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  2. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

    My concern with these non-NFA other firearms is that if you have one (built or bought) and also have a regular AR rifle you can be jammed up.

    From the statutes:

    2C:39-1 w.   "Assault firearm" means:
    [...]
    (5)   A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts from which an assault firearm may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

    If you have a rifle and a non-NFA other firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches you can readily switch the uppers and now you have an SBR and an overweight pistol. If I was going to put together a non-NFA other firearm I would use a dedicated pistol caliber lower which could not mate to a regular AR upper.

    While I believe this is a valid concern, I don't think there is a single person on this forum, or even in the state, who can answer this.  It will come down to a prosecutor, your lawyer, and a judge to determine what any of that means.

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  4. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Mermanhunter said:

    There seems to be varying opinions on legality of building your own “other” or at the least a potential headache dealing with the laws in the state.  
    From reading the forum I gather there are quite a few manufacturers (modern materials, lwrc ,Troy, DSI, delta defense, radical firearms, POF) selling nj compliant others.  They seem to be solid builds and with that being said it is not an attack on any of these manufacturers or the product they put out.  I just want to know if any one on the forum knows of a manufacturer or ffl that will build a compliant other with the parts from manufacturers of my choosing?  
    Will the ffl building it require I have to use a lower receiver from one of the manufacturers I listed above or a total stripped lower from whatever company I choose?  
    I am newish to shooting not by any means an expert but I did decent amount of research and I would like to have a Triarc, radian model 1, BCM or v seven build as an other.  Is that possible?  thanks in advance for any help
     

    I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but if you have all of the parts picked out and understand the requirements for an other just build it yourself.  It's not illegal, the state police just don't want people getting jammed up for not knowing the law.  As far as I'm aware, having an FFL assemble it for you is no different than doing it yourself--both a stripped receiver and completed other are both simply "firearms" in the eye of the law and will transfer nearly identically.  The (hypothetical) benefit of having an other such as the Troy is more about law enforcement familiarity should you ever get stopped.

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  5. Posted

    18 minutes ago, RUTGERS95 said:

    we need a build list etc to follow.  Did anyone make one?

    If you use any 12.5" upper with a VFG and any pistol lower you should be fine.  Several people have gotten 12.5" uppers from B. King's which are inexpensive but solid, I'm sure there are more premium options as well. If you want a shorter barrel you'll need to be a little more careful about your choice of receiver extension.  Beyond this the build is the same as any other AR-15.

  6. Posted

    1 minute ago, John Smith said:

    Gotcha, now what if I pin the brace, just like if I were pinning a collapsing stock on a ar15 rifle? Does the end of brace become the new measurement point since its permanently fixed? Would be able to shorted the barrel a few inches I imagine if you can do that and still be over the 26 inches

    I'm honestly not sure.  If you want to do that it's probably a better idea to use an A5 receiver extension which is a bit longer than a standard carbine extension.  I believe that would allow you to use a 10.5" barrel without a pin and weld, but I'm not positive.  With a normal tube you should be able to use a 10.5" if you pin it.  Someone posted a chart a while back that summarizes it well.

  9. Posted

    3 minutes ago, John Smith said:

    Okay, makes sense. In my short time researching this there has been so much contradicting info, just trying to get it all straight. Thanks

    There has been a constant stream of misinformation and misunderstandings since the Shockwave etc first started getting sold in NJ.  If you choose to build, make sure you understand the NFA and what makes something not a rifle or pistol.  Just like you should understand the NJ AWB if you build a normal rifle.

  10. Posted

    Just now, John Smith said:

    So just for clarification, if I buy a stripped lower, even if on paper its listed as other/receiver, I CAN NOT build it into a other/non NFA firearm? I must buy one pre made? 

    There is no law saying that you are not allowed to.  NJSP is concerned about people accidentally breaking the law and told FFLs to only sell them as a complete firearm.  Many here have built their own.

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  11. Posted

    3 hours ago, Blacksmythe said:

    The thing to look out for are creative FFLs trying to be slick with the transfer of lowers. A list should be made of these shameful individuals. 

    Though if someone already bought a lower and the FFL didn't record it as "other" I'm not sure that's their problem.  The FFL screwed up, marking it incorrectly doesn't make it a rifle or pistol.  If they transferred a rifle as a pistol it wouldn't turn you into a criminal for buying without a permit.

  14. Posted

    37 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said:

    Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but I think the 2A was safer under Obama. I have a complete firearm on order. When either the cryptkeeper legislates or the Cheeto uses an illegal EO hopefully I can get an organization to back a lawsuit. Enough is enough. 

    I'd pump the brakes, some people on other forums dug into this post and can't find it, so they think it's either fake or he's deleted it.  Supposedly he's also been saying this for years, yet here we are with braces still legal.

    Also, just because Obama was a failure doesn't mean he wasn't trying.  Attempt to ban green tips, villainization of legal gun owners after high profile events, etc.  Politicians all suck.

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  15. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Maksim said:

    #1... welcome to NJ .  In NJ... GUNS ARE ILLEGAL EXCEPT.... we operate within those exceptions.

    #2.  Not at all.  I have shot with many LEO... A LOT of whom are right here on the forum. ... and at public ranges... expect people to be looking at what you are shooting.  Go ahead and shoot it at Ft. Dix. =)

     

    This whole thing is an exercise in how this isn't true. The law bans a very specific class of firearms--if it doesn't fall into that, it's legal.  People love ribbing Californian gun owners but at least they are always trying to work around their laws with things like the bullet button.  Anyone here suggests anything that doesn't have a stamp of approval from both NJSP and Evan Nappen and it's definitely not legal, like some sort of Stockholm syndrome.

    Also, I have to imagine you're exaggerating, but if the average experience at Range 14 is LEOs checking if your guns are legal, remind me to never shoot there.

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  16. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Maksim said:

    HEH?  Holy batman...

    Let's take it one by one.

    No one here, including myself said that ONLY the two guns on the letter are legal.  BUT, they are the two guns that were explicitely reviewed and okayed by NJSP.  So I call those two guns the ultimate in the safe category.

    The clarification letter gives you plenty of intent... i.e. NJSP DOES NOT WANT YOU to build your own... BUT  they can't tell you not to build it.  And you even have a Lawyer here telling you you should not stir the pot.

    And of course I feel safer with "other" marked on the receiver... who wouldn't?

    Do you honestly feel more comfortable going to the range or being pulled over or having your assembled gun put together OR.... a gun that is explicitly marked "Other" and has a letter from the NJSP explicitly saying this gun is okay?

    Again, in both cases, we agree that an assembled gun is just as legal as a purchased firearm... BUT... that will be proven in court... 

    And... well, I don't want it to go there in the first place.

    Hence the difference between being right and being effective.

    Yes... it may be 100% legal to do it... but so is pulling up to a cop and telling them to go screw themselves after they finish their donut... I just don't think it is a smart thing to do for anyone who has a family, assets or simply does not want undue attention.

    Yes, I feel 100% comfortable explaining how it may be legal... but there is no way in hell do I want that attention.

    And if I had any of those guns, I would make sure in the case, readily available I would have copies of the letter, a receipt from the dealer, the marketing material and everything else that says "other firearm."  Just in case.

    And that is assuming someone actually wants to hear out your case on the spot instead of "taking you in for having an assault weapon, we'll sort this out later.

    Of course, if you are in law enforcement, or your family is and you have a badge, a card or connections, OR you are an FFL.... then your risk tolerance is going to be significantly higher and yes... go ahead build your own. 

    Before wife and kids and a mortgage payment, I would be the first to go out and build one... now?  No thanks.  Not worth the risk when there is a basically risk free alternative for just $200 more (if that) and that comes with a warranty. 

    And with the whole pistol brace thing... speaking with dealers here, there is a good amount of people that are going ahead and doing it right and paying the tax stamp and making them legal SBRs.... the whole pistol brace thing is likely to get shut down soon anyway by your "Gun Friendly, the 2nd Amendment will not be attacked" president. 

     

    Yes, why wait for the politicians to strip our rights when we can do it ourselves?

    If you want one, buy one or build one.  If a cop is inspecting your firearms in NJ you're already in bad shape, regardless of what kind you have.

  17. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

    Why broadcast shit that the wrong people might want?

    Who are the wrong people?  Why would "the wrong people" specifically want this firearm that probably everyone on this forum acknowledges is marginally different than our existing rifles?

    The reason it was hidden is because while Det. Sgt. Bloom might be on our side, it's still within the context of a nanny state.

  18. Posted

    24 minutes ago, PK90 said:

    Really? I didn't know that. So you're saying my 24" barrel is no more accurate than an 8" one. I guess I'm not too old to learn something everyday.

    I've heard that length mostly affects accuracy due to harmonics (once barrel length exceeds some minimum length).  A long barrel with poor harmonics might perform worse than a shorter barrel with better harmonics.  I've seen arguments and data for both points of view.  For 5.56 I don't think there is a huge difference between an 11.5" and 20", though.

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  20. Posted

    13 minutes ago, PK90 said:

    So, all this just so one can have a 4" shorter less accurate barrel, an uncomfortable "stock", a useless front grip, and a flash hider which minimally suppresses a flash, AND pay twice the price for it. :facepalm: 

    GET OUT OF DODGE PEOPLE!!!!

    I think for most people here it's about sticking it to the state.  We have no hope of changing the law and no hope of a Supreme Court ruling so we do what we can.

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  21. Posted

    6 minutes ago, PK90 said:

    It has to be remanufacturered to be manufacturered again. It can't be assembled, ie gunsmithing. Which means that the FFL07 needs to mark it as his product, such as Name, City and State.

    I understand that part, I just don't see where this letter says it needs to be remanufactured by the FFL.  It simply says cannot be "assembled" by an individual.

    And whether this actually is supported by the law is another matter.

  22. Posted

    6 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said:

    The letter says manufactured and sold as a complete firearm in NJ. If the seller has a FFL 07 and marks it as his product that is an option. 

    Reading it again, it only says assembled, not manufactured.  And sold "as a complete product".  I don't see anything that would require it to be remanufactured.

  24. Posted

    12 minutes ago, Screwball said:

    While I personally don’t have to deal with it anymore... as my house in Maine closed yesterday... I’m not seeing it being too easy to build it yourself.

    Start off with a long gun, you made a SBR. Start off with a pistol, at least in NJ, you might have an “assault weapon.” To get to 26+” OAL, I believe you are likely over 50 ounces.

    While I didn’t mind the “gray” area with the TAC-14/brace (since Black Aces did the same folding brace setup, and was legal), that is a little too “gray” for me to recommend on the internet.

    That all being said, I’m going to try to link up with Joe from Modern Materiel sometime that week I get back up to NJ to check out their SBF. I do want to get the Banshee, but I can push that out until we switch over to Glocks (main reason it will be a truck gun... but I’ll toss my .40 SUB-2000 in as a truck gun). But I really don’t see too many short barrel firearm ARs out there. Guess most people just go to AR pistols.

    The SBF interests me mainly for the vertical grip, as I like running long guns like that. Can’t do it with a pistol. But the longer barrel keeps 5.56mm velocities up a little better than something shorter (less than 10”).

    As far as I know, you cannot start with a pistol or a rifle, but I could be wrong.  But it should be easy with a new lower receiver.  Build the lower, put a VFG on an upper (before putting it on the lower), mate the receivers, and you're good to go.  I'm sure someone will bring up constructive intent but that could keep you from doing a normal rifle build in NJ.

  25. Posted

    5 minutes ago, e92m3allday said:

    An 11.5” should do the trick. You have to measure from end of brace collapsed to end of threads. 

    Maybe I'm confused, but doesn't a FH add 1.5" to the barrel? So if 10.5" barrel + FH is only 26.3", then an unpinned 11.5 will be just shy of 26 at 25.8?

    4 minutes ago, MartyZ said:

    So the brace can be adjustable also?

    Yes. Though it's uncertain whether length is measured from the fully extended position or not, so might be worth playing it safe and going from the collapsed position.

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