Chvl67
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Day 75 and still counting on change of address and 1 P2P. Wife initial FPID and 2 P2Ps. When she dropped off the money to add the 2nd P2P, was told that all info was back from the investigation unit. But was told that it takes another 6 weeks until Fuentes feels like signing his goddamn name.
Spoke with and emailed Senator Mike Doherty last week-seeing what they can do.
I've had it with these jerkoffs. Zero respect from me.
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Hour number 1776, day 74, week 10 waiting on Kingwood SP barracks.
I don't know how anyone can say this is acceptable or explainable without lies. Barracks called me last night for neighbor's reference. When I asked about mine and the wife's-he ga e me the number for division headquarters.
There needs to be accountability, and no more of this "we'll call you" crap.
If they don't like it, get out of the middle of out of the process completely.
NICS should be sole source of purchase requirement. Period.
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I just pissed myself. Thanks-I needed the laugh after my car blowing up today, and having to take a day off work to go talk to the Trenton idiots next week.he has to sit in the car, alone, with his hands folded and his head down. he is not allowed to enter the store, or to talk to anyone in the parking lot. when you bring the gun home, he must be separate from the gun and ammo. he needs to be in the trunk, with his hands securely tired or fastened. you must also inform every cop, passing car or pedestrian that you are carrying a firearm and a non-FID holder. separately. you may then only speak to him again at a range, under supervision, separate from the gun and ammo.
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I.....DON'T.....CARE....This is not my problem. The United States in general has become almost exclusively a "service based" industry. With such "service"--there is an expectation of a "service delivery". There are things called "service standards". Because NJSP has "higher volumes" is no excuse. This state really thinks we're stupid for putting up with this, and laughs at us every single time. If this was how I treated any clients that my team "serviced", I would have been out of a job a long time ago--you either need to deal with the volume accordingly, or CHANGE THE PROCESS so the volumes CAN be accommodated. People keep telling me when I say that I'm planning on packing up and moving to "stay and fight", but what fight is there to be had? We've made absolutely zero progress, and are going backwards.No doubt they have larger volumes- NJSP handles polcing for 22 municipalities, and should be staffed accordingly, but obviolusly either they aren't staffed properly, they aren't doing their job, or some combination of the two. If they are not staffed properly, then this is a known issue to "brass" and nothing is being done about it.This is a difficult battle for those of us who have to use NJSP as it's tough to get those who are getting their permits in a few weeks to jump on board and do something about this. I've had a pistol paid for since December.
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It's not amazing--It's simple insanity. The excuse is that they're dealing with "larger volumes" than local PD's, but every single local PD still needs to go through....NJSP. Day F'n 60 as of today--They already prepped me/the wife not to expect until at least day 100. This is unacceptableIt amazes me how local PDs are getting these done in the 30 to 60 day time frame and it is consistently taking the NJSP 120- 150 days. I wonder if it is because they have noone to answer to, no local politicians, etc.
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There's absolutely no way they can do this without upgrading the process and the systems that accompany it. I know this bill speaks nothing to it, but I have it on authority that a large number of Troopers in the NJSP want out of the process altogether, NICS included. What they'd like to see is some sort of data incorporated into the bar coding on your DL (not an actual endorsement, like the "M" for motorcycle) so that they could run your license if needed to determine your status. The only way this works is if they do away with the FPID and P2P process altogether. Meaning, they'd get on board with the Federal NICS check system reporting, and replace all the aspects of the "approval" process with that--including for P2P's. Once you're "endorsed", you just hand your DL to the FFL, pick out your weapon, he runs the NICS check like PA, and you're done. Of course whether any actually LISTENS to the guys in the NJSP that want this remains to be seen, and whether the legislators who don't want anyone to have firearms allows it to happen is another story.Your local Pd will now have to re-investigate you on each renewal prior to renewing the fid card. For some towns, that will result in a delay of 2-3 months on fid card renewals. plus, look out if the pd renewal letter gets lost in the mail. you get arrested and your guns are seized.
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I've focking had it with this. I want my welfare check, that shit would be issued immediately. This is completely unacceptable. At least the guys who have local PDs have "someone" to complain to in their Chief or mayor. Us folks who are stuck with the asshat State Police are stuck. This is such bs. I'm up for the lawsuit against the state for the interest on my un transferable PAID FOR firearms. And I'm about to lose out on another because the guy doesn't want to wait on my P2P even if I pay him now.
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Even though I'm still waiting-and probably have another 6 weeks according to the wonderful Kingwood SP on my P2P- I too will be copying and pasting this in an email to DiMaio, Peterson, and Christie.
This is inherently an even dumber system (if that's possible) than FPID and P2P process. WE HAVE A FEDERAL NICS SYSTEM.
Add in the fact that one of the most knowledgable guys here is writing this entire process out with what "he believes" happens-this whole process (including the name of the 3rd party) should be posted in detail on the NJSP page. Not pieced together playing better detective than Charles Mainor.
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Not really sure how a self inflicted fatal gunshot to the head can be anything but suicide-or really REALLY poor firearms safety. The range officers there are pretty much Johnny on the Spot with safety there.Just because it's self inflicted doesn't mean it is a suicide. It could've been an accident. Sad and I'm sure the media agenda whores will be all over it.
And I'm sure the article isn't slanted to say that everyone in the parking lot was actually informed that someone had been shot-for all they knew (until of course the coroner showed up) someone might have had a heart attack or something, and while concerned, figured the range would re-open after medical attention was given.That's messed up... but who the F sits around waiting for a shooting scene to be cleaned up so they can use the lanes? Seriously???
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Like every other state that efficiently does it this way. There's no reason that I need "permission" (FPID or P2P) to even HANDLE a firearm in an FFL. More accurate for sure. If they were really serious about this, the correct process (and even going a step further bringing into the 21st century) would go something like this:In this day and age there is no reason why this is not 100% automated. Not only would it be faster it would be less labor intensive and most likely more accurate!
Sorry, just venting again.
1) I'll concede having a set of Morpho prints done prior to wanting to purchase a firearm. Those biometric prints are then uploaded to the FBI/NICS for SBI.
2) I walk into a FFL, choose my firearm
3) Provide my driver's license (may be pointless after steps 1 and 4) to show identification of residency, proof of citizenship, and identity
4) Provide my thumbprint biometrically
5) POC NICS is done with step 4 electronically--no phone calls, no faxes. No SP or privatized 3rd party involvement, no additional "fees" for the Federal free service
6) Approved NICS in minutes, and I happily walk out the door with my new goodies
Never. It's the People's Republik of New Jersey. No one is accountable. It's always someone else's fault. I thank my stars every day that I got re-districted to 23, and I've got DiMaio, Peterson, and Doherty. They even proposed a "streamlined" CCW bill last year, that I'll bet they were laughed at for proposing. But see my statement above: WE SHOULD NOT NEED PERMISSION to exercise a RIGHT, and we should not be restricted from this right by prior restraint. And while I definitely think the State Police are bottlenecks, and they can and will do everything in their power to drag their feet: I suspect on their end it's got less to do with them not actually WANTING to issue permits, but the fact that they (the rank and file--not Ricky Fuentes) hate actually having to do it. It's like anything in life: If you don't feel like doing it, it doesn't affect you, it's not a priority so you procrastinate. If they actually had a Service Level Agreement that their objectives were accountable for, it might have more of an impact. And the fact that they can outsource the printing, and they do have Admin folks (presumably who make considerably less than a Trooper) who handle a lot of the filing and paperwork aspects (I'd argue the same thing for local PD's) there's no reason that any active LE needs to be involved in this--simply give Fuentes the stack of permits to sign once the research is completed. I think the real delays in the process are with the FBI (who also don't prioritize because we're one of the only ones who do this) and the county mental health records. Which again: There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY, and NO service level agreement.Someone HAS to be accountable. I think it's time to get our state's representatives involved in this. We do have some pro-gun senators and assemblymen. I know in Cape May County Senator Jeff Van Drew is pro-gun. Write letters, call them, explain to them that this is unacceptable. Waiting 4-5 months for a permit when some areas are turning them out in just a couple weeks proves that there is some sort of issue going on at the State Police. If it's volume, get them more employees to speed things along. At some point, one must ask, are my 2A rights being infringed upon? I've essentially been denied my right to purchase a handgun for months now.
But all of that becomes a moot point if they all could wrap their minds around the process I outlined above. NJ is not inherently different than any other state in the union--to make such an argument would be ludicrous. Every state has it's own rural and urban areas, and every state has its share of criminal element that we're ALL hoping to prevent access to weapons. But to suggest that NJ, who's stuck in 1966 is the epitome of a working process because "they say so" is unacceptable. The only way any of this is going to change is via SCOTUS. Which is why I'm hoping that the anti legislators (and while such is the case in NJ, we saw that it's not just Dems in CT who signed off) have SO FAR overreached, and that there will be SO many circuit court lawsuits that SCOTUS will have no choice but to finally come down with a ruling that must be in our favor. Any other outcome would destroy what little shred of the Constitution we have left.
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No one. Because we all know that complaining or even inquiring about your status will be met with irritation for bothering them, and reprisals in the form of moving your apps to the bottom of the pile. "Battered gun syndrome". If PD's (including the SP) really were interested in making THEIR lives easier--they'd lobby for getting out of the middle of this 1966 process, and doing it like any other reasonable state.Who do we call and complain about when it is the NJSP that we are forced to deal with. Some of us are going on 4 or 5 months already!
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Right-so the blade wouldn't be considered a knife, but the ends used for breaking glass could be.
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True. It's insane to me that the STATE division, whom all of these checks go through in the first place takes the longest. I get that they might be dealing with higher volumes, but that's not our problem. Add in the fact that 9/10, anyone who is responsible for FPID's is an angry individual unhappy with their job.Is it just me or are the NJSP taking much longer than the local departments these days? I am going through the Hamilton station, so far I am way over 100 days and was just told "another couple of months". And this was just for a change of address no P2Ps. Had I known it was going to be this long I would have put in a couple of P2Ps.
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That's exactly what's in the door compartment of my truck--but with how all of these situations are going, I'd be willing to bet that even though the "blade" section of that tool is largely restricted, it still has a "striking device" section that SOMEONE would consider a "weapon".LifeHammer The Original Auto Escape Rescue Tool
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This. Although I do keep my docs on my visor--the wife prefers to keep them in the glovebox of her car. If stopped, my response is to crack the window, put both hands on the steering wheel, and wait for instructions. I do not prematurely reach for ANYTHING either before he gets out of his car or after. Once instructed for docs, I tell him exactly where I am going to retrieve them, preferably with weak side hand. If by virtue of my being forthcoming and doing my absolute BEST to try and give him the sense that I am looking out for MY safety as well as HIS, he still reacts in an authoritative manner--I then go into least cooperation mode within the law. I am not a criminal, and will not be treated as such.If I am following normal etiquette for a traffic stop (i.e. hand on the steering wheel, engine off, interior lights on, all windows cracked with the exception of the driver's window which is fully open) and I get flak for a tool that just so happens to be sitting on my passenger seat which I've made zero effort to reach for, I am going to have a problem and I will try my hardest to ensure the traffic stop is as difficult as possible from that point on. There will be no consent to search and I will cooperate as little as possible. -
I'm stealing this.
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Bull. One has nothing to do with the other. How is what they're doing with the current fax system not illegal? It SPECIFICALLY says it is available telephonically.They claim problem is the number of fid and pistol permit apps that have come in more than the amount of nics purchases.13:54-3.19 Division of State Police NICS hours of operation
The NICS check is available telephonically weekdays from 9:00 A.M. to 8:00 P.M. and Saturday from 10:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M. (except State holidays). The Division of State Police may expand hours of telephone coverage based upon operational experience. A facsimile service is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Only one transaction per telephone call or facsimile is permitted.
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Forgive me, as I've gotten a ton of knowledge (and I'd hope successfully educating others at this point) but when you say "Trenton", I'm assuming for the background check? Because my LE friends told me that the mental health records searches are done (at least they're SUPPOSED to be-but that doesn't stop some fools from making an indirect trip) directly through your county.I'm at 106 days and counting for 3 P2P's from NJSP Woodbine.
I know for a fact the issue isn't with the Woodbine Barracks- It's Trenton. I applied on 12/20/12, all of my references were called on 12/28/12, and the paperwork went out that week to Trenton.
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My update from Kingwood SP on FPID's and P2P's: wife called this morning to add another P2P to her app since it's taking so long. Cindy Williamson told her that "all her info came back from the firearms investigation unit". Yet, was told it would be another 6 WEEKS before getting permits. I assume I am in the same boat since I submitted the day after. If that is in fact true (which I don't believe anyway) that would put us at 94 days for issuance. I guess it takes 6 weeks for Fuentes to sign his name...
Odd that your reference checks took so long-they did ours within 2 weeks of app submission.
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I take this as a positive message-it means SO MANY people showed up to oppose that nonsense that they wore out what they were standing on. Too bad.
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True. And the fact that the box says "quieter" on it. I actually wound up returning one I had bought because I didn't want to take the chance. But I shot one side by side with a Benjamin, and it was not one but quieter. Marketing ploy-but tell that to Joe Cryan.It's all about the looks of the thing...
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You would also be surprised to learn that there was a bill proposed around this time last year that would have reclassified AIRSOFT guns as firearms.
This is how dumb they are.
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F that local PD-Morpho will not only do print cards in ink-but they will not specifically do ANY prints unless requested by an employer or agency. The guy even told my wife it was "illegal" for him to print out the digital copies if the prints she had done for her initial FPID.
State Police it is...
NJ FID/PP Compliancy Project
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This was brought up repeatedly at the Trenton hearings this week, in addition to the NICS delays. I've pointed out exactly why these delays are actually a danger to public safety.
I will be doing the same thing this weekend: crafting a letter to Fuentes, Chiesa, and perhaps the Internal Affairs division. Copying Doherty's office whom I haven't heard anything back from since last week.
"Volume" is not my problem. Fix the glitch, don't give excuses. If you don't want to hear me complain...fix the glitch.