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  1. Posted

    48 minutes ago, ToddD said:

    Just had my hearing in Burlington County. 
     

    Judge confirmed I’m the first in our county. Just asked to confirm make and model. Read restricted places to me. 

    Carry IS NOT restricted in our vehicles.

    Said he’s signing today and putting in the mail and that I should have physical permit by the end of the week  but that I am approved. 

    Congrats!

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  2. Posted

    2 hours ago, NorthernYankee said:

    I think the thought process of why the car carry is so important is because if they don't nip it in the bud immediately the counties that aren't issuing will begin issuing with the same restriction.  Then we have an even bigger issue, while I feel bad for residents of the counties not getting their PCH promptly I would rather see you wait a bit rather then get a basically useless PCH and then have to fight it to get it changed.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Agreed, I'm just annoyed with the obstructionist counties (mine included) that haven't issued anything. 

  3. Posted

    1 hour ago, Alex V said:

    Okay, so who’s to say you’re going to remember to flip that safety when you need to draw?

     

    It works both ways. 
     

    I just don’t see how in your pants, in a good holster, the manual safety is doing anything to protect your twig and berries over a striker fired gun. In the holster it’s doing literally nothing. 
     

    the original post I replied to made it seem like a manual safety is somehow helping the gun not shoot your nuts off. 

    Truth^^^

    Up until recently I was a big advocate for 1911 carry. This was until I took pistol classes and saw fellow students forgetting to turn their safety's off on the draw, or the grip safety interfering with their firing grip which would often affect their accuracy. The manual safety is on a defensive carry gun is an intentional obstacle you're placing on yourself, one that could cost you your life. My carry gun does not and will not have a safety. If those of you feel uneasy about appendix carry, you can apply a large foam wedge to the backside of your holster which will tilt the gun away from your body, it works for me. :B:):

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    1 hour ago, Combat Auto said:

    Did you report this to the ANJRPC-Strikforce? They are asking for us to do so so they know where to focus their efforts.

    Strikeforce seems to be laser focused on addressing the "ocean county car carry" restriction, but no one is addressing the counties like Middlesex and Somerset that have not issued a single permit to anyone! I have emailed Strikeforce already regarding Middlesex county and have received no response nor have I seen any change in this county. What's the point of pouring resources into fighting the "car carry" restriction at this juncture when there are still numerous counties that are refusing to issue a single permit? At least those in Ocean, Passiac, Morris, Hunterdon Counties are getting something. I'm very disappointed with the chosen course of action, can someone else other than me email strikeforce regarding Middlesex, Somerset Etc?

  6. Posted

    10 hours ago, Philasipha said:

    Just wanted to provide an update of where I am so far:

    Submitted my paperwork to the West Orange PD on 7/19

    Got fingerprinted on 7/25 in Staten Island (No NJ appointments)

    PD sent letters to references within the same week.

    Money Order has been cashed since checking today(9/8).

    I am assuming that that means it has made it to the courts but I am not sure. Does anyone else have any insight into how Essex County has been handling permits?

    Yes, it means the superior court in your area is processing your application.

  8. Posted

    Another update in Middlesex County

    Apologies for the long email and punctuation errors but, this was written in haste as I'm kind of busy at the moment. Those in Middlesex County and possibly other counties will want to take what I write note for note. I missed a phone call that appeared as "NJ Judiciary" in the inbound phone call log. I naturally assumed this was the Superior Court regarding my missing application, so I called them back. The individual who picked up was not the correct contact, so they transferred me to same individual i spoke to on Friday regarding my missing application. Before I was transferred though, the person who initially picked up the phone mumbled something under their breath which to me sounded like "it doesn't matter ", I could be entirely wrong, but it is hard to make out garbled messages correctly. The person I spoke to regarding my application stated the following.

    1. My application was received today in the court even though my PD told me they shipped it out weeks ago!

    2. There have been no carry applications signed off by the judge in Middlesex County. 

    3. When it's ready for I pick up I will receive a phone call. (with the understanding that the phone call would come from the court)

    So, what I have learned from this experience? Well, it doesn't take weeks in transit to send a manilla envelope a few miles to New Brunswick using USPS or any other carrier! The PD's are "fudging" the dates in which your applications are sent, or the applications sent are in some dark vault deep within the bowels of court for weeks before being logged in by court personnel!!! Secondly, the judge has not signed off any applications so even if your money order is cashed it won't matter without a judge's signature. Thirdly, I believe once Middlesex starts issuing permits, we will likely have to pick up our permits from the courthouse and not the PD. Based on my conversation with the clerk, it does sound like they are at least processing the applications, but the issue remains that the assignment judge is not signing off on them. I really wish that Strikeforce would take note of what's happening in Middlesex County, at some point action will need to be taken. The clock is now ticking on my application....

     

  11. Posted

    1 hour ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    First time I emailed the records clerk after my PD sent my application to Middlesex she could not find it on her list of received applications. Within 6 hours she emailed me to say she had it. 
    If your application is on the bottom of a stack and not yet entered onto the list the clerk would have no way of knowing the application had been received by the court.  And the court likely has stacks, plural, of received applications not yet entered into the system. 

    My guess is that the application will show up at Middlesex a week or two after Labor Day.

    What you could do is ask the PD when they sent your application and then politely email the clerk a week after Labor Day and tell her when and which PD sent over your application  and ask if you could please confirm receipt.

    i would have the email read something like this:

    My local police department tells me that they sent over my approved carry permit application on about August __ . If possible, could you please confirm that it has been received.

    Name

    Address

    email

    phone

     

     

     

    The clerk was called twice and checked twice, there is no receipt of my application. PD said they sent it more than two weeks ago. I spoke with the court twice and PD once, I got no answer. 

    12 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    Same exact thing happened to me when I called the Clerk. We have no record of your application. They said call back in 2 weeks.  13 days later PD called me and said my permit was ready for pickup! I wouldn’t panic yet.

    The difference between your experience and mine is that in your case the PD may not have sent it yet when you called the clerk. My case is very different and more concerning, the PD is saying they sent it more than two weeks ago!!! The court should have my application in the stack AND THEY DONT!. That's the issue. Samiam is correct, applications should be recorded when received by the court without exception. 

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  12. Posted

    6 hours ago, marlintag said:

    Update from Middlesex County!

    I called the Middlesex County Superior Court and my PD this morning after seeing that my money order was still not cashed. The court clerk told me that they do not have my application and my name does not appear anywhere. She stated that they are overloaded with carry applications and that the judge has not signed off any applications. It sounded from our brief conversation that there is no date or timeframe for the judge to even begin looking at these applications. I then called my PD who told me that indeed my application was signed off and sent to the court weeks ago!!! How's that for some crazy SHIT!!  The court clerk did take my number down to call me back on the chance they found my application. If your in Middlesex, you can forget a smooth and speedy issuance of your carry permit. So, which attorney should I go with? I'm thinking Jef Henninger or Dan Schmutter. :mad:

    I called the court again to discuss what my PD told me. It appears they have indeed "lost" my application. From what I understand the assignment judge has not signed off or viewed any  Post-Bruen applications. I was told by the court to call back next week as the person in charge is going on vacation. Strikeforce has been emailed regarding this issue. Retaining an attorney is now on the table...

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  13. Posted

    13 minutes ago, SJgunguy9899 said:

    Wow, I’m actually really blown away at how nice and helpful this lady was. She’s actually not a judge, she’s an administrative assistant for the judge. She found my application and is processing it now. Judge Darcy will be the one signing off for Atlantic county. From what she tells me the judge is supposed to be having a meeting with the prosecutor on how to proceed with this. I didn’t want to be rude or say anything but what’s this all about? How to proceed? The judge is supposed to just approve it. This lady also told me she is the only one processing all the applications from Atlantic county. She has stacks and stacks of applications and more coming in everyday. She can not keep up. 

    Congrats! I'm glad they "found" yours.

  14. Posted

    33 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

    Unreal.

    So to address the "overload" the judge isn't doing his/her job of signing off on the application and just letting the backlog grow?

    Senseless.

    Yes. I just called the ANJRPC Strikeforce, someone should be calling back hopefully today. 

    45 minutes ago, samiam said:

    Yes, you are correct, good catch. There is apparently one head administrator for both courts, as well. Judges (and presumably their clerks) however, seem to be listed by county, at least for civil and criminal divisions. Oddly, the municipal and family divisions list judge(s) for Atlantic County only. I guess I'll need to wait and see what develops. 

    New Jersey Courts - Atlantic and Cape May County Vicinages - Judges Contact Directory

    Somebody should check the incinerator in the courthouse basement...

    The incinerator, the garbage out back, maybe they dropped it into a lake or landfill. 

  15. Posted

    48 minutes ago, marlintag said:

    Update from Middlesex County!

    I called the Middlesex County Superior Court and my PD this morning after seeing that my money order was still not cashed. The court clerk told me that they do not have my application and my name does not appear anywhere. She stated that they are overloaded with carry applications and that the judge has not signed off any applications. It sounded from our brief conversation that there is no date or timeframe for the judge to even begin looking at these applications. I then called my PD who told me that indeed my application was signed off and sent to the court weeks ago!!! How's that for some crazy SHIT!!  The court clerk did take my number down to call me back on the chance they found my application. If your in Middlesex, you can forget a smooth and speedy issuance of your carry permit. So, which attorney should I go with? I'm thinking Jef Henninger or Dan Schmutter. :mad:

     

    40 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

    I think Dan may be the one to go to here...

    I'll be calling shortly...I am giving them time to "find" my application......

    10 minutes ago, Lostboy said:

    This isn't our fucking problem. They decided this is how it was going to be.

    Exactly, through incompetence or malicious intent they will likely force us to take legal action to get our permits.

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  16. Posted

    Update from Middlesex County!

    I called the Middlesex County Superior Court and my PD this morning after seeing that my money order was still not cashed. The court clerk told me that they do not have my application and my name does not appear anywhere. She stated that they are overloaded with carry applications and that the judge has not signed off any applications. It sounded from our brief conversation that there is no date or timeframe for the judge to even begin looking at these applications. I then called my PD who told me that indeed my application was signed off and sent to the court weeks ago!!! How's that for some crazy SHIT!!  The court clerk did take my number down to call me back on the chance they found my application. If your in Middlesex, you can forget a smooth and speedy issuance of your carry permit. So, which attorney should I go with? I'm thinking Jef Henninger or Dan Schmutter. :mad:

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  19. Posted

    31 minutes ago, Cheflife15 said:

    I'll be qualifying tomorrow and trying to hand in my papers by next week. I have a feeling piscataway will make it hard to even drop the paperwork off. 

    As long as you call your PD to make an appointment to drop off your paperwork they cannot refuse!

    4 hours ago, Ficus said:

    Just got in touch with deptford pd and was told via email “The court is backlogged into December u won’t here anything anytime soon”  

    I’m kind of aggravated.

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    December! That's a bunch of baloney! They are playing games with you.

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  20. Posted

    18 hours ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    Local PD’s have 60 days under statute to approve or disapprove. 

    If disapproved by the local PD the applicant has 30 days to appeal in writing, with a specific procedure as to who must be notified. 
     

    If no action taken in 60 days the application is deemed approved by the local PD and it must be presented to the Superior Court. I do not know how an applicant of a deemed approved application is supposed to present it to the Superior Court of the local PD does not do it. 
     

    Local PD’s that are not dragging their feet are approving within the 60 days and sending the approved applications to the Superior Court for review and final approval. Getting stacks of approved applications from multiple Local PDs is a major logistical hurdle for a Judge and their staff even if they are trying to do the right thing. 
     

    if the Judge has a question about whether to give final approval to an approved application they are supposed to hold a hearing within 30 days and render a final decision within 14 days thereafter. 
     

    Here is my personal timeline

    JUL 22. Application filed with local PD

    JUL 25. Fingerprints taken in Pennsylvania

    AUG 13 local PD sent me email asking for email addresses of my three references. 
     

    AUG 13 I sent email to local PD with the email addresses of my three references. 
     

    AUG 15 local PD sent email questions to my three references

    AUG 16 my three references responded. 

    AUG 19 I receive email from local PD saying the Chief approved my application and it was being sent to the Superior Court. 

    AUG 22 is date I assume my local PD approved application was received by Superior Court

    AUG 29  I will give my local PD approved application a week to be kicked around the Superior Court. Then I will call the Superior Court and politely and respectfully ask if it is possible for me to  confirm that the Superior Court received my local PD approved carry permit application   

    SEP 22 is the calculated 30 day deadline for the Superior Court to act on my application or hold a hearing  


     

    I am in a similar situation and almost identical timeline. 

    July 13th - Application dropped off at local PD and accepted

    July 22nd - Fingerprinted in NJ

    July 28th - All references completed

    Aug 16th - Notified by PD that application was approved by a chief and forwarded to superior court. Judge will be on vacation until the end of the month and to be patient as there are a lot of applications. 

    The statute for the Superior Court is 30 days total for approved or rejected applications. I too will be taking action if there is no hearing or determination at the 30 day deadline. FYI this is Middlesex County.

     

     

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  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, Steve_G said:

    I have read in some other groups that Judge Rea is handling permits for Middlesex county. He has been on a 3 week vacation and is returning 8/22. I would imagine he will have quite a pile on his desk Monday morning. I just submitted my packet this afternoon, going for prints Monday.

    My source says differently, but a return date of 8/22 would be great. 

    52 minutes ago, Karatenurse said:

    The girl Anna who I was told is processing them will also be back on Monday. I can call next week to get updates as they said she is the one to speak to.

    I would not call them too much! What Steve_G said about a huge pile of applications is true based on a source. 

  24. Posted

    An update from Middlesex County!

    My application was approved by the PD and send to the court. Now more waiting... :p. The fact is that for most of us this will be a 30-90 day process. I am aware that some here have received their permits in under 30 days but, that won't be for the majority of applicants particularly in heavily populated areas like Middlesex and Bergen counties. Like I said, getting your carry permit quickly appears to be county dependent and maybe some luck too! I am also the first post-bruen applicant in my town which is kinda cool. 

  25. Posted

    2 hours ago, Jim Jones said:

    Yes this was a separate document from the application references. I should have added they then call your references as well.

    Congrats to you!

    55 minutes ago, ToddD said:

    Just spoke to the Burlington county court again. They received my app and it was given to the prosecutors office yesterday. Now we see how long this portion of the process takes. My town (Mt Laurel) mailed it to them certified on 8/5. Find it hard to believe it took 10 days to go from Mt. Laurel to Mt. Holly, which means they’ve been sitting on it. 


    Effing Burlington county…

    Be thankful your not in MIddlesex! At least yours is moving to the court level....

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