High Exposure

Many of the issues you brought up regarding using a long gun for HD are solved with the addition of a modern 2-point quick adjust sling such as a BFG VCAS or VTAC and a white light that has a clicky or constant on feature. The issue of hitting the barrel on furniture and the like is solved with situational awareness, familiarity, searching/clearing techniques, and practice. Easy day. As far as keeping a bad guy covered, I have found that covering a suspect in any position (prone, seated, kneeling, or standing) with a handgun at full extension, or really any useful ready position, and being ready to engage is much more fatiguing than using a well balanced rifle pulled tight into the shoulder. Additionally, keeping the rifle slung at a low ready and retaining a master firing grip is a relatively relaxed position and is very fast to engage from. Faster than a pistol that isn't already sighted in for sure. If I didnt have an AR and had to choose between a 12g and a 1911 (or any handgun) to defend my home and loved ones, I would choose the shotgun all day long.

If I remember correctly, all of the "People Nation" gangs use the Tres Puntos in some fashion. Bloods, Latin Kings, Vice Lords, etc...

Yup, JHT = Jail House Tat. That particular Tat is called a "Tres Puntos" in Latin circles. It is a common Latino gang symbol with many different meanings. "my Crazy Life" or "Mi Vida Loco" is the most common answer given when asked. I have also hear that the three dots represent 3 Sureño gang members together, and that only senior gang members are permitted to wear the three dots together. Typically on the web of the hand between the thumb and first finger. I have also heard it represent the number 13 in some old Mexican language - Toltec, Aztec, Incan, or something. The letter 13 bein "M" for Mexican Mafia. There are also German and Turkish prison tats with the three dots arranged that way signifying "I don't hear, see, or tell anything." I have heard the three dots represent an "A"for Anarchy and that it means "Death To Cops" or "I hate Cops" in some European cultures.

Clearing even small rooms with a rifle is easy with the right training and techniques, and while it may be slightly less "comfortable" than doing it with a pistol it isnt hard and the advantages a 5.56 rifle affords you over any pistol makes it worth it. If something goes bump in the night and I can get my family and hole up in one room that is what I am doing. I am not searching my house alone while my family is left alone. If that is not an option, I could care less what my neighbors think. I will get the most effective weapon I can in my hands and go to work.

Tres Puntos

Nah. Anything is loud indoors at a range where you are just having fun and not stressed. Luckily when you are scared your body does some pretty cool things to protect itself like Auditory Exclusion. If you think a .45 ACP is loud, you should hear a .44 Mag, a 5.56 (especially an SBR) or a 12g!!

Why?

That says it all doesn't it? I mean who doesn't want a "sure bet" on a $2500-$3000 rifle? I am not sure about The LAV and his relationship with DD, but I do know Pat didn't endorse BCM until after they met his approval over a few years and tens of thousands of rounds downrange and the "Filthy 14" testing. When I first met him, Pat was a die-hard Colt guy who also endorsed Noveske, LMT, LaRue, Knights Armament, Defensive Edge, HK, and LWRCI, before becoming a Bravo Company guy. Even though he has couple of BCM rifles with his name on them he still does recommend those other brands. It has nothing to do with rounds hurt less or it malfunctions more (jam goes on toast ) or it is a "hobby" or "boutique" gun. It has everything to do with a rifle being a known quantity built to or exceeding the Mil-Spec TDP or not. ETA: Vlad G, I get what you are saying and you have a valid point. But, I can't help but think that if BRO wanted to be taken seriously they would push the reliability and function of their rifles and not their paint jobs, billet uppers and lowers (which have been proven to be weaker than forged) or fancy mill work. To me it seems that they are targeting a specific crowd who will buy rifles based on looks or because they are unique, not because they work with boring reliability. They are looking for fan-boys not serious shooters. Until I am satisfied at the "maturity" of the company and the reliability, function, strength and accuracy I will not consider recommending them to others. I will stick to the proven brands when telling someone where to spend their money.

Hey it worked in WWI trench warfare and it is still state of the art tactics! Whatever you do, do not look at modern TTPs employed by high speed tactical units as a basis for you HD tactics. It does not apply. Seriously Jon, be careful. Your gender and profession will be questioned, you will be accused of "bloviating" and you will be threatened with a "calling out" (whatever that is). Then when you offer to go head to head on a timer, all you will hear is silence...... :ROFL:

If I was used to shooting a 1911 and had no access to a long gun - 5.56/.223 or shotgun (not .410) - sure. Personally, I use an AR and if I was going to use solely a pistol it would my Glock 35.

Fair enough. Fork over the cash for one and all the ammo you will need to shake it down and let us know how it runs. With the price of guns and ammo the way it is, now is not the time to be "experimenting" with new brands that come off as cheesy as these from the get go. BCM had some big name instructors known for their integrity and experience vouching for them an putting their names on BCM's rifles. They also started with reasonably priced no-frills (no fancy milling or paint jobs) that followed the TDP. They got fancy (offering hundreds of different models and configurations) after they had a solid reputation for building quality and reliable guns. Big difference between BCM and BRO.

I think they are for the direct vendor site. This is good stuff. I like LBT gear a lot, especially their plate carriers, only they are so damned expensive.

Glock 19. I have shot examples of both, and have owned M&Ps and still own Glocks. I also recommend you get a Gen 3 if possible, at least until the current crop of issues being reported with the Gen 4's gets settled.

That's actually a pretty good 'shop!

A men. The world could always use another bartender!

I have heard really good things about the Shield as well. If I didn't already have the Kahr I would look into picking one up.

Hazing is for the purpose of humiliation. This is not. Everything has a purpose. Nothing is wasted or left up to chance in training. I you want to know how it applies, sign up

Ruger LCP 11.95oz loaded Kahr PM9 18.70oz loaded* Glock 27 27oz loaded * For comparison sake I weighed my Kahr PM9 as well. I would not stop garrying a G27 to carry an LCP/Bodyguard/or any sub caliber gun, as a primary gun. I don't even like carrying a G27 or Kahr as a primary gun, but have if that is what fits the bill... but that is another topic. The LCP fits a specific role in my carry setup. Looking back I would have preferred the Bodyguard .380 but the Ruger gets it done.

Neither do I. I have seen a lot of careers and reputations ruined because of Facebook and the like. You can tell a lot about a person from their FB page. We use it at work for investigations all the time. You will get a much better idea of someone's true maturity level, honesty, and integrity from their social media site than you ever will in an interview. I know someone that didn't get hired at a new job and fired from an old job when they found out they called in sick a bunch of times, and were able to match all the sick days to concerts, sports events, long weekends and overnight vacations they took. What? Preposterous. I am special, a veritable snowflake and I deserve it. If they don't want to just give it to me and insist on making me work for it, well then they can just keep it! [/sarcasm]

Wow! Someone who would follow this advice is the direct opposite of what they are looking for. Do you really want LEOs out there with this mentality?

Happy to help. Good luck and let us know how you make out with everything - A review of the bodyguard and the carry system you decide on.

Sounds like LE work is not for you and that's OK. I bet you a hundred other candidates under the same time restriction as you get it done. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, why don't you get off the forum and start making calls, sending emails, and getting to work. Read this first for a little perspective on why the process is the way it is and the kind of recruit they are looking for: http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/199th/ocs/content/pdf/Message%20to%20Garcia.pdf

Wait for it, waaaaait for it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7H4bUNQgnY Luckily the 4 rules have some redundancy built in. He didn't follow rule one or three, luckily rule 2 saved his bacon.

That sounds awesome. I would love to get together and shoot some steel. As far as VTAC, I have taken VTAC classes and Kyle is one hell of an instructor. I try to watch everything he puts out and put a lot of faith into what he teaches and why. I haven't heard of Vata group.

I would love to but I am working this weekend (Overnights 6p-6a) on Sat, Sun, Mon, and Tues plus OT for the holiday. I shoot steel at OBRPC regularly, but would love to check out another venue. I do have the next Sat and the next full weekend off if anything is going on then. I was thinking of doing the OBRAMS match on the 20th or the real deal steel there on the 21st. As far as the vids, I like looking at the old time vids and see where some of what we know came from and how it evolved into what we have today. The Cory and Erika vids, well... Let's just say I only watch the vids she is in, and I mute them. I don't think that guy has anything to offer. He simply takes classes and vomits back what he learned. He may be a decent shooter but he doesn't know anything about fighting with a gun. You can tell by watching his post engagement sequence. He speed holsters and speed safeties constantly. No assessment, no follow through, and doesn't have the trigger awareness of a guy that fights with guns. But man oh man is his wife/GF hawt!