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  1. Posted

    What are folks using these days to get "4 color passport sized photos" for the application? Last time I did that was for my passport at least 10-15 years ago. Do those little photo booths still exist? Are there on line services who will convert a selfie from your smart phone into passport size photos and snail-mail them back?

    Thanks in advance,

    -Joe

  2. Posted

    9 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

    I'm scheduled for the end of July, waiting on a handgun and want to shoot a little before the qual.

    I'm curious if after you apply, can you simply qualify with another handgun without reapplying for the permit itself?

    I'm still learning but I think the answer is you can qualify with as many guns as you want (each requiring a test). I do not believe another permit application is required. But you need that "certificate" for each gun in a sad event if you have to use it in court after a SD shoot...I am going to use my 9mm (they are easier to shoot obviously) for the permit process and qualify later with my 45.

  3. Posted

    On 7/1/2022 at 12:56 PM, LineItem said:

    The qualification was very organized and straightforward according to the specifics in the statute for ranges (7yds-25yds). There was a safety briefing and we were also given a signable use of force document to turn in if requested by the PD. 

    Please note - in my 13 port line; I saw at least three people fail. They missed the Q target. The instructor went to them once they missed a few at 7 yds and warned them that they would fail if they kept missing. They essentially failed in the first 25 rounds or so.

    My score was 94%. 

    Did they start you at 7 yards? And what was the nature of the timing? Was it separate for each distance? (About) how much time did they give at say 7 yards vs 25 yards?

    Thanks in advance!

  4. Posted

    5 hours ago, Combat Auto said:

    Hey folks, I am somewhat confused by Nappen's list of requirements to prove safe handling of a firarm (listed below)...Are both 1 and 2 required, or does #2: The Handgun Qualification passing score cover everything?

    Thanks in Advance,

    Joe

    1. "Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j;
    2. Submission of an applicant’s most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or
    3. Passage of any test in this State’s laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor."

     

    Never Mind, I got my answer, I called GFH, if you pass the shooting qual no other training or testing needed.

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  5. Posted

    Just found this on GFH:

    This is not a beginner course! You will be required to demonstrate safety, familiarity, and accuracy. It is pass or fail.
    – No holster needed
    – All shooting from the ready position
    – 50 rounds per firearm
    – FBI Q target
    – 24 rounds at 7 yards
    – 14 rounds at 10 yards
    – 6 rounds at 15 yards
    – 6 rounds at 25 yards
    For a total of 50 rounds. Must hit at least 40 rounds out of 50 (80%)...

    Only 6 rounds at 25 yards makes this pretty easy for folks who have been shooting for many years...But as noted by another poster, there doesn't seem to be common standards across all ranges.

    Still, I will practice this (routine) with my 9MM PPQ. I have a 1/2 body type target from Wilson with a 7" circle etched on the body. Later I'll qual with my 45.

     

  6. Posted

    Hey folks, I am somewhat confused by Nappen's list of requirements to prove safe handling of a firarm (listed below)...Are both 1 and 2 required, or does #2: The Handgun Qualification passing score cover everything?

    Thanks in Advance,

    Joe

    1. "Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j;
    2. Submission of an applicant’s most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or
    3. Passage of any test in this State’s laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor."

     

  7. Posted

    9 hours ago, Regular Guy said:

    I've used references from Delaware for my FID card and for multiple handgun purchase permits since I live in Salem County and used to work just over the bridge.  Never had a problem with it.  I would think they would accept the same for CCW but the only way to be sure would be to ask what ever department you are applying through. 

    Thanks...Sounds right...Two close friends living near me moved last year, another died either of phenonium or COVID 2 years ago...I may have to use a friend from Staten Island for reference 3...I have other friends who just don't "get" 2A so I'd rather not ask them (they been brainwashed).

  8. Posted

    18 hours ago, Mr.Stu said:

    HQC = Handgun Qualification Course (of fire)

    There are 2 versions, hence HQC1 & HQC2.

    HNQC = Handgun Night Qualification Course (of fire)

    This is the low-light course of fire.

     

    Can anyone confirm that it is acceptable to the State'NJ that a person living in another state can be used as a reference on the carry permit application?

    Thanks in Advance.

  9. Posted

    1 hour ago, High Exposure said:

    Yes. This is what the Q Targets look like. Scoring is simple - in the white is a hit, in the gray is a miss. 

    UwYjYRS.jpg 

    The head was a HQC2 (50 rounds, 25 yards and in to 1 yd) and HNQC (40 rounds,15 yards and in to 1yd with a handheld light) for 2 RDS equipped pistols - G19 and G48. (180 rounds total)

    The body is a HQC2 and HNQC for 6 guns including a G34, G17, G48, 2” j frame, 1911, and a Ruger LCP .380. The Ruger was the hardest to qual with and account for the low belly hits at the 25. (540 rounds total)

    Keep in mind there is a support hand shooting at 5 yards where you have to fire two or three pairs (2 pairs for HQC2, 3 pairs for HQC1) with your support hand.

    Like Stu said, it is not much of a challenge and it isn’t training. It’s merely a test of the most basic of marksmanship and manipulation skills. Being able to ace this does not mean you are a steely eyed gunslinger. Only that you likely won’t shoot yourself in the hand or foot.

    For actual training - B8, IPSC/IDPA, VTAC, MSP, or any target with a smaller scoreable area (A box or smaller) is a must if working pure accuracy. Look online and there are lots of free targets and drills online.

    I "get" the target, but could you clarify, is this a police qualification (the high round count, the many guns, and weapon light)? What does HQc2 and HNQC stand for?

    Thanks in advance.

  10. Posted

    50 minutes ago, KurtC said:

    Every  qual I have used has been 80% minimum.  You usually get two chances.  If you pass on the first round, ask if you can use a different handgun for the second.  Make sure they put both handguns on your paperwork.

    Thanks you!

  11. Posted

    10 minutes ago, KurtC said:

    For the civilian permit, you only need to qualify when you apply or renewal, which is every 2 years.

    If you decide to carry a different handgun, qualify on your own and keep a copy for your records.  You will need it prove proficiency with that particular sidearm in the event of a shooting.

    If the qual is 60 rounds, the standard Q target is 5 points or 0, hit or miss.  Divide your total point by three.  If it is the Q target with the inner circles and the outside border.  The circles are 5, the bowling pin is 4 and the border is 3.  Outside the border is 0.  Add up and divide by 3. 

     

    Thanks for the information! What is the passing score on the 2 scenarios you presented?

  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, Mr.Stu said:

    The HQC1, HQC2 & HNQC call for an FBI Q target. It approximates an average sized head & torso. Any shot within the outline counts as a hit. Basically the hit zone is huge! It is not really a good test of combat effectiveness.

     

    2 hours ago, KurtC said:

    The FBI Q target represents the vital areas of the body where a hit is most likely to stop a threat.  It sort of looks like a bowing pin.    The standard one is hit or miss.   There are variations with circles in the head and chest that may be worth more points and ones on a larger silhouette where hits outside the bowling pin are worth lesser points.

     

    I spoke to my neighbor last night who is a retired Corrections Officer, yep he did say that it is a silhouette type target (and that years ago they used the more stringent oval with points increasing closer to the X...He also told me the max shot is 50 feet (also shorter than years ago). And he said as long as you hit the target you get 1 point...These make it a relatively easy shoot, but he did caveat that it can change from year to year and even btwn different Qual-Officers who are running the test.

    He also said, and I was surprised at this, that he has to qualify 2X a year, I figured once a year...Can anyone confirm it is also 2X a year or not for those who are not retired cops?

  13. Posted

    1 hour ago, 338lover said:

    I qualified using Corey at safetyman.co

     

    hes amazing and in NJ 

    That looks good thanks for posting...He has a 2 part set up, part 1 NJ AG use of deadly force policy, and part 2 a qual...Did you take both these with them and do these cover all the training needed for the CCW.

    Thanks in Advance...

  14. Posted

    6 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

    Nothing is certain right now other than "they" revised the form.  There's debate taking place as to whether or not "we" rush the stage now, or wait to see what comes of all of this in the coming weeks.  Personally, I've got my up-to-date application filled out, references lined up and documentation printed.  I don't feel comfortable submitting yet as I fear this:  

    I've been feeling the same way (in honesty after the initial "adrenaline-rush" to get it)...I am not filling out any forms yet. I have to do the training and qualification. I just called Shore-Shot on that NJST list you posted. You press the buttons and you come to a recording stipulating "for retired police officers" call. So I couldn't even ask my question if they take us that were not cops...Well eventually, we will have an infrastructure of people selling courses and quals to the rest of us as the demand grows. I'm just trying to lean the basic steps for now.

     

  16. Posted

    On 6/25/2022 at 9:22 PM, KurtC said:

     

    If you have shot LE qualifications in the past, you can probably convince one of the RPO instructors to run you thru the HQC.  It's about 2 hours.  Figure on $100-200.

    If you've never shot an LE qualification before, it will have to be a training as well.  That's probably one or two full days and I am sure any courses are filling up fast.  Individual training will cost $1-2k.  Group training will be more cost effective.

    There are several firearms training centers in NJ.  Try google.

    I have been googling since Saturday with no luck - yes, lots of people selling course, not much mention that their courses meet the requirements for Carry in NJ (I think there was such a small market for it here so that is the result for now)....I also sent an e-mail to my range to see if they are going to sponsor the required Training class and/or actual Qualification shoot (of course for a fee, we are not Communists :-))...Hence if you have names of places already supporting the Carry Permit process training and qualification, it would be greatly appreciated (I am sure by many)  if you could kindly post them.

  17. Posted

    Congratulations NJ Gun owners. The Naysayers have been telling us for many years this day would never come in NJ, yet on Thursday and Friday it did. I especially like how fast the NJ AG complied.

    Obviously, I need to listen into this thread.

    C.A.

  18. Posted

    Good step for CA, Lefty will ask for a full panel now, which I understand is 11 judges randomly selected from the 9th circuit. Luck of the draw, can go either way, but unlikely any lefty judge will side with "us", and always a possibility that a rhino judge will side with "them". Pray, maybe we will get lucky in the random "drawing" and have the odds on our side.

    Forget the SC, they just refused to take 11 or so gun cases including our NJ carry case. The appellate courts will decide the legal future of 2A unless POTUS gets to appoint another Justice in TERM#2...That is the reality...Thanks to Trump we have a fighting chance in the Appellate's but still just a chance.

  19. Posted

    On 1/10/2020 at 2:02 PM, nj2Asupport said:

    The 2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement started here in New Jersey on Dec. 23rd 2019.  Please see our website nj2asanctuary.com or your county's Facebook page. On Facebook search your county's name followed by 2A Sanctuary. example  Cumberland County 2A Sanctuary.

     

    Thanks for posting this link, I haven't seen a consolidated sight like this for NJ so it is a very positive thing.

    Please don't take the negativity above as a reason to be discourage. Just standard BS with NJ it seems, even when ANJRPC started the law suits for the 10R limit and carry rights, folks bitched and complained about donating, how crappy our lawyers are, what a waste of time it is, and how some are so smart because they moved...

    Maybe that is the difference btwn us an VA. More bitching than action up here.

    Although I don't expect we will match what they did down there, all efforts Pro-2A are good, so keep up the good work!

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  20. Posted

    VA-Patriots are the real deal...Organized, coordinated, approximately 90% Sanctuary 2A for the entire state, forming militia, local-cops, sheriffs on their side, a lot different then NJ. VA has a significant gun culture. Basically they are telling the Evil-Governor, you want them "come and take them", and I believe they mean it.

    Consider joining the VCDL if you have a few bucks (only 25$). VA is the modern-day acid test to see if citizen's can resist communist-state tyranny in our country (VA will not be the last state to be flipped left due to demographic changes in this country). Although I don't think here in NJ we will ever duplicate what they are doing there (I am still waiting for the NJ republican party and my state senator and assembly-person's to get back to me on my Sanctuary 2A request for my township - lol), a win for the VA-Patriots will be a win for all of us, if they pull it off.

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  24. Posted

    12 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

    After the Cohen hearings taking place today, it's obvious they will resort to nothing to injure or destroy the President, his family  or  our present way of life under the US Constitution....understand, there is no line they won't cross even if it means collapsing the present Gov't or murdering babies after birth.....this is who they are and who y'all are dealing with....omo....what's next when the states decide to disarm us bit by bit......hello Socialism.

     

    Yep...They were quite pathetic, the Lefty's did them selves no favor. The Republican's for once did an outstanding job calling out the charade in general, and getting M.C. to admit to his true intentions: Book deals and Paid-Guest appearances. 

  25. Posted

    25 minutes ago, chic013 said:

    I think it's SCOTUS or bust.  What else really is there?  Aside from moving to a "free state", which is in the plans for me sometime down the road but that shouldn't be the way.  Disgrace all around.  

    That just about sums it up. Unfortunately, we aren't using our full 5,000,000 NRA member's to affect. Nobody wants to do anything until the crap washes up on their shore. Well, I tell my friends outside NJ, it (the crap) is coming soon to a town near you.

    BTW, I haven't been able to find this statistic, but does anyone know how many NRA member's we have in NJ?.

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