jackandjill

Now I "know" many who knows about species laying eggs without male counter part being there :-). Believe it or not, none in my conversations knew such an obvious fact. Similarly, everyone I talk to (who dont own guns) seem to miss obvious facts about Arms and 2A. Their only picture of Guns is a mean looking machine gun that causes havoc and/or gang bangers running around wacking people.

You are truly the first one I met who knew. When it comes to Guns, my observation has been that they do care, but they care from view point of it being "evil".

I have not met a person so far who knows that Hens can lay eggs without Rooster present. Even old timers I met thought you need Rooster to get eggs from Hens. Whats the point ? Its same type of fact-knowing when it comes to Arms, Guns, 2A history. First image of a gun is that of an automatic, bullet spraying, havoc causing, killer machine. Many think Rights are given and that we should be glad that we have some. And that somehow we all evolved from the revolution time and dont need 2A. The sad part is, these folks dont even make effort to stop, think and realize that eggs are produced as part of biological process regardless if there is going to be a sperm to fertilize it. Or that arms are tools necessary for self preservation much like food, water and shelter.

There is no end result. The real fun is in the game. Why ? Same as its been for aeons - Make as many people work their time and energy to provide luxury and power to few. People are inherently lazy. When given power, they would use to further consolidate it and make other people work for the benefit of select few. That was "why" for a very long time and it will be "why" for as long as Human race survives. A more concrete example is taxes. Unless you remove tools and means of people who would resist, one cannot move forward with slowly but surely increasing taxes - which is a way to take percentage of your work and 'distribute' it. In that game, select few gets to enjoy the finest life has to offer.

They wouldn't in positions they are if they truly believed in what they say. They also never act in emotion. Everything they do is tied to an agenda that's already on the books with certain benefit.

If it ever comes to the state of confrontation, US military will fire on US citizens. The reason would be precisely what you mentioned. Tensions rise, people get onto streets (even without any firearms), local police wont be enough to hold off, national guard and other branches will be called onto. Someone will cast the first stone - if its some guy with emotions running high or a plant. That sets everything downhill. I doubt it will happen here in US, but if it does happen, thats how it always goes down. Most likely scenarios is that anyone who raises their voice too much to become a threat will be taken care of just like that Randy Weaver case. In such isolated incidents, best local LEOs can do is to sit back and do crowd control. Because they are regulated just like rest of the populous. For masses, the likely scenario is enacting registration requirements (like FID, etc), backed by an automatic felony tag for non compliance, which automatically can trigger warrants, forces local LEOs arrest on DMV incidents, make it a hell for people to get jobs or apply anything related to Govt (that question.. Have you ever been......).

Gov Cuomo announced the budget plans. Apparently his budget involves no increase in taxes. I think Repubs in Albany is hoping to get elected again on look-no-tax-hike mantra. They are banking on theory that more people will forget what they did with 2A for a temporary hold on tax hikes. Meantime, Mr. Cuomo is planning to fill the coffers by removing any negotiations on speeding tickets and taking drivers license away for owing more than 10K in taxes. I say every NY citizen should vote down every one of these back stabbers and send them home packing and repeal the damn shame.

Nothing short of this will do any good.

The Govt doesnt have to do ANYTHING at all. All the have to do (if not done already) is something like NJ FID clause and declare it as Felony with minimum of more than a year prison time. The question of "Have you ever been ....a year or more..." comes up every where. Unless people stop this drama before or immediately after it happens through stay from courts, lot of people jobs, lives are at stake. The vultures in public office got luxury of just sitting back and watch the peasants suffer.

Dont forget about catchy name like the NYSAFE. When something is introduced, its important to have such a name that you can shame anyone who did not vote for it. Politicians has been using this tactic for sometime now.

"Finally, as incoming Majority Leader, I owe it to my caucus to remove an issue that seems increasingly likely to complicate our shared agenda this biennium." I don't think this is yet another insignificant or nonsense bill. This has been introduced by the incoming Majority Leader. "I began thinking about the bill after the Gabby Giffords shootings in Arizona, thought more seriously about it following Aurora, and had it finally drafted in the wake of Sandy Hook. " And this is not an emotional response. This is a well thought out, opportunistic attack by these vultures. I bet a dinner that crafted anti 2A bills are sitting under a desk in every state ready-to-go at opportune moment.

The sneaky politicians know it very well. They arent stupid. They are like vultures. Just like vultures, they will sit, wait for as long as they need to, They will slowly but surely put 2A to death by chewing at it bit by bit.

"To the many responsible gun-owners with whom I've communicated over the last several weeks: I've heard you. Please hear me when I say that government is not your enemy - " So, atleast for now, all those who wrote, called and communicated opposing such measure succeeded. Good job folks. Please dont stop there. Unseat anyone who even "thought" infringing on the 2A. Take the opportunity and unseat him and anyone else who remotely coauthored this.

I am yet to meet a person who asks that question because they are genuinely interested in logical reasoning and answer.

Many child molesters, murderers and scumbags dodged punishment due to "Due Process". Why do you need Due Process when - You know its putting criminals back on the street - Prosecutor is elected official who would only charge if the person is really guilty A closed door hearing between guilty, prosecutor and a judge should be good enough, right ? <sarcasm> for those who need extra indication.

They are smarter than we give them credit. More than crack pipe, they love sticking it to the people AND crack pipe at the same time. And they get to do it all the time.

What johnp said. My LEO recommendation was based on assumption that a "new handgun" that you just purchased had to go back and replaced by a different serial number. In that case, if you used the only PP for the purchase, supposedly, you cannot take possession of replacement (with different serial number) until you get another PP (which could take months). Now, dont ask legalities of One-Handgun-Per-Month in that scenario :-) I dont know.

Thanks for that reference. I am glad it finally got the retired LEO's whats supposed to be non discriminating rights. While I dont like Fed trumping State's rights, I wish something similar could be passed for ALL eligible citizens.

Remember Hoovers FBI from 60s. I am sure it has come long way since then. If Feds want something badly, they will get it done.

Did Unions play any role to get retired LEOs ccw ? Dont get me wrong, they need it, as is any other law abiding citizen. Govt need boots on the ground to enforce laws and dont want to mess with police unions. That could be it. On the other hand, rest of us, the peasants dont have anything to bargain with.

Oh they are going to make sure little guy will always pony up. One could hole up in all paid private ranch, owe nobody anything, still these roaches will find a way to tax the guy and drag them through courts if they dont pony up the tax money.

When I applied for permits, my local PD LEO recommended to up the permit count. And this is exactly reason (if I need to send the new handgun back for any reason and get replacement) why he said its good to have a spare permit handy.

Sorry, my head is spinning and dont understand the celebration. Didnt the EO include ban of ALL mags larger than 10 capacity ? Doesnt that make most of the standard Glocks non compliant ? Pardon my ignorance.

My head is spinning with all this. So at the risk of looking dumb, let me ask this question : Does any of EOs signed today by Obama make a near future blue label Glock 19 purchase (with 15 capacity) immediately illegal ? Does it mean my FFL will not sell this to me starting immediately ?