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The what? (that's our govt representatives, laughing at us simpleton subjects)

Go Texas. Or maybe *I* need to go to Texas. Or just about anywhere else but NJ lol Nah... too damned hot for me. But WY or TN could be possibilities...

My sister works there (she's an optometrist.) She says word is they got a deal on Obamacare.... remember: when WM was first invited to the WH gun control talks, they declined. THEN they changed their mind. I thought perhaps they had been threatened, but it sounds like they may have been bought. I don't know for sure, just reporting what the word is amongst WM people.

I don't believe ANY polls anymore... even if they aren't outright lies, we all know they can be spun by the WAY the questions are asked. The last time I saw a poll on nj.com on this issue, it was heavily on OUR favor... for the 2 days it was up before they took it down because they weren't getting the results they wanted. Assholes. Don't believe polls. We're past that. I also believe we are past the "ballot box initiative" on the timeline discussed on this forum. Too late for ballots. Certainly contact your representatives to let your voice be heard, but don't wait for 2014 and 2016 to vote in people who will make a difference... too late for that shit now.

I don't know about the others, but I've spent all my money this year acquiring the required TOOLS for the job... I just got back into shooting heavily this year.... and while I have some live stock, I'd sleep better if I had more!

Not given up. Preparing for a distinct possibility. Which is the SMART thing to do, chest-boy.

Tough one. The only thing to do is buy every box you come across, at any price. I drive to OH frequently to visit family, and if they ban ammo sales my plan is to stop at every Cabela's, Gander Mtn, Wal-Mart, and Dick's between NJ and Ohio, and accumulate a box at a time. I REALLY hope they don't ban online ammo sales, 'cause it's gonna take awhile to track down 50 boxes of 7.62

I just hope most of the LEOs are like you, when everything goes 19. Because we the people are going to need all the help we can get.

Thread already: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45113-matt-bracken-encroaching-liberty/page__fromsearch__1

Hunger Games is actually a pretty good movie everyone should see- forget that it was a 'tween hit; it's a story about total govt control of the populace, and how 2 kids begin the insurrection. And, that chick is hot, with attitude. I'd have no problem with my daughter using her as a role model.

TK421, great posts man. I can't contribute any more than you already have, but I totally get where you're coming from. And agree.

Wondered how long it would take for the SOP answer

Sorry, beat you to it http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45085-wyoming-tells-gun-grabbers-in-dc-to-back-the-hell-off/page__fromsearch__1

Wow... didn't think it was possible that he could be a bigger scumbag than previously thought.

At least for those of us who haven't acquired ENOUGH yet.

yup. As I have said, I predict mag bans, import ammo bans, online ammo sale bans, and MAYBE the re-introduction of the 96AWB (and if they manage to get that, there will probably be alot more guns on the list).

Right. But everyone now is saying "scream from the rafters".... the idea being that we won't have to use our "sticks"... so when do we stop shouting, shut up, and use the sticks?

Agree it's a waster of time debating anti-gunners; they don't acknowledge facts, statistics, or constitutional study. Founders intent is irrelevant because they were rich white slaveholders, and besides we've outgrown the constitution anyway. You can't debate with the willfully ignorant. However- as for those who are curious to actually learn what the founder's intent was, that's easy. Quotes all over the place showing exactly what the founder's intent was for 2A, as well as the definitions of the word "militia" (the general populace). "Infringed" is also easily defined. "On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322) "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950]) "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169) "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244) "The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87) "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..) "The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386) "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8) "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)) "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939) "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington) "What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.) Infringe: Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".

First, they came for the machine guns, but I didn't speak out because I was not a machine gun. Then they came for the semi-automatic rifles, but I didn't speak out because I was not a semi-automatic rifle. Then they came for the handguns, but I didn't speak out because I was not a handgun. Then they came for the bolt-action rifles and pump shotguns, but I didn't speak out because I was neither. Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak out for me.

lol. I notice this seems to be your favorite comment as of late. Yeah, I'll be there.

Eff them. I'll buy my guns elsewhere.

...if you're not familiar with Ann Barnhardt, I highly recommend you become so. YEAGER GOES TO THE FRONT POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT - JANUARY 9, AD 2013 7:16 PM MST This man is totally sane. I respect what he has done here, because I did something similar myself a while back. At some point, someone has to step up, man up, and SAY IT. No masks, no anonymity, no bs. This is my name, and this is the situation, and anyone who doesn't like it can come and try to do something about it. Mr. Yeager knows EXACTLY what he has done. God bless him. Pray that he has fortitude and doesn't walk back one syllable of this, because that would be just about the worst possible outcome. Remember, POTENCY and FORTITUDE. He isn't crazy - he's just FIRST. And FIRST is almost always attacked and mistaken for crazy. Remember that. Ooh-rah.

If progressive gun control laws were fingers, toes, arms, and legs, and gun owners lost an appendage every time we "compromised" on this issue, we would be quadruple amputees by now. Not. Another. Inch.

Roger that. See you on the 8th.

Pressure on legislature... hasn't been working, has it? And you think it still somehow might work with only a weak control of the house (with republicans)? Forgive me for being realistic, but unless 1) NO further gun control is passed, not even mag or ammo bans, which is highly unlikely, I'd say impossible (SOMETHING WILL PASS) and 2) a REAL conservative (not Christie- we need a Reagan conservative) is elected president in 2016, along with retaining conservative control of the house and gaining seats in the Senate ...we're doomed. It's all 1 step forward, 2 steps back. It always has been with gun control. It's just a matter of time. If progressive gun control laws were fingers, toes, arms, and legs, and gun owners lost an appendage every time we "compromised" on this issue, we would be quadruple amputees by now... and I'm already having a hard time shooting with one arm, hopping on one leg. Not. Another. Inch. Personally, I think the proverbial "line in the sand" will be at the point of actual confiscation.... not sure if something like a total semi-auto ban with NO GRANDFATHERING, making almost all of our guns illegal, will be enough. I don't think either of those things will happen now, but I do predict we take another step back. Whether it's by executive order or a deal worked with the house, we're going to be losing something. And all of us that have 15-round mags (as an example), will be made criminals with the stroke of a pen. When are we going to finally say, "no"?