Grima Squeakersen
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On 6/3/2023 at 7:08 PM, Krdshrk said:I was simply quoting what Dan Schmutter said on the Gun for Hire Podcast - he explained Explicit permission vs Implied. Your line of thinking goes along with the state's which is incorrect, dangerous, and unconstitutional. The state tried to put forth that the default rule was actually to DENY permission to carry, unless explicitly granted, which Judge Bumb found to be unconstitutional.
If you are carrying in a private property owner's residence, and they somehow find out that you are carrying, they can revoke your permission... in which case you can leave or put the gun away and re-enter if they allow. If you refuse to leave, then you can be charged with trespassing.
I hope that is correct, but it doesn't seem to comport with my reading of what Bumb's wrote. IMO requiring explicit permission IS unconstitutional, along with a number of other things that came out of Bruen and that Bumb has apparently allowed the state of NJ to get away with. We could have had a far worse result than only allowing restrictions analogous to those that existed in 1789 & 1791, but I contend that the Consitution was meant to be read plainly and unambiguously, and that "shall not be infringed" means precisely that, no more, no less. In the meantime, I pretty much know how all of my friends and acquaintences view firearms, and for now I will probably base whether or not I carry on their premises accordingly.
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One vague area to me would be a quasi-private club that requires membership, but makes that membership available to anyone who applies, and/or holds functions where members may bring guests who are not members. Would that be considered public or private. I'm thinking primarily of two different types of properties: purchasing clubs such as BJs; and the local yacht club.
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On 5/31/2023 at 4:36 PM, Krdshrk said:If you are invited in you have explicit permission. You do not have to disclose that you're carrying. If the private property owner somehow finds out and revokes permission, you can go and lock it up in the car.
You are presuming that it would be up to the property owner to know or determine that you are carrying. I don't think that is consistent with what Judge Bumb ruled. "Explicit permission" pretty clearly implies the need for a request to me.
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On 5/29/2023 at 8:23 AM, Xtors said:https://gun.lawyer/episode-135-largest-gun-ban-in-usa/
So, this law, this absurd law, is turning uncountable numbers of New Jersey citizens, honest law-abiding citizens into potential felons....
Isn't that the entire rationale for PRNJ state government? While I do find this somewhat concerning, it also seems like the probabiliity for an ultimately favorable ruling in the post-Bruen court system is overwhelming. How many firearms had serial numbers in 1789 nor 1791?
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On 5/15/2023 at 7:06 PM, Dr. Goodshot said:One highly conspiratorial thought that occurred to me is that the website is fake and someone created it just to harass the person whose phone number is on it. You know, sort of like the way people write "For a good time call (phone number of someone you don't like)" on bathroom stalls.
A little crazy, I know, but not outside the bounds of possibility...Well, according to the domain inquiry at the Internet Corporation for ASsigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) "garrisongrip.com" has been continuously registered since January 5, 2012. That would be quite a long time for a prank, would it not?
Anyway, I managed to create my own version of the "Micro Trigger Stop Holster". It took me a good bit of research to visualize what I needed to do, and then track down standard parts to execute that, but I'm quite happy with the results.
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1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:I can understand the policy. I have heard of plenty of qualification courses of fire that have been used to obtain a carry permit, but had no element of safe holster use included. Having a permit to carry in a holster does not equate to proof of any level of knowledge or ability on safe use of a holster.
I don't see why a range should get a pass on that, when we would be castigating a store that prohibited carry for the same reason.
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47 minutes ago, Downtownv said:I just wanted to weigh in here, since this is where I took my PTC courses and quals. They do indeed have holster draw as part of their training. If you trained and passed there, you can carry as well as holster draw at their range. I can't respond to those who didn't train there.
That was Range 129 in Absecon? Their policy doesn't say anything about that. In fact, their policy states that you cannot bring a firearm in unless unloaded and in a locked case. Maybe they don't enforce that, I will need to contact them to see.
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4 hours ago, YankeeSC said:I suspect the initial number from the widget is not Garrison Grips, and the real person on the other end is tired of getting these messages.
Well, the number I received the eff off text from was 520-906-4581, the same number posted for CS on the Garrison Grips web site (and the number the widget instructed me to call). So, unless someone has managed to find and exploit a huge vulnerability in the phone number id system, your suspicion would be incorrect...
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5 minutes ago, Dr. Goodshot said:That is very strange. What is weird is, when you go to their site, the customer service number is listed very prominently in a large font at the top of their page. And customer service is the first link at the top of the page. No other site does all that. It looks like they really want you to call them, only so they can tell you to eff off....
I guess it might have been because it was Sunday afternoon, but that isn't my problem, they are responsible for how their site works and programming it not to put messages through on week-ends, if that is what they want. I never would have even considered trying to call a vendor's CS number on Sunday, if their site hadn't prompted me to do so. Not exactly what I consider great customer service, even by the current pathetic standards...
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It isn't exactly the same as prohibiting carry in a store, but what does everyone think about ranges that require any handgun used there to be unloaded and cased upon entering the facility? I have found one recently that appears not to recognize the existence of real concealed carry in NJ, Range 129 near Absecon. A few others seem to not allow drawing a loaded weapon at te facility. I suspect some of these rules predate the effect of Bruen on concealed carry here, but also I think the ranges need to catch up with the times.
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I didn't see any other place appropriate to this, so I started the topic here under "general". Mods feel free to relocate it. I recently purchased my first semi-auto handgun (previously used only revolvers), a sub-compact model that is striker-fired and lacks a safety. I have ordered an IWB holster, but I currently have a soft pocket holster that fits it (and my pocket, with it) nicely. The only problem with that holster is that, while it does shield the trigger, it is pretty soft, and I could see a remote possibility of depressing the trigger while putting it in to (or pulling it out of) my pocket. I did some on-line research, and discovered some safety devices that wedge behind the trigger that I was interested in trying, at least until I became more accustomed to the gun . Most were for Glocks, but I found one that fits a different but very similar model of the same brand handgun I bought, called the SAF-T-BLOK trigger block safety, from an outfit called Garrison Grips in Arizona. On 2 or 3 occasions over a couple of weeks, I tried to ask them if any of the examples would fit my model handgun, using the inquiry form on their web page. Never got an answer. Yesterday, I decided to send an email to their listed contact address asking the same question. While copying that address, I noticed that there was a widget on their web site featuring a telephone icon, that announced "Talk with Stephen Pagac?". I opened that, and it requested that I enter my phone # to request a call back. I did so, and immediately received a text message to call 520-906-4581, which is the number for Garrison Grips listed on the web site. I texted back "Will do". I immediately received a text from the Garrison Grip number, telling me to "F**K OFF" (without the asterisk mask). I texted back asking if he was Stephen from Garrison Grips, and how he justified that rude a reply to a contact that he had invited. I never received an answer to that question, so I reported the number as SPAM and blocked it this morning. Why anyone would want to deal with Garrison Grips or this unreasonable, rude idiot Stephen, I have no idea, but I strenuously recommend against it.
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19 hours ago, father-of-three said:Colion Noir mentioned it on one of his sites. He said the defensive use of a firearm ranged from 60,000 to 2.5 million per year.
Should have written "posted here"... :)
19 hours ago, CMJeepster said:It's been posted before, but I can't seem to find it.
That's what I thought. Could be the indexing or search engine on the site is not optimal.
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List of NJ Businesses posting 'No Guns' signs
in Current New Jersey Gun Laws Discussion
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I agree with that 100%. One reason for my posting this was to suggest to CCW holders that they might want to begin such a conversation.
**EDITED** to add - IIRC, Shooters has a sign on the inside door that says that loaded firearms may not be unholstered on the prermises, which is a bit different.