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Per that State Police FAQ (and the law itself), possession hollow points are subject to the same restrictions as possession of a handgun without a carry permit. So don't make "unreasonable" diversions between home, work, and the range.

The advice I got when I asked this question of several people was "homer bucket of sand" (I was looking for a safe direction for a second-floor garden apt); or even a 55-gallon drum of same if you can manage it - as noted, that's what they use for "clearing barrels" most places I don't like futzing with a loaded gun anyplace but the range, myself; consequently my HD guns are stored with the magazine next to them. I'll take the extra couple of seconds to slap and rack over chancing an ND. If we could carry, my answer would be different, but I would then follow the advice I've heard from people in other states and just treat the holster+gun as a unit anyplace I don't have a clearing barrel. Leaving the mag out also guarantees I won't f up and leave a loaded magazine in when I'm transporting to the range.

2C:39-5 c.Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2)Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. ______________________ c(1) is identical in wording to the handgun carry permit reg (2C:39-5 b), with the difference of FID instead of "permit to carry [a handgun]" Just for the sake of completeness, 2C:39-5 e then goes and restricts possession of "Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions." and does so pretty comprehensively. 2C:39-6 outlines the exemptions to the flat bans of 2C:39-5, incidentally; the part we care about there is subsection f. All information drawn from http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_ag2.html which is about the quickest way to find the relevant section. That having been said, I would trust that section about as far as 2C:58-3 f guarantees "the licensing authority who shall investigate the same and, unless good cause for the denial thereof appears, shall grant the permit or the identification card, or both, if application has been made therefor, within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application for residents of this State and within 45 days for nonresident applicants" (IE - that permits/cards shall be issued within 30 days). Because, as you know, the law means what the courts say it does, not what was written down... Also, as far as I know, the term "loaded" is not defined anywhere in NJ statute law; and I have no way of checking case law.

Dude, even with a Barret, I ain't hitting a target in NJ from GA...

Count me out - I am A Travelling Man.

That's why I specified a SUB2K. At 16" x 7" folded (per their website) it would be possible to carry around; requiring unfolding and inserting a magazine to bring into play. Any non-short-barrel shotgun is going to be much less portable. Other amusing monkeywrenches of the law would include an air gun with a projectile of larger than 3/8" (the law specified that an airgun has to have a projectile smaller than 3/8" to be considered a firearm), a pump-action weapon with a folding stock, or a pump-action weapon with a magazine larger than 15 rounds (6 for shotgun). All of these are technically not covered by the various laws. But I would expect to be arressted, maybe tried, and possibly convicted if I actually tried to carry any of those about my person in public; at least until the 2A is incorproated Nd the "bear" part of the 2A is ruled as allowing carry. In NJ the law does not distiguish between open and concealed carry; both are illegal unless permitted by law. While there *is* a clause permitting someone to carry an unloaded longarm after obtaining a FID, I don't seriously believe it would be a good idea to do so arbitrarily, just that you will get a little more tolerance at the margins of transport under the legal exemptions for possession.

I wasn't (seriously) planning on wandering around with an unloaded SUB2K in a backpack (though I may have joked about it once or twice). But it would appear that stopping off in the drive through for a big mac on the way home might be safe...

The section of the law that allows a hangun permit carrier to possess a handgun is almost word-for-word repeated allowing a FID carrier to possess a longarm; though an additional clause restricts that to unloaded longarms "Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime..." "Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime... Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime..."

The exemptions for possessing hollw-point ammo are essentially those for possessing a handgun http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: 1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; 2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; 3.A person going directly to a target range, and; 4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

"without any explainable lawful purpose" is the interesting bit there. I've been a renrat for a number of years, and knives like that were openly sold at the old New Jersey Renfaire in Somerset. I own a couple of cheap "decorative" pieces larger and spikier than that (which, admittedly, I don't carry on my person outside of the house). I've *walked by* cops with a big old knife hanging from my belt on my way into that faire; one that I would certainly consider to be a "dagger" and was labeled as such when I bought it. Follow the 11th commandment ("Don't get caught") and the 12th ("don't be stupid") and you should be OK. IANAL, however. But it wouldn't appear to be flat-out illegal in NJ to own.

Last time I was "in limbo" I called at the 30-day mark and asked if they needed anything from me or my references. I was told the paperwork was with the county. (FWIW I believed them - the local PD doesn't seem to be particularly anti-firearms)

G17L. Of the selection of handguns I got to fire while taking my basic pistol class that one was runner-up by a hair to the Kimber; and oddly enough available at the time my permit came up.

Know that feeling. I ended up with the Glock, though, because I could get 2 of them and some change for the Kimber I was lusting after...

I will have to say - druther be behind the .357 than in the lane next to it Thanks to RayRay for letting me add that and .38 to "calibers I've shot".

One thing - I've seen it advised that in photos of a firearm, the serial # should be obfuscated; so as to avoid having it used for malicious purposes. black it out or photoshop it. (Do NOT obfuscate it on the firearms itself - you should know this already ) One of these days I'll pick up a G17 airsoft (or a G18 airsoft, haven't decided. depends if I can keep the G18 in singleshot).

They're technically illegal generally, but permitted to possess under the same exemptions as possessing a handgun. The only difference between hollowpoints and handguns is that you can theoretically get a permit to carry a handgun... http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html - which ends with the funniest thing I've yet seen on NJ Firearms law "The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'"

I'm looking likely and may bring along a coworker. What are the limitations for centerfire rifles @ BH?

I had to skip due to the weather; hope everything's OK

2C:39-6e allows one to possess any firearm in their home. The owner need not be present. But the owner and the possessor can be nailed for illegal transfer; which Scott Bach claims has happened... (Thanks for the post of that article, BTW. I had read it and forgotten where. Though I must say someone had to have it in for that judge for that to have happened; and I'd love a more direct cite of the incident).

Doesn't the law require longguns to be cased while in the car? Only if you are transporting under the "no permit" scenario (and then, I think, only if you don't have it in a locked compartment such as the trunk). All that said, I play it safe and lock everything I can up and usually take the car with the trunk. There's legal, and there's "not getting to eat asphalt and having to pay a lawyer the big bucks".

That's what the (statute) law says. The wording for possession of a longarm with a FID is practically word-for-word the same as possession of a handgun with permit to carry. They both start out with "it is unlawful to possess {x} without {the proper paperwork}." Note that the FID allows you to possess an UNLOADED rifle or shotgun; a loaded one is subject to the normal limitations. 2C:39-5, a, b, and c 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons. a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the second degree. b.Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree. c.Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2)Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. _____________________________________ Consult a lawyer (I am not one) to see how this has been "interpreted" by the courts; I suspect they have substantially limited this...

Law can't require you carry the purchase permit with you as you may have purchased out of state prior to moving to NJ - thus, no PP. (Possibly also happens with inheritance; ISTR there's no requirement that you actually GET a PP to inherit, only that you be legally able to do so). By statute law there is no paperwork requirement as long as you are in compliance with the transport regs (at home, fixed place of work, range, gunsmith, hunting, or in transit between with no unreasonable diversions). A FID allows you to be in possession of a longarm pretty much anyplace that isn't an education institution; a permit to carry (hah) allows you to be in possession of a handgun anyplace that isn't an educational institution. (There's some other exceptions having to do with being law enforcement, etc). I have no idea how the NJ courts have "interpreted" this requirement. That having been said, the transfer of possession necessary to allow you to borrow the handgun is illegal unless the owner is with you - so once the owner leaves the room you are both in violation of the transfer regs. (This is probably why people carry their PP, so as to be able to prove that the handgun is legitimately owned by them and they are not in violation of the transfer laws).

BH sells paper with the Q on one side and a "thug" with revolver on the other. I've seen both male and female thugs. Me, I paper them over either with Shoot-n-see, Dirty Bird, or whatever e-postal targets I brought with me. Tuesday is still a definite maybe for me; if I do show I'll be bringing my long-barrel Glock in 9 and my .22 rifle.

I'm going to be a no-show; car troubles

I'm a definite maybe. Depends on what blows up at work, etc