jackandjill

- The folks passing these laws are NOT ignorant, delusional, or even feel good personalities. They are very smart, sneaky bas** with only one goal - make their power centers more rich and dependent - Asking logical questions WILL NOT get you any logical answers. Again, because they are not stupid and operating under a strict agenda - agenda of selfishness. So stop asking questions of them such as "well, but this does not solve.....". - The goal of all these "measures" is never about real safety or children. Its about practically banning everything without being directly labelled as Anti-Constitution. Its about making it as expensive, inconvenient and infringing as possible. For example many people here ask, "Why 7 , why not 10" ? Simply because they want to stick it to us by making something that doesn't exist, so you cannot simply buy existing stuff. Making new 7s or fixing existing ones costs money. Again, the end goal is to make it as expensive as possible. Other things coming in near future one way or the other - Make FFLs do more of the leg work, and hold them accountable for illegal laws - nazi style of citizens monitoring citizens. - Stop all interstate firearm commerce by strong arming firearm outlets. Small players are given a stick (ATF visit) and big players are offered a stick and carrot (I am sure Walmart was asking - what can we do for you to make up for lost firearm profits). Between Patriot Act, the new "enhanced sharing" of information, HIPAA changes and disappearing FFL/Firearm outlets - We are screwed. Enough ranting for today I guess.

“Republicans, it’s very clear, wanted harsher criminal penalties for illegal guns, which is something I agree with,” Mr. Klein added, “but on the other hand we’re also going to ban assault weapons and limit the number of rounds in a magazine. So I think putting those two things together makes it a better bill.” So Republican majority Senate went along with this ridiculous thing because they just wanted harsher penalties for illegal guns ? “I think today we are setting the mark for the rest of the country,” he (Senator Malcolm A. Smith) said. Say what you want, this is coming to ALL liberal states whether Republican controlled or not. The OGAM and now this, there is trend of politicians making sweeping laws overnight and people going along with it because it doesn't affect *THEM". Politicians are rubbing it on our (collective citizens) noses and telling us that there is nothing we can do. Shame.

If media (as it is) were to print this, they would have no problem depicting this as "how easy" was it for that "criminal looking" person with tattoos (they wont say that, but imply) to buy a gun on street for $250, a mere half the cost of latest iphone.

I call BS. However, one of the PDs did tell me a story about how NJSP tend to 'take forever' or 'send the prints to some other PD' etc IF local guys dont follow up with NJSP within few days of taking prints.

Right, but I asking why none of the pro-2A brings up Due Process at that point. If its nuts to assume Govt can become tyrannical, that means sane person (supposedly the anti-2A) assumption is that Govt can never become tyrannical. Conversely we dont need Due Process if we were to trust the Govt. So my question is, why none of Pro-2A used this counter argument before (not that I have seen) ?

I have seen Mr. Morgan (and others like him) bring up issue of Govt Tyranny. They lead the person into answering if the arms (and 2nd amendment) was for Tyranny and if 2nd amendment advocates are concerned about our own Govt turning against us. I think that's not an innocent question. They are hoping that the answer is going to sound like a 2nd amendment advocate is a nut-job for imagining our own elected Govt turning tyranny. But I have not see any one bring up Due Process or 5th amendment as as response to this ridicule. I see that the Due Process is another tool in the chest of Individual's self defense against getting wrongly accused and hanged (a form of tyranny). If the argument is NOT to suspect our elected Govt, then we wouldn't need Due Process, correct ? If our very own, elected Prosecutor charges someone with something, then it must be right and the individual must be punished without Due Process. Why the anti-2nd amendment crowd wants Due Process, and in turn do not trust their Govt ? I have not seen this counter argument being highlighted by Pro 2A individuals in debate. Am I missing something here ?

Yep. Just realized through other post in WTS section. Thanks again. Someone suggested a trimag instead.

I havent seen the Ruger original 25 rounds in stock, in ages. So wondering if I should buy these as replacement.

I am planning to order these for my 10/22. Are they any good ? Butler Creek Hot Lips 10/22 Magazines

Right, thats what I thought.

Is there a number to call in ? Can anyone call in ?

Someone got to "respectfully" tell the dude on the panel swinging on the chair, to stop swinging and listen. It shows lack of interest, high headedness and "dont care" attitude.

I think he was alluding to aggression and craziness. And I love how he asked to check pipelines in Congress for lead, implying that the actions from Congress have been crazy lately.

Thats correct, $5 for the FID and $2 for each P2P. The price is same ever where. The finger printing is done by outside vendor and they charge separately about $57+.

Sorry if this is already posted, but came across this YouTube video of Australians speaking in no clear terms than plain terms that what happened to them will happen in US, IF we dont keep working at keeping the right.

Done. And I am going to keep on flooding them all. I am happy I ordered a Ruger. Next advice to Ruger - produce the hell out of your popular firearms and i will buy every one of them.

Absolutely.

I would love to see term limits too. But the bozos arent going vote themselves out of their golden careers. Or Enough people consistently votes the incumbent out without regard to political affiliation.

I dont think any politician, much less the majority, will vote to limit terms. There are other options, such as this http://en.wikipedia....ration_movement . Buy unincorporated land with cash and do not take any loans or owe anything to anyone Try to live on your own and Barter what you create (not sell) and see if you can get away with paying majority of taxes , except to local Govt Refuse to work all together and protest by going on social programs and bleed them dry Vote NO ONE or Micky Mouse in ALL elections en-mass Follow open source model, publish decent gun models, make your own with community (militia) funded CNC etc But this requires large number of participants and desire to go like that for few years. All hypothetical.

I got the same. Lets see how Mr. Garrett votes.

Given how much garbage comes out of these Politicians, I think we should have a psych evaluation of every one of these on national TV. Should include ALL relatives of these people published, 4 generations out. After all, we are trusting these people with power, tax money and national security secrets, right ?

The person only gets away with as much as you let them get away. Protests, Letters, Emails, Phone Calls, Votes, Wallet Contributions, every little bit helps. Also remember, when Govt ignores peaceful petitions, it gives opportunity for escalated negotiation. Without peaceful petitions, you cannot go to next step.

Its a piss**ng contest.

Will do. In future, I will try the True Value in Lincoln Park. Another FFL who comes with good reviews and decent transfer fee. TrueValue 206 Main Street Lincoln Park, NJ 07035 (973) 694-1150

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