an add-on charge when used in a crime. So, if you use them unlawfully in a home invasion scenario, you get a larger book thrown at you. Not charged or convicted of a crime, the use of hollow-points is not a crime. IANAL, particularly not a firearms lawyer.

Hang from the overhead rafters, actually. Or I suppose you could have a stand-up target, but everyone there was using a hanging carrier. Rafter run parallel to the firing line, and 7 foot or so high

I have "build a target carrier for that range" on my to-do list. Length is approx 50 yds, and no target runners. The one time I was there one the line, the range went cold because the RSO looked over at us BS'ing and yelled "any of you still shooting? No? RANGE COLD! Go get your targets." There were maybe half-a-dozen of us there, though the day was ridiculously hot and humid. Show photo ID and FID, pay your $6, sign a waiver, get a port. Wednesday nights there's a bullseye league there.

Union Co Police open their range in Springfield to the public Sunday afternoons; search for Suburban Pistol League NJ for details. It's outdoor and not open year round, though. $6 for an hour, and it hasn't been grouded when I've gone by.

Note, incidentally, that possession of a valid FID permits unrestricted possession of an UNloaded longarm except on the grounds of an educational institution. The "cased and locked" requirements are for transporting under the "no license" clauses. IANAL, though.

Wonder if that's cause or effect for both Brick Armory and Shore Shot to fetch up in Lakewood?

My guess would be "with sufficient force to injure a person". Technically, a Nerf gun can injure as well; but neither one is going to cause actual injury unless it hits an eye. Incidentally, the elecrtic drive airsoft are probably OK anyway not being spring guns or air guns. And Dick's doesn't sell gas-powered airsoft, only spring and electric. Since Harry's surplus kept the airsoft under their roof when they spun off their ffl; I would suspect they're not (currently) considered firearms.

@Cemetery - no, but those EXACT WORDS were used in the denial in Westchester County that SAF and Alan Gura are making a federal case of. *That's* going to be interesting; and more useful to NJ.

That was his appeal - the denial was sustained by the court because he didn't have "a need for self defense distinguishable from the general public".

OTOH, I got a nice deal on a cheap .22lr bolter; and the price on the Glock I got there wasn't bad either. And at least for the 9x19 I've bought the price has been competitive

I would love to hang cardboard. I almost always bring targets printed on 8.5"x11" and right now I'm using shoot-n-see dots to "pin" them to a paper backing. I've lost a couple of targets that way and it's a royal pain to get the primary target to lie flat

One of these days I'll put this reference someplace I can cut and paste it more easily... 2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of firearms, section c Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2)Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. e.Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions. (1)Any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any school, college, university or other educational institution, without the written authorization of the governing officer of the institution, is guilty of a crime of the third degree, irrespective of whether he possesses a valid permit to carry the firearm or a valid firearms purchaser identification card. As far as I can tell this allows someone with a FID to knowingly possess an unloaded rifle or shotgun without having to comply with 2C:39-6 (f) or (g); as long as they stay off the grounds of an educational institution. 2C:39 ©(1) is idential in wording to 2C:39(b) which forbids the possession of a handgun without a permit to carry same. All material copied from the NJ legislature site - I go to http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_ag2.html and follow the relevant link because it's a pain in the ass to link directly.

Strictly speaking - wouldn't really help; since the FID doesn't do anything WRT handguns. Scott Bach claimed in an article I read that someone had been nailed for illegal transfer for letting someone else handle a handgun in his home, since temporary transfers are only legal at a range...

The light-bulb thing is relatively new, too. OTOH, it seems to be warranted. Me, I wish they'd paint some ranging lines. I shoot some e-postal matches and have a hard time judging the 7 yards/25 ft that most of the ones I shoot call for.

I've considered it; but a G17L is really rather incovenient to carry and I don't own any kind of holster right now. I lock and bolt the doors and look through the peep before opening doors. Plus, the town I'm in is rather quiet, the most excitement the cops get is having a warrant pop up on Sumdood when he drives down US-22 over the limit. If I ever invited Elsie Pea (say) to take up residence, things might be different. Or if the police blotter gets more exciting, too. But right now I own firearms because golf takes up too much time.