Walkinguf61

It is required for a new permit, not a renewal. NYC and the other counties mentioned don’t do renewals but technically a new permit each time Can you show me a link that the officer can’t change holsters without doing a requal? I just read this whole thing. https://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf There is nothing in it about holsters other than using an agency/department approved holster WHEN QUALIFYING. You can switch holsters . And if your off duty is your service gun or nearly identical— you don’t have to qualify with it if your department agrees.

I dont know why guys are fretting about the holster draw. You can wear an OWB belt holster for the qualification. Cops requalification for service or off duty does not dictate what holster the cop can carry in the future. Many cops carry a back up/off duty on their vest holsters while on duty. But they do not qualify from it.. The type of holster isn’t even recorded to my knowledge even in NJ on the requal sheet. But I wasn’t an NJ cop so correct me if I am wrong but I haven’t seen or read anything that would tell me otherwise.

In NYC, to renew ( technically apply again) a carry permit, the 16 hour class is required with some exceptions.

New York is already there. People who had their permits for decades have to take the 16 hour course.

Scalia went into it. Just your own words” they didn’t do much training “ ie meaning they did some. And what was the standard to join the unit if any? Maybe just the ability to shoot and load a rifle . Scalia went into some of it as well as the court cases of historical text and tradition. There are records.

It meant that too. I am basing my opinion from Scilica’s opinion of the meaning of the words from watching many interviews with him on the subject. Were the militia as it was defined then required to gather for training ? The answer is yes. The type of training isn’t limited to what they did back then . Muskets weren’t marksmanship weapons. As long as the training maximum is to minimum that of an armed agent of the state directly related to that firearm and realistic purpose, what’s the issue? I have to pass the minimum police firearm standard each year. An 80 year old retired cop was next to me on the firing line ( it’s NY standards) and we both passed. The only issue I have with the NJ standard is the kneeling or standing requirement. What if you are in a wheelchair?

Agreed. The “ well regulated “ part meant training in 1790s. As long it’s not more than a police officer , it’s not an issue with exception of physical movement like kneeling. It’s not that hard of a standard.

That was not because a road is considered government property. It’s because a car is place of easy movement and the dangers of car stops. I point out that I can carry under LEOSA in all 50 states and DC. The exception to where I can not carry without permission is government property. But I can drive or walk on a public road armed. It’s a public road but not government property in this context . There are plenty of other laws that have “ on government property “ restrictions or enhancements that don’t apply if even the act is committed on a public street . But there are laws about guns in cars even on private property

Carrying in cars has nothing to do with public roads . A lot of car carrying restrictions also apply even if the car is on private property.

That is not my understanding. Roads are not considered state property in this context. Even in the hearings for the law, people would be allowed to carry on the street but if they accidentally stepped on someone’s property , it would be a felony.

That’s the beauty of having him as opposed to Sotomeyer. The 3rd circuit knows he might grant that emergency appeal . And if the 3rd rules wrong, it could be fast tracked for consideration as opposed to what happened in the 2nd circuit.

He tossed out that section based on its not in the history it tradition under Bruen

It’s not going 5 years especially if the 3rd circuit keeps the injunction in place. The appeal only covers the PI. The judge will turn around and give a permanent injunction of some type after the appeal just like what happened in NY. The 3d circuit is overseen by Justice Alito , not Sotomeyer like the 2nd circuit is.

Guys , I have had a quick read . Health care facilities are NOT open. The plaintiff only had standing to their specfic doctor /medical facility. The following were ruled as not having standing: general hospital, kidney care facilities, nursing homes , outpatient etc etc.[ I can’t get the cut and paste to work on the document.]. The good news was it was just an issue of standing— and he excused the plaintiffs from specific doctor offices. So a new plaintiff who has to go to hospital Ms on a regular basis might win the case. my reading of the default rule( the default is the owner bans guns unless they say otherwise new rule) is that judge said it does not conform to the history and tradition of the 2nd ( page 144) parks and playgrounds are the same as the TRO— page 172 youth events — same as TRO— off limits page 179 Libraries , Casinos etc — can carry from my reading of it I could be wrong so don’t go by me

Or you tell everyone to presume you are armed and if you aren’t invited in, they invite your gun.

I can’t say this can legally happen in NJ but if California is similar enough, the AG turned down the defense of a law that would require the plaintiffs to pay the state of CA the whole legal bill if they lost one part of their case but won all the others. The governor then had his lawyer attempt to defend the law . And lost . But it was legal to have an outside council defend the law.

I’m counting on NJ because of that, that it goes thru justice Alito to get to SCOTUS and NJ went full retard on it

That helps. When my weight is on the low side for me, I have no trouble concealing G26. When I get a little fatter, I either go to single stack or get bigger pants. I also have a holster/belt/band systems for when I wear sweatpants. Some systems and positions are better than others . I have boxes of holsters, not just drawers full, that I have collected over the years.

No, but it can get you in to trouble. Both with the general population and the police. A 911 call “ man with gun” is one— I will let you ponder all the ways that can go bad.

And don’t forget about bullet setback .

Wearing a pants size bigger helps and loose fitting shirts are a big help. Being comfortable is important. What would telegraph someone was wearing a gun was when they had to adjust it after moving or getting up. There is a reason people wear flannel shirts. The pattern breaks up the outline of the gun. A good belt is a must to keep the “ droop” on the belt from happening. I tell you this from experience of both carrying myself and making gun arrests .

The answer is no. It’s not postal properly or in control of the postal service . There is case law on this . From the 10th circuit “Bonidy” case involving the postal reg and the parking lot: “The Court offered two approaches which it could find that the prohibition was constitutional. First, it looked at the layout of the parking lot, finding that it was attached to the postal building and was for the exclusive use of it. “

It basically means that an accidental unintentional exposure means the police officer, prosecutors, or the judge don’t have to act on it as a crime.

Concealed only unless LE or security guard

Incorrect. The decision only affects the federal ban and not an individual state. But affects the entire federal enforcement until there is a split . And the other circuits ruled on bump stocks themselves as where the case in the 5th circuit went after how the rule was made . Im not a lawyer so don’t take my interpretation as gospel.