KurtC
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I was in the Squadron at McGuire AFB. The Seniors were mostly Vietnam vet chopper pilots, so we got to fly around in Hueys now and then. Went to the Ranger School at Hawk Mtn for three courses. They got me falling down drunk for my 16th birthday at a Ft Devens encampment. Ah, good times.
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2 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:correct...but it's still a cop doing the approval/denial. that's part of why i'm asking......judges have no place in this.
Superior Court Judges have been used to make sure local Police Chiefs weren't showing favoritism. I doubt that will change anytime soon. Perhaps when they are overwhelmed with permits and the application process is done thru FARS. Don't expect too many changes all at once.
I'm guessing that you are in the CAP. I was in back in the '70s, before going in the Army. Lots of good times at Hawk Mountain.
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9 minutes ago, supranatural said:I have the packet and my only question is there is 3 references on the application which is to be filled in triplicate, so do it looks like I will need to visit each of my references in turn to complete the applications. Only weird thing is I also have the pistol permit form in there as well, not sure why I need that unless I'm buying another pistol (never a bad idea...).
Purchase permits, done thru FARS, contact the references by email.
Th carry permit application is different. Each reference must personally sign each of the 3 copies. They want to make sure the references personally understand that they are vouching for your responsibility to carry a handgun.
3 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:brings up the question again.....by the wording, can the judge not be removed from the process?
Doubtfully. Many states require someone at the county level to approve carry permits. In Pennsylvania, it is the County Sheriff.
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2 minutes ago, Downtownv said:If someone finds this, can you post it? Thank you.
https://www.njoag.gov/contact/office-of-constituent-services/
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23 minutes ago, quikz said:Ok. Now that the NJSP issued this "directive". Where does that put me? I already have a NJ 'carry' permit (renewed 5th time, last month May 2022) "restricted" during 'working hours only' for my part time job. Where does this 'directive' put me and some co-worker with a non-res jersey permit? I am a res. Maybe I should just call the NJSP where I got it from.
The AG website has a constituent contact page. Fill it out asking how the new directive affects current permit holders that have restrictions under the old directives.
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6 minutes ago, marlintag said:The only question i have is do we need police Quals or not? Is a basic pistol training certificate with a certified instructor sufficient? If we do need RPO quals/police quals where do we go?
This is where the permitting system remains subjective. You have to convince your Chief of Police and a Superior Court Judge that you have satisfied the competency requirement.
You can easily find out from your local PD as to what they will accept. The Superior Court Judge, not so much. There is no way of knowing which judge your application will come before. There are usually several in each county.
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From the State Police web site. Obviously, number 5 is now unnecessary.
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46 minutes ago, antimatter said:Am I to understand that you have can only carry the gun you qualify with?
what if i want to swap between my revolver and semi-auto?
Sort of. When I submit a renewal, I list quals with 2 sidearms that I am likely to carry. If I pick up a new handgun, I don't carry it until I qualify with it.
There is no current requirement to list sidearms on the permit, but I make sure that I can back up my proficiency with a particular sidearm by having a documented qualification.
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29 minutes ago, MartyZ said:Here is another question. Will we be able to leave our pistols in the car if we need to go into a building that does not allow guns?
Yes. Just lock your doors.
Last time I checked 2C, which may be longer than I remember, the no no list includes all Federal Property, such as Post Offices. Remember that a Post Office parking lot may be Federal Property, street parking is not. Casinos and Educational Facilities require the approval of the governing body.
I think the Dems want to add Public Property and Private Property to the list.
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57 minutes ago, Newtonian said:I hope we're just being paranoid here and not predicting the future. I, for one, would have difficulty shooting an 8" target at 75 freaking feet with any consistency. Maybe with my ruger .22 semiauto, but probably not with any serious self defense weapon.
Actually, most quals are done using an FBI "Q" target, which is similar to the old IPSC coke bottle. It's not easy to miss. Even if you blow some of the 25 yard shots, you can still make 80% to pass.
Short barrels naturally have a short sight radius and take a bit more discipline. The important thing to consider when choosing a sidearm is that compacts are more difficult to shoot than medium or full size.
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2 minutes ago, MartyZ said:It's a good thing I have no social media posts.
But here is another question. Will local ranges allow holster draw for those with CCW?
Very difficult to find. You usually have to reserve the range and shut it down for a qualification.
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6 minutes ago, marlintag said:I forgot to mention to everyone here. When i got off the phone with my local PD this morning. They stated that likely the CCW process will be integrated into the FARS system. THIS IS GOOD FOR US! It may be similar to getting another P2P.
Integrating it into FARS would be one helluva improvement. Hopefully the fingerprints already on file will be acceptable. As it is now, you need a fresh set run through the system with the results going to your local PD.
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15 minutes ago, quikz said:Yea But...
I already have current/active jersey """carry""" permit. It is a 'restricted' permit from a part time job. NOW WHAT???
FOLLOW THE LAW OF THE LAND.
I suspect the AG will eventually get around to addressing the issue. The easy solution is to just nullify any restrictions and give you a sticker to put on your permit. The likely solution is to make you start from scratch using any new procedures. This way they get more money out you.
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3 hours ago, FXDX said:in other states where some NJ residents have obtained non-resident permits you could carry a revolver one day and semi the next. so in NJ is it safe to assume whatever you qualify with is only what you are only permitted to carry? In other words in NJ you qualified with a Glock G26 or similar and you needed to send it back for repairs or a recall so then you’d be prevented from carrying a revolver in the meantime correct?
Whenever I qualify, I run the course with 2 different sidearms, so that I have paperwork on 2 (It's actually one paper, but 2 sidearms are listed). Thirty years ago, I would use one revolver (usually a Smith 625) and one semi. Nowadays I usually use 2 semi's.
Back in the day I had a NY state non-resident permit. The serial numbers/make of all possible sidearms was typed on the permit. The current NJ permit doesn't have this, but who knows what the future brings.
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The requirements simply state a Qualification. I have used NJ, PA and FBI courses of fire. I have always included a copy of the course of fire with the application. Even though I qualify whenever I can, the current requirement is for submission with the application or renewal, which as of now is every 2 years. There is no current requirement for annual or semi-annual quals.
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Since a lot of unhappy bureaucrats are going to have to comply with this ruling, they will probably figure out a way to raise money on it. It would not surprise me if they come up with very specific training requirements, along with a new qualification course. In doing so, they may force you to use only certain "state sponsored" instructors.
I wouldn't rush into anything.
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I've probably qualified 50 or 60 times over the last 35 years and it has always been the same, reholster with one hand, without looking, even when concealed. That's one thing that hasn't changed over the decades. Situational awareness is paramount, not fiddling with your gear. Check out the link I posted for qualifications. During advanced training, if you decide to go that route, you'll have to draw with your weakhand and reload with just one hand.
Also, no shoulder rigs of any sort. You won't even be allowed on the range.
A lot of incidentals during qualification will be up to the instructor running the range. Such things will be based on the levels of experience and number of shooters taking part. You may have someone that holds your hand through the process or you may have someone that expects a lot out of you. There are a lot of variables.
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4 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:Speaking for myself - applying now, even if I am denied again, is going to have no detrimental effect on me (except maybe make me a bit more pissed).
I already have a denial on my record. Another one won't make any difference.
I don't even have to go to much effort. I plan to use the same $50 postal order that I used the first time around (hopefully they don't expire) so I can skip the trip to the post office. BIG TIP: NJSP don't take person checks for this. It has to be a PO.
If I get ahead of the rush - great! I don't see me having my day in court for at least a couple of months anyway. The BG checks aren't going to complete overnight. If everyone else wants to wait a see what happens to me, I'm good with that. I won't be stuck in a massive queue.
Why the requirement to not look at your holster? That is contrary to every bit of training I have received.
You need to be scanning the threat, not looking at your holster. Your day isn't over because you had to draw your handgun. You'll still have to get you and yours to a position of safety. You need to be able to holster with one hand, so your other hand can manage children, car doors, etc.
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2 hours ago, Golf battery said:For nra pistol instructor class. We have to shoot 18 of 20 rds in about an 8” circle. At 20 yards. Practice on that
Appendix A on page 35 has a typical New Jersey qualification course of fire.
https://nj.gov/lps/dcj/pdfs/dcj-firearms.pdf
While the course of fire is described using a semi-auto, you can easily meet the same time requirements using a revolver. I've done it many times.
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Appendix A on page 35 has a typical qualification course for New Jersey...
https://nj.gov/lps/dcj/pdfs/dcj-firearms.pdf
While the course of fire is described for using a semi-auto, you can easily meet the same time requirements using a revolver. I've done it many times.
I will also add that the above link shows a separate qualification for night time. On several occasions i have had to fire a standard course, with just one phase of it "night time." On an indoor range they would shut off the lights, on an outdoor range they gave a set of really dark goggles to wear.
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Assuming they keep the requirement for qualification, you will need a quality strong side belt holster that allows reholstering with one hand, without looking. You will also need a magazine holder/pouch for the weak side, along with a few extra magazines. I use Safariland paddle holsters. Very comfortable during an 8-12 hour day.
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1 hour ago, marlintag said:I have a holster draw qualification where an NRA certified instructor signed off, is that not sufficient?
It depends. A normal qualification is around 50-60 rounds, distances of 1 foot to 25 yards. Both tactical and magazine save reloads. It also has to be recent, like within 6 months of the application. You definitely need to have the serial number, make and model of the handgun on the paperwork.
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28 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:Let's keep this on topic tho, I don't want it to delve into the courts opinion.
We need to force this change around here and it starts with people following the prescribed process as it stands.
Are you willing to share where or with whom you do your qualifications?
I just checked with him. He's traveling most of the time as an expert witness and just doesn't have the time to take on new clients. (He's also getting long in the tooth).
Pretty much anyone doing RPO quals can run you through a course of fire. The problem is getting to the level of proficiency that you can just show up and run through.
Most folks will need a defensive handgunning course first.
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I recently renewed my carry permit for the 17th time (yes, that's 34 years).
Each time I have had to provide a recent qualification with the sidearm to be carried. I have also had to provide a new set of fingerprints (the ones in your SBI file don't count). The electronic ones are fine, but your local PD will need to assign you the investigation number in order to schedule it.
I suspect the SP will need to update the application form, once the SCOTUS ruling is sorted out.
Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade
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In the old days, my fingerprints had to be physically taken by the PD doing the background check. In this century, they have been done electronically at one of the Morpho places. However, in order to schedule a Morpho appointment, your PD has to give you an investigation number. It didn't matter that they have my prints on file in the FARS.