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Interesting answers so far. Here's the problem I am having. It shouldn't be based on quantity because who's to say how many of anything you can have in a collection, baseball cards to cars. Primary source of income is better. It allows you to make a profit, but only if you have a better source of income. What if you're retired and it's you're only source of income? What if you're unemployed? Or, on the other side, a bad businessman might have no income, that doesn't make him a collector. Selling at a profit seems logical, but that's exactly how many collectors expand their collection. Sell a couple of pieces at a profit and use the income to improve another part of your collection. Or, buy entire collections and sell off the one's you don't want with the primary intent to improve your collection and hopefully come out ahead. Intent to keep it, not sell it doesn't seem to work all the time either for same reason. Sometimes you have to sell in order to buy. Or, to Maks' point, a collector may only choose to keep it or sell it after shooting it. All good answers, but I am still flummoxed. Is there an answer that works?

It is only a legal question if there is a legal definition. I am unaware of one. I am curious if one exists and if not, does anyone have an opinion on where the line should be drawn?

I am wondering where the line is drawn, or where you think it should be drawn between collecting firearms and operating a firearms business. At what point do you think that a person is no longer collecting and is actually engaged in operating a business? Summary of responses: If you exceed a certain quantity. If it is your main source of income. If it is a full time job. If you do not intend to keep, but sell at a profit.

+1 on the model 41. It might be tough to find one in that price range. But, you might be able to pick up a model 46. Same exact gun made specifically for police and military pistol teams. Only difference that I can tell is plastic grips instead of wood.

Have you had a conversation with the Police Chief yet? If anyone has a copy of one of the reference letters that are sent out, please post it. I would like to take a look at it. Since no additional forms are allowed by law, I wonder if anyone has ever challenged the reference letter.

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Really? Thats funny. I got a letter from an anti-second amendment politician. The letter stated that "he was glad I voiced my interest in firearms blah blah blah", and how states with "shall carry" are actually more dangerous, and provided "statistics" to "prove" it. I think what singh073 is saying is that, in addition to being mailed to your legislators, and whoever else is designated (the Governor is copied if I remember correctly), the entire list is emailed monthly to the known pro-gun legislators so that they can use it to show how much support the bill has. To Parker's point about receiving emails from Change.org, yes, I received an email a couple of days after signing. It had an "unsubscribe" option, which I chose, and I haven't received any other emails. To Parker's other point about it being better to write a letter directly, why not do both? After receiving over 1000 signatures, Michael Patrick Carroll (MPC) sent a broadcast email to all of the email addresses that he received with the petition signature notifications that he got. He asked for a list of all of the firearms related problems that he could address by sponsoring new bills. So far, in addition to A1384, MPC, along with Alison McHose and one or two others, have sponsored the following bills: A1398 Mandates NICS check be the exclusive method law enforcement uses to determine whether an applicant is qualified to purchase and possess a firearm. A2857 Eliminates prohibition against purchasing more than one handgun in calendar month. A2246 Permits possession of certain types of ammunition (makes hollowpoints legal). A2858 Repeals certain restrictions on future retail sales of handguns (repeal of smart-gun legislation). So, I would say that this petition has had a very positive result and it is my understanding that MPC is still working on several other bills, along with a "Gun Rights Omnibus Bill" based on the issues that were sent to him.

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I guess that makes anyone in NJ government ineligible to purchase a firearm. :shock: Exactly.

This is not meant to take a shot at you but will they treat 9/15 the same way they treat 30 days for a permit, or how Lautenmummy's name got on the ballot after the legal date? It seem the government only holds to dates when its convenient for them. Unknown. I don't know anyone who has done this before. I would not be surprised if I did not get a response by the deadline. If they do respond, and if they deny my request, it will be very interesting to read what justification they have for maintaining an Administrative Code, post 2A incorporation, that limits a constitutional right beyond what is required by statute. In my humble opinion, there is no way for them to deny my request without "confessing" to a conspiracy to commit oppression. Consider the last question on STS-033 (Application for Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and/or Handgun Purchase Permit). I love that question.

Any word yet? Nothing yet.

Wow, when I came back to check out this thread again I found four spelling errors in my last post! I guess I was typing faster than I was thinking. Regardless, my experience has been that following those steps works. In theory, the next step is to go to the county prosecutor (a suggestion made to me by NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit), but so far, of the four or five that I know that took this approach, none have had a need to go past the Police Chief, because the problem was solved in short order. That's not to say that there aren't a few rogue Police Chiefs out there, I just haven't run into them yet. And, that's not to say that the whole FID, PPP system shouldn't be scrapped. It's a colossal waste of time and resources.

My recommendation is to call if it is taking longer than 30 days. You may find that the clerk or the officer responsible will respond favorably and complete your permits quickly. You may also find that they resist and tell you that it will take an unacceptable amount of time (two months, three months, six months, etc.). They may also tell you one of the many common excuses: He's on vacation. The backup is on vacation. We are waiting for your prints. We are waiting for your references to return something. We wait until we have more than 10 and then we do them all at the same time. etc. If you don't get the first response, you should talk to the Chief next. Be professional, acknowledge that they are busy and short handed and that you appreciate what they do, but also be firm in your insistence that your right to purchase and own firearms not be delayed. In all likelihood, that will solve the problem. If it does not, let us know.

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Bravo. That's how it's done. :clap:

Okay, that was cool.

Here's part 3. It starts at 6:25. yVg7R8pxcK8&feature=related

I watched it this morning. Dan Schmutter did a good job, but Larry Pratt was practically pitching for the other side. Please, please, please, whatever you read in the news or hear on TV, Heller and McDonald say the following: The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense by law-abiding citizens in non-sensitive areas. Stop saying that Heller and McDonald are only about handguns in the home (like Larry !@#$$% Pratt). Anyone who says that is not only wrong, but helping our opposition. Heller guaranteed the core right to keep and bear arms for self-defense, then struck down a set of laws that banned handguns in the home because they violated the core right. McDonald held that the core right guaranteed by Heller applies to the States. Learn it, live it, love it, but most of all, BELIEVE IT... especially if you're on TV talking to the whole GD world!

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Remember... If we do nothing, the precedent will be determined in criminal cases where defense attorneys will try anything to get a couple years off their client's sentence. That is were the real danger is.

The way the state has been run lately, that might backfire. They'll change it and screw all the young hunters. Next thing you know, they'll change the age limit of FIDs to 21 and older, not just the handgun permits. You can't win a fight if you never get in the ring. If anyone wants to read my petition, I will bring it to the next NJ2AS meeting on Aug 9th.

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The correct remedy is to file a Petition for Rules Change to change the Administrative Code. I did so on July 16th as a citizen that does not want to provide my personal information in order to exercise my 2A right of self-defense. They have to respond by Sep 15th. We'll see what happens.