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  1. I had the same problem, I applied last year, was told it would take 30 days give or take once the references and background check came back. I didn't hear anything so I called after 30 days and was told neither of my references 'checked out' . I was told that the addresses I gave must be wrong. Both references handed me envelopes with their address on them to be sure I got their rural addresses right. They get mail to those addresses every day. I was told that I'd have to start all over again. All the fees and the fingerprint costs were down the drain. I never bothered restarting it, I was told by someone off the record that someone in the PD didn't want me to get the FID card or to own guns. (A liberal in-law who hates guns). I'm not staying in this state and can't wait to get out. Its only going to get worse and I don't think its ever going to turn around here. I just haven't decided where I want to go yet. I thought about moving to PA but their Motor Vehicle system and private state inspection fiasco would drive me broke. Texas would be ideal but its too hot, the same with FL, GA, and SC. WV is looking like one option I'm looking into but I like being closer to the ocean.
  2. It says SP224, it looks to me like a form that the pd should use internally? I don't know why a form would ask whay the name of the pd is where I'm applying
  3. How many forms should I have to fill out for the FPID card? I was given two the first time, both of which I was later told are the wrong version, so I downloaded two more and filled those out. Today I took those to the PD and was told I'm missing a third 'Municipal Form'. I've filled out an STS033, application, an SP 66 mental health form, and now I need a third? Is this it? https://www.njsp.org/firearms/pdf/sp-224.pdf
  4. I am not too worried about 'carrying them around in the car', I don't really intend to do much of that either way. I will apply for the card, but I guess its a matter of finding out which day they take applications and then waiting for it all to go through. There's no reason they would reject it, I have never been arrested, not so much as a speeding ticket. My main concern is if they somehow found out I've got all these in my home. I asked the original question because I really don't have any way to show where these came from because most of these spent a generation and a half buried in the attic. Those that belonged to my uncle were left to me by word of mouth, he had a will, it left everything to my dad, who died first, so they became mine. There is no other family involved. I knew some of these were here but I didn't realize how many in all. I knew my uncle kept his shotguns here, that started when he got divorced in the 60's. I knew my dad had a few of my grandfathers guns and one or two of his other brother's guns here but I never looked or dug through the boxes. Since dad wasn't really a gun guy, they just sat. Back in the day, from time to time my uncle would go upstairs and leave with a few shotguns, go hunting, drop off whatever he shot, and put the shotguns away again and go home. He never took his guns back home. Over the years he just made the remarks several times that when he's done with them, his guns were mine. I have no clue where he bought them, knowing him, they were likely used when he bought most of them. The coolest is finding the .22 that my grandfather had as a kid, and finding pics of him holding it with his catch in the other hand when he was a kid. I don't have many pictures of my grandfather, so finding something like that is pretty cool. My main concern is whether or not I'd have to prove where I got them some day, other than a pic of the one gun in my grandfather's hand, there's no proof in any way where they came from after a buddy started going nuts when he saw me sorting through a trunk full of rifles here one day. He went on about how you have to be able to prove where you got them to own them in NJ, which didn't make a lot of sense to me because I've read other posts here about people moving from other states with their guns, and having lived in other states, I know many states don't even track or regulate long guns, and most older rifles and shotguns don't even have serial numbers before somewhere in the 60's. With most of all that answered, I thank those here for all the info and advice.
  5. I'll have to laminate the old bring back papers, they're all but falling apart. Some of them list an old family address in WV, a few list my great grandfather's address in Philly, and a few list my other grandfather's address here in NJ. All of whom have been gone since the early 70's or before. I stopped by the PD today, was told 'not today' 'too busy' try again later in the week. I was also told by one woman, I guess a clerk or sorts since she was not in uniform, that the papers they gave me are obsolete and won't go through, she said I can save a step by downloading them off the internet. She said they did the same thing to her son. I can see this is going to be fun and take a while. What am I supposed to put down for an employer when I'm not working right now? Not retired, not collecting, just not working or between jobs. I haven't bothered looking while I've been dealing with all that I've been dealing with here.
  6. First off, if I have a gun in my car, its likely heading to either a gun shop or place to shoot it. Second, it would obviously be locked in the trunk unloaded. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this online, and the way i read this, its illegal in NJ to posses a firearm without an FID card? 2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of weapons. (https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-39-5) 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons. a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the second degree. b.Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree. c.Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2)Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. d.Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. e.Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions. ......................................................................................... It looks like the law itself contradicts itself in several places. This is from the NJ SP site https://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf 13:54-1.13 Firearms passing to heirs or legatees (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of this subchapter c oncerning the acquisition of a firearm, a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card shall not be required of an heir or legatee for the passing of a firearm, upon the death of its owner. A person so acquiring ownership ma y retain the firearm if he or she meets the requirements of N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.5 and 1.6. (b) If an heir or legatee is not qualified to acquire a fir earm, he or she may retain ownership of the firearm for the purpose of sale for a period of 180 days, which period may be extended by the chief of police or the Superintendent. During such period the firearm must be placed in th e custody of the chief of police or Superintendent. (c) In the case of assault firearms or machine guns disposition shall be in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-5. _____________________________________________________ Going by this, I do not need an FPID card? It looks to me like one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Under the NJ code statutes, its illegal to posses any firearm without having an FID card, but according to the NJ SP, its not needed if you inherited the firearms???? A stop at the local PD today to pickup forms got me nothing, I was told that if I wasn't buying anything, I don't need to apply for a card, I finally was told that if I must, I can download the forms online. Another officer handed me three pages of forms that according to the website are outdated and no longer valid according to the NJ SP site. Do I fill out the outdated, (2002 version) of the form I was handed or do I use the form online from 2009? Do I fill out both versions and let them decide when I go back? When I asked the officer at the desk who do I bring them back to and he didn't know, he said he doesn't handle that. No one there had an answer??? https://www.njsp.org/firearms/pdf/sts-033.pdf Or do I simply not need to go through all this hassle?
  7. I went through the lot of rifles and shotguns here, only 5 have any sort of number on them. Most have no numbers, but from what I read online, they didn't require serial numbers till 1968. Most all of these are at least that old. It looks like only the Remington .22 rifles, one Remington pump shotgun, the single Remington semiauto rifle, and the Garand have serial numbers. Nothing is stolen and nothing has seen the light of day since at least 1987 or so. Most haven't been out of the attic in 60 years. If having an FPID card is so important, then why didn't we need one years ago while hunting? I remember going hunting with my uncle in the 70's and all we had were hunting licenses. I do remember going through some sort of shotgun qualification course when I was a kid, but that was with my uncle's Ithaca 12ga, (which I've not found here yet, but maybe that explains why there's one odd newer Remington pump in the lot from the mid 80's?). I did find another box stuffed back in the eaves of the attic that had another Garand, a Lee Enfield, a Japanese rifle, and what I believe is a German Mauser. two were wrapped up in old flags, and in the same box with my grandfather's old WW2 uniform. The Garand was wrapped up in a long wood coat, and the Enfield was in a makeshift bag made from an old pair of pants. The only ammo in that box was for the Japanese rifle, appears to be a 7.7, and about 300 empty .303 casings. His discharge papers and some papers showing his shipping the Japanese and German Rifles home. Nothing on the Garand and the .303. These rifles are all well used, lots of nicks and scrapes, lots of oily stains on the wood, even dirt packed in the Japanese rifle. Its got numbers but they're not listed on the papers in the box. The Japanese rifle had no bolt, but it explains why I found an odd bolt wrapped up in a pair of old green rags in a duffel bag elsewhere in the attic a few months ago. It fits the Japanese rifle and has matching numbers. I also found a 36" long double barrel shotgun that's missing its wood, there's no markings on it at all and it appears to be black powder. Its got two hammers with little nipples with holes where the hammers strike. The barrel has a lot of fancy scroll work but its mostly worn off. The stock is badly broken and fragile, and the forend is missing. It was leaning against a wall stud behind the knee wall upstairs, with a bag of shot, a can of powder, and a small tin full of caps. It was half buried in the insulation and half in dust. The other Garand is like new, likely it never saw combat, but the one I found today likely saw lots of use and lots of weather. My grandfather never spoke about his time in the war, nor did his brothers. They all brought back souvenirs, but only my grandfather was in both Europe and the Pacific. This was my other grandfather's box, from my mother's side, he died when I was real young but he lived with us here back then. I suppose he brought it here when he moved here in the early 60's. It was stuffed all the way back in a corner, wedged between the downstairs floor joists and rafters behind a wall. The attic was partially finished off for storage in the late 60's, it originally was just open rafters and planks to walk on. They put up knee walls along both sides and put tongue and groove planks down in between so the area could be used for storage. Over the years, it got pretty much filled up with everything from old furniture, clothes, holiday decorations, old books, steamer trunks, and lots of old military boxes that were used to store all sorts of stuff. I'll be doing more digging around up there as the weather cools down.
  8. Nothing has a mag larger than 10 rounds, the Garand holds only 8 in the clip plus maybe one in the chamber. Although I don't have anything that's has more than a 10 round mag, the way I read it the 10 round limit is only on semi-auto guns? One of the people who said I needed the FPID card was a just recently retired p/o officer. He referred to it as a 'license' not a purchase permit. He didn't seem to have a clue. When I asked who I would get such an ID from he said maybe try the DMV or the state police. When did NJ start the FPID thing? I don't ever recall my father or uncles ever having one, they all had hunting licenses though, as did myself as a kid. I remember going to some sort of shotgun training course or test years ago as a kid but haven't had a hunting license here in 30 years or more. When my uncle got too old to hunt, he stayed home, and those here didn't bother going after that. He was the motivator so to speak. He didn't have any kids of his own. When he died, it all became my dad's, when my dad died, everything became mine by default. There wasn't ever any will or anything. My dad was the youngest of his siblings by more than 10 years, so he lived the longest, I'm an only child and a junior name wise. I basically just assumed everything he owned, the house, trucks, car, and everything else. He didn't have much, and I don't suppose these things are worth very much but like those before me, they were handed down. I do know the one .22 rifle was given to my uncle by my grandfather in 1939, and it belonged to his grandfather before that. I have a picture of my grandfather at about 20 years old holding it in one hand and a pair of dead rabbits in the other. He was born around 1886. It still has his initials carved into the butt plate. I have no clue where he got it, it likely was bought used even then. There's a 30-40 Krag too, its had its wood shortened and refinished but they used it for hunting up in Maine years ago. They hunted deer here and in PA, and would travel to Maine to hunt bear and moose, and go to Texas once in a while as well. My grandfather and older uncles were the big hunters, my dad not so much. I suppose the Garand came home with one of my uncles as two of them were in WWII. I would like to take a few of my grandfather's guns and at least fire them a few times just because they belonged to my grandfather, who passed away long before I was born. As did several of my uncles. (Granddad had four families, four wives. All but my dad and two uncles were gone before I came into this world. All but four guns are older than I am.
  9. A year ago I inherited my father's house along with all its contents. To make a long story short, some of the contents are about 40 rifles and shotguns. Among these are also a few shotguns which belonged to my uncle, who lived in Iowa but has been gone now for about 5 years. He hunted here in NJ back in the 60's and 70's so he kept his shotguns here. The majority of the shotguns are single shot break action guns, there is only a couple old semiautomatics, one being an old M1 Garand, the other a vintage Remington Woodsmaster rifle. Most are in like new condition, a few are pretty rough but those are really old. My question is do I need to do anything to keep these? I keep getting told that its illegal in NJ to posses a firearm without a firearms ID card and proof of ownership. I have no proof of ownership, in fact, I didn't even know they were here till I started going through old chests in the attic last week. I have no idea where they were bought. I suppose that most were my uncles, but he hadn't hunted here since the early 80's. A few I believe were my grandfather's, who passed away in the 60's. I likely won't ever hunt with any of them but I certainly wouldn't want to lose them. All are wood stocked hunting type guns. I am thinking that my father packed them away to hide them from my mother who hated guns. All are long guns, no handguns.
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