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Is there a good gunsmith in the Northern NJ area that would be able to do this kind of work?
For reference, here is a Zastava PAP:
http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f19/24335d1296228114-zastava-pap-w-pic-zastava.jpg
This is the comp:
http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=15
Thanks!
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Yeah they're russian for sure. Audio quality is garbage.
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Does anyone know if any of teh Tapco Forends fit on teh PAP?
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Post pictures of your new PAP
and as far as a brake with 7.62x39 I feel its not worth teh work.
if you do dont forget to weld it
I will, as soon as I get teh chance.
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I bought a Zastava PAP from Master Arms LLC (Sloatsburg, NY) last weekend. Its a great little gun shop, I recommend you check it out if you haven't already. I put about 500 rounds through so far and its awesome.
I have been looking at some options for a replacement forend. I read on a few forums that the UTG Yugo M70 Quad Rail fits perfectly. I am wondering if any of the Tapco Intrafuse forends will fit, I prefer plastic over metal to keep the rifle light. I was also thinking of threading and pinning a muzzle break on the barrel.
Any thoughts on the above mentioned upgrades?
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raden,
hows come you dont like da 40? ya, you guessed it - i have a 40.
thanks
I don't have anything against it, I just think its expensive to shoot on a regular basis on my budget.
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14.5" barrel makes sense when you want to have a muzzle brake at the 16" minimum limit we are allowed. Otherwise you can go with a 16" barrel, and the perm-installed muzzle device would make it 17.5".. obviously.
This is why I'm really digging the 14.5" + permanent brake.
I agree that a complete DIY job, where you are installing your own barrel, gas block/tube, etc... one may want to reconsider putting on anything other than a full length gas system due to the potential gas system tuning that may need to be done (unless you know how to do it and are comfortable). If you are buying a complete middy upper from a company like Noveske or BCM, I'm willing to bet they have these puppies tuned to be as near-trouble free as full length systems.
I decided that I will build the first upper with a 16" mid-length and pinned brake.
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Well, like most things you hear at gunshops, its bullshyt. If you want one, buy it. But don't buy one because someone says it'll go full auto on you and you'll go to jail.
Agreed, I just though I would throw it out there.
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Um, proof of said post.
I didn't read it in a post, one of the females at BH mentioned it.
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I've seen it for sale at the BH. I also hear that there was some sort of mfgr. defect that allowed it to fire in bursts.
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There are so many options my head is spinning, and the BCM upper I want is out of stock
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I think I will look into buying a new Px4 9mm. I will sell my 40 after that.
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Sounds good. In the end get what makes you happy. That's a very nice lower.
Pinning the MOE is easy, here is a vid doing the CTR, same concept with MOE. Vid
You are doing it the right way. Get the pinning done before you take shipment of the upper.
Thanks!!! I just hope the ST lower and that BCM upper fit nice and tight!
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Tons of instructions on the net how to pin an MOE yourself. Build looks solid.
Yeah I will probably end up doing that myself I will get the lower parts first before I get the upper.
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Raden, is that a billet lower kit? Saw it on Spike's site. Pretty pricey.
You could get a Spike's lower from Aimsurplus.com for $79 (if they still have them).
Also, IMO the CTR is a waste of money as you will be pinning it anyway. Take a look at the MOE.
Check out Palmetto State Armory's lower build kits. You can even get them with a Geissele trigger if you want : http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/lower-build-kits.php
You're right its costly.
They have one without the stock,I like the design of the ST lower. Besides the Biohazard logo, it seems very functional
Biohazard Lower w/ Enhanced Kit - No Stock
Features
Biohazard Logo
Bullet Pictogram Selector Markings
Low Shelf, RDIAS Compatible
ST Enhanced LPK
-Spike's Billet Trigger guard w/Set screw
-KNS Gen II Mod II Anti-Rotation pins
-Spider Logo'd Ergo grip (Choose from Black, FDE, or OD Green)
-ST Battle trigger with Nickel Boron Coated Mil-Spec Single Stage Trigger, Disconnect, and Rounded hammer
-Ambi Safety Selector
-Mil-Spec bolt catch, mag catch, and mag catch button
-Mil-Spec detents, plungers, pins, and springs
-Quality Spiral roll pins for trigger guard and bolt catch
-1/4 Allen screw with washer for grip
6-Position Buffer Tube, Castle Nut, Staked Latch Plate
17-4 Stainless Buffer Spring
ST-T2 Buffer
No Stock Included
ST Ergo Pistol Grip
I can buy and pin the MOE stock and have it pinned anyway.
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OK, my $0.02 on the original build list.
SPikes billet upper and lower are as good as any other, but WHY?
Once you take out looking cool, the only reason for a billet upper is precision, and you get that by having it be more rigid and being machined to tight tolerances with true faces and concentric openings. Which is all well and good, but you then pair it with a 14.5" barrel. Which basically means an m-4 style fake. Which has to be 16" long in the end anyway. The only reason for a billet lower is... well to look cool, or for a really nice match to your billet upper. Yeah, you can get a flared mag well, but an arredondo mag well has a bigger opening than any of the billet lowers I have run into.
So do you want light, or accurate. For light, I'd go with a good forged upper and lower with tension screw from any good manufacturer (firebird are good and reasonably priced, but there are many out there). For accurate, I'd go for any of the tons of matched billet uppers and lowers. For a compromise, whcih is what I actually did for my own, I'd get a decent forged lower with a tension screw, and I'd get something like the rainier arms billet upper. It's almost as light as a forged upper, but it is very well machined and not insanely priced.
Then there's the barrel. Why 14.5"? You lose velocity and accuracy. Most 14.5" barrels are cut like an m-4, which means the grenade launcher cut, which is something nobody persuing accuracy would do to a barrel. So why not just a light 16" barrel? Additionally, with a 16" you can go for a mid-length gas system, whcih will help mellow out recoil This will help with accuracy and speed on follow up shots.
Battlecomp 1.5 - the emphasis on these are making the noise go forward rather than being a comp. In my experience, unless you are near walls, it doesn't matter that much and I'd jsut get a comp. If you want something short on your 16" to keep overall length short, the nordic components tactical comp is short and pretty damn effective for it's size. It's also only $35.
Piston system - just don't bother. The biggest problem with the AR platform for reliability is the fact that the dust cover doesn't close itself, and crap can get in. I've shot a lot of wolf through my gun, which isn't very clean, and 1200 rounds without a cleaning caused no issue, and wasn't even that hard to de-crapify after the fact.
Spikes MP tested bolt assembly. It's GTG if you believe spikes is actually doing what they say regarding testing. There's a giant pissing contest over that form various makers right now. but a HPT/MPI bolt carrier group is a good thing.
Mil-spec trigger. Good god no. Just no. If you were building a bargain basement gun sure. Something like the Geissele Super Semi-Automatic is a good reliable trigger for the money.
Pinned CTR stock. I'm not a fan of pinning collapsible stocks. Because at that point you have a fixed stock, and if I'm going to ahve a fixed stock anyway, I have to ask what I am compromising on. First, I could just go with a rifle length tube and buffer. What would I get for this? 1 - no messing around with buffer weight guessing. The rifle length buffer is heavier than the carbines, and will absorb a harsh gas impulse. The spring is less beefy and longer, which means a more gradual return to battery. Go midlength gas system and rifle length buffer assembly, and you ahve a NJ compliant carbine with a rifle like recoil impulse. Wieght with arfx stock and rifle assembly is about 19.02 ounces. A ctr with carbine H2 assembly is 18.36 ounces. It's very close in weight. The only reason I'd even consider a pinned stock is if I were going to seriously commit to practicing with a sling and wanted to use something like the magpul ASAP.
7" lite rail. Go midlength on the gas system, and get a midlenght or full length rail. I recommend full length. If you brace it in a port, you want to be able to avoid burying yourself in the port, and you want to not use the abrrel to brace the rifle, but the free floated forearm. This reasoning is why you see a mess of dissipator style builds, and a lot of backup iron front sights are set up to be mounted on a forearm rather than on a gas block.
BCM gunfighter medium chagring handle. Big yes on this. An awesome part worth every penny.
MIAD grip is good, so are others. If you have big hands, MIAD is probably the best fit when set up right, and has decent storage that stays securely closed.
Thanks for the input, very interesting. I don't like the full stock, it just feels bulky to me. Can you tell me why a standard trigger is so bad? I picked the battlecomp for it's recoil reduction abilities.
Here is what I put together so far...
BCM BFH 14.5"" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12"" Handguard
w/ Muzzle Device:Add Battle Comp BC 1.5 Black (Permanent Install)
Spike's Tactical Biohazard Lower w/ Enhanced Kit - Black CTR Stock & MOE Grip
BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto
BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle (5.56mm/.223) w/ Mod 4 (MEDIUM) Latch
Magpul ASAP Ambidextrous Sling Attachment Point
Magpul AFG2 (Angle Forward Grip 2) - Foliage Green
Magpul AR-15/M16 MBUS SIGHT SYSTEM
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Is there such a thing out there yet?
I love the Px4, I should have got mine in 9mm though.
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OK....I like BCM-Gunfighter charging handle. As a LEFTY shooter I like the ambi-safety though I am not sure what it offers to a right handed shooter. In a pinch I can operate right handed safety just fine so I would imagine a RH shooter forced to shoot lefty could do the same.
I do not see much of a point to everything else on the list aside from it being cool looking/sounding/trendy.
I see your point, I am working on revising the list anyways.
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That's the same one I have on my gun, just I have the PWS brake welded on. I'm impressed with mine so far. Going to be shooting it tomorrow for the first time! Don't forget to add the BCG to it if you go with it.
Is this the one you have? BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto
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I was told that if you can't say something nice, you should not say anything at all.
No comment.
:ph34r:
Go for it
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BTW, here is a link to my post in the pics thread:
Awesome gun!
How is this upper?
BCM BFH 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12" Handguard with the BattleComp 1.5 pinned.
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Regarding reliability in extreme fouling conditions and piston AR's
Read this:
http://www.bravocomp...thy14_oct10.pdf
The common theme on the inets around AR and reliability all stem down to one statement - Not all AR's are built equally
To me piston systems are more of a science experiment in AR land. For a SHTF gun, I would not want to be experimenting with anything, and will want tried, combat proven, and time-tested systems.
I would also consider a target of owning both a quality AR and AK styled rifle. Parts are abound for both platforms, and both have their merits. Nice to be able to use two of the most common types of ammunition available out there, 5.56 NATO and 7.62x39.
Perhaps tone down your custom build here a bit for cost savings where it makes sense. Using traditional DI setup over the piston kit, and going with a quality forged upper/lower instead of billet will shave off enough $ to nearly net you a nice Saiga conversion in 7.62x39.
What receiver would you recommend?
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Regarding reliability in extreme fouling conditions and piston AR's
Read this:
http://www.bravocomp...thy14_oct10.pdf
The common theme on the inets around AR and reliability all stem down to one statement - Not all AR's are built equally
To me piston systems are more of a science experiment in AR land. For a SHTF gun, I would not want to be experimenting with anything, and will want tried, combat proven, and time-tested systems.
I would also consider a target of owning both a quality AR and AK styled rifle. Parts are abound for both platforms, and both have their merits. Nice to be able to use two of the most common types of ammunition available out there, 5.56 NATO and 7.62x39.
Perhaps tone down your custom build here a bit for cost savings where it makes sense. Using traditional DI setup over the piston kit, and going with a quality forged upper/lower instead of billet will shave off enough $ to nearly net you a nice Saiga conversion in 7.62x39.
Very good point, I feel the same way. I will do some research into a quality DI system.
Any suggestions for parts?
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Why a piston? Are you aware of just how reliable a DI AR is when properly set up? You do realize that in SHTF you will not be able to find parts for a non-standard AR.
Read these links before buying any piston gun. I have nothing against piston guns, as long as they were designed with pistons in mind. The AR was not. Eugene Stoner intended the AR platform to be SIMPLER and MORE RELIABLE than the prevailing piston setups of the time. He had a chance to improve his platform one last time with Reed Knight, and he did by making the bolt bulletproof and calling it a century.
I was all set to buy a piston gun before reading the second article. It totally changed my perception. A lot of the hype surrounding piston guns was created to sell piston guns.
I have read those in the past, and I somewhat agree with what you're saying about DI in a SHTF scenario.
Threading Barrel and Pinning JTAC-47 comp on a Zastava PAP
in AK Variant Discussion
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Thanks!