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  2. Posted

    21 minutes ago, CapGuns&SnapsKid said:

    All I know is there are multiple training instructors and facilities with ALL DIFFERENT requirements. This is the BS I'm talking about. Some doing Basic pistol 1&2 and Holster draw 1&2 with a CCW thats over 1k in fees, Some doing HNQC & HQC2, some just basic pistol and qualification test. The most realistic one I've seen is Gun For Hire, who is qualification from ready position like majority of CCW states..unfortunately they are 1hr and 20min from me but I might have to suck up that ride and get it done! 

    Everyone is shooting the dice, no pun intended. The concern with the "low ready position" is that it may be what other states are doing, but not what NJ is asking for! The HQC1(revolver) or HQC2(semi-auto) officially require drawing from a holster.

  3. Posted

     

    I'll be qualifying the week after next. My location will be doing it with the holster per HQC1 requirements. There seems to be two separate camps at the moment, ranges in NJ that require holster draw for HQC1 and the ranges that don't. I am concerned about the ones that don't.

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  5. Posted

    When I spoke to my PD early this week, there was no mention of waiting for anything. Once i have all of the required documents and the packet is ready, all i have to do is make an appointment to drop it off.

    12 minutes ago, LineItem said:

    Absolutely, yes. The only thing that would get any sort of motion on this is media coverage - and we know that's not going to happen. I suspect that even a call from an attorney would be laughed off.

    Did you make an appointment before going to the Hoboken PD? If you made an appointment and they refused to take it then i would call an attorney.

  6. Posted

    Awe

    On 6/26/2022 at 4:52 PM, gunforhire said:

    The NJ CCW code has been broken! New page with directions, information, instructions, questions & answers, with class registration is now being built. Stay tuned and pre-register here for alerts. No questions now please it will delay the page! https://gunforhire.com/nj-ccw-permit/

    Awesome, I'm on the list! Thanks

  7. Posted

    I know none of you want to hear this but, its going to take time! My initial FID took over 3 months, my p2ps take 3 weeks. The PD's do not have clarification of the training requirements as I write this. Applying without knowing what the training requirements are will likely result in denial. We are all excited and anxious to start carrying, but it may take time!  The CCW process will be integrated into the FARS per a conversation with my PD, but we don't know how long that will take! I'm with KurtC, my instincts are telling me that a qualification course will be needed without exception. I currently await clarification on the training requirement...When i have it, FARS or paper I am moving forward.

  8. Posted

    5 minutes ago, KurtC said:

    It doesn't currently meet the requirements.  The New Jersey HQC requires a bit more proficiency.  You get two attempts to achieve 80% during the actual qual, but the training course will most likely walk you through it several times until they are sure you will pass.  That is what you are paying them for. 

     

    Does the NJ qual require us to shoot a phase in the dark? Do we need to buy pistol lights for our qual gun?

  9. Posted

    46 minutes ago, samiam said:

    Well, I signed up for the NRA Basic CCW course, on the theory that the NJ required training won't be more demanding than that. At the very least, since NRA is promting it as sufficient for NJ CC permitting qualification, if for some reason it isn't accepted I should be able to get some kind of financial adjustment made. My dilemma is that it isn't until very end of July (they had an earlier class beginning July 16, but I have an intractable conflict that week-end) I'm torn on whether to wait to submit my SP 640 until I get the class completion certificate, or proceed on the assumption that NJ will ask for it when the process my application.

    I would not submit without a training cert. I got references done today. The only thing left for me to do is the pictures and notary. I had my last P2P in August so i shouldn't need fingerprints. The only issue left for me is the training... I have a number of pistol training certs that are recent, but without clarification i cannot move forward. Will NJ simply accept my various pistol certs? like you said, we can only hope that is sufficient. I suspect we will all have to go through quals like Anthony and others here mentioned.

  11. Posted

    1 hour ago, MeanderingCuban said:

    There is still a very long way to go until we see NJ residents getting their CCW permits.  The whole process of having a judge make the final decision is, in my eyes, a big issues as judges will continue to deny folks. The next SCOTUS battle should be the entire permitting process.  No person should need a permit to exercise a Constitutional Right.

    Nope! Judges have to follow "shall issue" as well. Also, they be removed in time due to overwhelming demand.

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  12. Posted

    32 minutes ago, samiam said:

    So, in regard to fingerprinting, I just got off the phone with the desk sargent at Woodbine NJSP, which is my local PD for purposes of firearms issues. The results were less than completely satisfactory. He said:

    1. If I have my state firearms id card, he didn't see why I would need to be fingerprinted again (he said he thought that was true even if my card is grandfathered from before the renewal requirements were enacted, which it is)

    2. He said that he was told that NJ is going to formulate revised application requirements to be published sometime in July, and he advised that I wait until then (I'm not inlcined to do that)

    3. He basically admitted that he didn't have a reliable answer for me, and that he was not in a position to issue me an ID  number to use at Sagem/Morpho at this time. 

    The guy told me that he hopes that everyone in the state who isn't clearly disqualified gets their permit and starts carrying (I had the same reaction from a young NJSP trooper in Absecon from whom I purchased a used air conditioner last Tuesday when I discussed the Bruen case with him) so I don't think this was intentional obstruction on his part. But it does illustrate that intentional obstruction will not be our only obstacle, we will also need to navigate the miscommunication and bureaucratic BS at which Jersey excels :>( I plan to go ahead with my SP 640 using my existing prints (I not only have my NJFID prints on record, but I got printed at S/M early this year for one of my out-of-state permits), and see what happens. 

    Me too! At this point the only thing i am waiting on is the clarified training requirements. I see no point in waiting until some time in July as the requirements laid out by the AG will not change. I did the same thing Quickz did regarding the pictures, i just print them out from a printer and cut them to size, it worked for my FID.

  14. Posted

    I am starting to get the idea that the CCW process will be a combination of in-person paperwork hand delivered to local PD and a portion done through FARS? The basic background check and mental health through FARS and all the other stuff done in paper?

    FYI, for those here. I have used a bravo concealment OWB holster at my 3oclock for a number of training classes i took. It was cheap, effective, and satisfied the range and RSO liability issues. For the Quals we are going to need OWB holsters as most ranges will not allow us to draw from concealment holsters, i know this from training at TTC. I am shopping for another OWB holster that is light bearing now. So many choices, so little time!

  15. Posted

    1 minute ago, Bomber said:

    No CCW in Restaurants huh?

    Does A-Hole Murphy mean restaurants like the Luby's In Texas where a gunman killed 23 people in 1991 and the push for concealed carry got started after a woman left her gun the in the car because she didn't want to risk losing he chiropractic license and her parents both were murdered?

     

     

    He cant! restaurants and many other locations he listed are PRIVATE PROPERTY. So, like in Florida only the property owners can boot you out. He can only prohibit carry on State owned property, but property owner will have the right to determine what they want on their own property.

  16. Posted

    A quick recap of what we know so far.

    1. We will need proof of training, but no one know the full parameters yet.

    2. We understand the passport sized photos (4), 

    3. Fingerprints done by morpho, ID provided by our local PD's.

    4. References signed 3 times over and then each copy notarized.

    5. After chief approval our app goes to the judge(for now atleast)

    I understand 2-5 but, the question remains how will all of these requirements be integrated into FARS? I can't help but wonder if some of these requirements will be modified or eliminated to fit into the FARS system?

    Another point that occurred to me! Since off duty cops in NJ are not required to have level 2 or 3 retention holsters to CCW. The same should apply to us! Regular kydex or leather holster etc, should be fine!

  17. Posted

    46 minutes ago, KurtC said:

    This is where the permitting system remains subjective.   You have to convince your Chief of Police and a Superior Court Judge that you have satisfied the competency requirement.

    You can easily find out from your local PD as to what they will accept.  The Superior Court Judge, not so much.  There is no way of knowing which judge your application will come before.   There are usually several in each county. 

    Your right, on both accounts. We still have to appear before a Superior Court Judge after the Chief approves. When I called my local PD earlier today that was before this directive was issued. I'll have to call my PD again to discuss training requirements after the weekend. Everything else in the process is self-explanatory at least. I don't mind having to get additional training if required, I am just happy that we are finally on the right path.

  19. Posted

    I don't see option 3 that

    9 minutes ago, Fred2 said:

    this looks like the important part.

     

    (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating
    in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information.
    Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns may be evidenced by:
    1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police
    Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j;
    2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to
    carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms
    instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor;
    3. Completion of a course or test in the safe handling of a handgun administered by a certified firearms instructor of
    a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified
    firearms instructor; or
    4. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police
    academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor.

    I dont see option 3 in the case text, is the one you posted the most updated?

  20. Posted

    1 minute ago, marlintag said:

    And what about fingerprints, mental health checks and passport size photos. I SEE IT NOWHERE

    Nevermind me i see it now.

    Review of Applications. In reviewing an individual’s application for a permit to carry, the applicable law enforcement agency shall continue to ensure that the applicant satisfies all of the criteria of N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4d and N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4, except that the applicant need not submit a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun.

    Fingerprints, passport size photos, and mental health check STILL REQUIRED.

  23. Posted

    This is it!

     

    In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down a New York law requiring people to demonstrate a particular need in order to get a permit to carry a handgun in public, Acting Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin today announced a directive clarifying requirements for carrying firearms in New Jersey.

    Attorney General Directive No. 2022-07 clarifies that while the Supreme Court decision prevents New Jersey from continuing to require a demonstration of justifiable need in order to carry a handgun, it does not eliminate the enforcement of other permitting requirements under State law.

    “I want to make it perfectly clear that carrying a handgun without a permit is still illegal in New Jersey and applicants must satisfy all other statutory and regulatory requirements – including a thorough background check – before obtaining a permit to carry here,” said Acting Attorney General Platkin. “New Jersey is leading the way by taking commonsense action to protect our residents and law enforcement officers from the daily threat of gun violence ­– and the Supreme Court decision will not change that.”

    The Directive clarifies that in reviewing an individual’s application to carry, law enforcement agencies must continue to ensure that the applicant satisfies all requirements under the law, except that the applicant need not submit a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun.

    Before issuing a carry permit, law enforcement agencies must continue to:

    • ensure that an applicant is not subject to any of the disabilities that by law would  prevent them from obtaining a permit to purchase a handgun or firearms purchaser identification card;
    • conduct a background check to confirm that the applicant is qualified to carry a handgun, including by ensuring that the application is, among other things, endorsed by three reputable people who have known the applicant for at least three years and can verify that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior; and
    • ensure that an applicant has demonstrated that they are  thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns.
    • Informative 2

  24. Posted

    6 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

    here i go jumping the gun.

     

     so....with the wording of this, and mention of the 14th, could that not also strike down nj's registration scheme(the p2p)? and nj's so-called assault weapon ban?

     

     

    There is a lot "what if's" being asked and lots of speculation. We should take a moment or two to bask in what we have accomplished. We have done what many thought was impossible. My home, our republic has been changed in the most fundamental sense. 

  25. Posted

    I have always used 5.11 tactical conceal carry belts when i carried in Florida and Virginia. They blend in well with casual wear like cargo pants and a polo shirt. Since i carried in hot weather primarily, my shirts were always moisture wicking and breathable. I typically carried a small 380 pocket pistol in a pocket holster or in the appendix position depending on what I was wearing. I sometimes carried a 1911 in the cocked and locked fashion of course. For the ammo choice I consistently used Hornady critical defense and Inceptor ARX. I have recently got some Fort Scott TUI ammo that i took classes with, it's good stuff and NJ legal!

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