jackandjill

I think the focus should be more on Constitution and 2nd Amendment, less on Guns in specific. Remember ARMS, not just guns. How about AppreciateConstitutionDay, SupportConstitutionDay, PledgeConstitutionDay. And ask of those who are against, DO YOU SUPPORT and DEFEND UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ? And ask Politicians, DO YOU SUPPORT UNITED CONSTITUTION THAT YOU TOOK OATH TO UPHOLD, UNCONDITIONALLY ?

Few discussions I had , started with Anti-2nd triggering conversation and after few productive exchanges, went into heavy bias of "doing something is better than nothing", "dont you have empathy for the little kids", "is your heart so cold that you dont want to do something" .. blah, blah blah. Thats where I withdraw myself from the discussion because its apparent that the intent is not on any real solutions but a preset agenda. However, IF I ever come across an intelligent individual who like to discuss history, human psychology, power corruption and natural rights, I would also bring up Due Process. Constitution codifies ecosystem of rights, all to promote and respect Free Will and Self Defense (preservation) of Citizens. Due Process is an opportunity to self defend from the accuser and Right to Bear Arms is self defend from physical world. Some Anti-2nd argue that people who invoke 2nd amendment as a way to fight tyranny are paranoid. That the Govt is already too big and has better tools, capabilities and weaponry to squash . But then the same logic should apply to Due Process. If the Govt is so mighty and there is no point in fighting, we might as well give up Due Process, trust Govt Prosecutor to do the right thing and hang the accused immediately. Same applies to First Amendment. If the Govt is so good, strong and there is no point in criticizing, then we should also get away with First Amendment. Oh, and many child abusers, killers got away with punishment because of Due Process and First Amendment. That DOES NOT mean we should go abolish them too.

Buy them something nice for not being an*l like rest of the NJ.

Never understood the logic. My neighbors are my references and they are nice people. They already know I have permit. But I dont like the fact that I have to have them write back everytime I apply for PP.

Good Question. Cigarettes and alcohol doesn't help people become self-sufficient or challenge corruption. If anything they make people dependent and stay in their hole (if addicted) under depression. And thats exactly what corrupted power wants. Its a gift that keeps on giving to those in power. If this was EVER about public health or children, we have many areas to work to become advanced society and respecting 2nd amendment would be good start.

According to ATF, if you told Paul (or your favorite FFL) before hand about this deal to sell, they are in pickle too. Its a different matter IF, HOW ATF is going to enforce their definition. They may not even give a F* about it. And your FFL may not give a F* about it. But when someone asks if it meets ATF definition of Straw Purchase, then it seems. Thats all.

What I dont get is, 1000's of pistols (such as Glocks) disappeared from the shelves in NJ stores within last 15 or so days. Whats left is priced crazy. So given all these stories about how people wait atleast 30 days (and much longer) for new Pistol Permits and One-Gun-Per-31-day rule, how did that happen ?

Saw atleast 7% decrease on the paycheck compared to the last one in 2012. I dont pay much attention to things, so not sure if this is related to any adjustments in the beginning of the year. The second check will confirm the story.

DO NOT stop the push back. The nuts strategy is simple, through enough rocks and one of them will hit the window. And they know every one of these wont stand proper judicial review, but they bank on the fact that courts take years to hear these cases and they can pass them overnight at a pool table. We have to keep persistent with the response.

Its not about considering as dealer. Its about lying on a form. On that same form , following wording appears on page 2. "If I am not the actual buyer, is a crime punishable as felony under Federal law and may ....." A friend (who could buy legally on his own) asks you to buy (because he doesnt have time, out of town etc) and you buy with your name on it and then sell it to him - BAD You saw good price, plan to sell it at premium and buy with that intent - BAD Crook asks you to buy for him - obviously BAD You saw good price, you buy for yourself, then got buyers remorse and sell it - OK You bought because you had money, seemed like good deal, but then something happens and you need money immediately, so sell it - OK ----- I am not a lawyer, and this is not a legal advice.

Folks are smarter than this and creative. They know what SCOTUS ruled, but it does not stop them from enacting more laws with slightly different wording, nuances and crap. Look no further than NJ and IL. The strategy is, throw enough rocks and one of them is bound to hit the window. And courts take years to hear and rule on these cases but the crazy f***s in positions can pass laws overnight.

From the reading of the ATF paragraph, there has to be additional proof or intention that two people made a prior arrangement to go through the purchase. Meaning, it would fall into that ATF definition of straw purchase, IF, the op and another individual made prior arrangements such a way that Op (straw purchaser) would buy and then sell it to the said individual (actual purchaser). I am not a lawyer, so dont take this as advice, but if Op bought the item for himself, with no prior arrangement with anyone else, didnt like and sells to a random buyer following legal framework, I dont see how it falls into that ATF definition of straw purchase. Intent and prior arrangement are key here.

This ^^^. Remember, the laws in NJ is the epicenter of the Cancer. NJ has been and will always be the most restrictive, and very crafty at doing that (remember we have carry laws on books, not in practice).

"Sir, I am in the middle of planning a robbery and feeling pretty nervous about those Detectives with guns in the store. What happened to those days when a man can plan his getaway without distractions". <sarcasm>

If anything we need to codify a right to immediately (and automatically) strip politicians of power and impose a lifetime ban if they proposed or voted in favor for ANY legislation that is stuck down by Supreme Court at the least. Best case scenario, a right to hang Traitors, of course after affording them Due Process.

We cannot time travel into future (yet) :-), but NJ (and IL) treatment of law abiding citizens is always a glimpse into the mindset of those elements that work hard to take people's rights away. Looking at NJ and IL, these are not limited to democrats or republicans. If there is one thing that doesn't discriminate, its lust for power. And they are like cancer, detect one place, and virtually guaranteed to be hiding in all unexpected places. Every time someone says "that cannot happen" , they should look at states like NJ, IL and see if it has happened. If it happened in these states, it will happen elsewhere, IF people dont continue to put up a good fight for their rights.

Agree. I wanted a Ruger 22/45 pistol and a 10/22 TD. Oh well, may have to wait ..... and apply for PP again.

My sister-in-laws town is a type of town where majority of crimes are about old ladies slipping on ice in winter (no offense to old ladies). Still, they have a cop visit school on daily basis, spend time, educate kids about recent events, run DARE program, just be present and friendly all around. I didnt see her kids as spooked or disturbed. If anything they have better understanding of things , why not approach a vehicle with puppies etc. I say go for it. Budget - they will find it. The CT school had about 600 kids @ 200 = 120K per year - OT or salary for couple of vets. There are lot of people with enough dedication to do the job. 60 or 70 or even 150K is peanuts for any town if the intent is really to minimize ANY type of incidents.

Now you are rubbing it in :-)

Yep. Its a shame. I got 3 PPs in hand and money sitting for a nice 22 LR, a Glock and something else . Also wanted to buy a 308, a shotgun and may be an AR. Just now got an email asking if I want to buy an AR stripped lower for upward of 250. The ones I know sold for about 90. so far I have none to order within reasonable price, if they are available at all.

Whats frustrating is that any and all items are flying off the shelves including handguns. Prices have sky rocketed as a result, including 22 cal long guns, standard Glock pistols etc. Are manufactures like Glock so scared of the situation that they suspect they wont be able to sell all they make ? Oh well, as first time buyer it sucks to get PPs in hand and not able to buy any or watch prices go up the mountain. Just venting.

"can't use them to buy guns" - thats the point.

Although estimating number of lives saved is tricky, same information in a more tabular format with a column for "estimated number of lives saved" would strike immediately. I don't think calculating a "NET" would be of any benefit except treating lives like bean counting but showing estimated number of lives saved would be POSITIVE impact. Oh, and a column for state, to show all these saves happen in states with good 2nd amendment and stand your ground.

Anything is possible. Assuming these things were sold below cost, typically one or both parties split the loss with the split benefit in proportion. The benefit could include customer information, guarantee of future shelf space for same or upgraded products with increased prices, guarantee of future shelf space for equipment or accessories. Second party would be pissed if one party pulls out of the deal in the middle of contract. The party (Dicks) could have pulled out of it regardless of the tragedy. May be they are just using that as an excuse.

Apart from writing letters, joining the anjrpc, nj2as what else can be done ? If these arcane laws persisted since 1960s and never got better, is there any hope at all ? Even a shall-issue FID process is circumvented in many towns. You can see, I am the new kid on the block. Veterans - have you seen progress in NJ laws over time at all ?