HoosierDog

I'm obviously late to the conversation. Talking about The Lives Of Others, I really enjoyed the movie Citizenfour, which touches on all this kind of stuff and I'd recommend it if you're interested in this kind of thing. But as paranoid as Citizenfour seemed, it didn't really make me change any significant behavior. Then, like the guy who's GPS and google figured out that he was probably driving to the range, I had several eye opening experiences that by themselves were not particularly disturbing but when taken in total, were sort of unnerving. I did not really grasp how much of our lives really are data points that are already stored and sorted. If you're carrying a cell phone, you're part of it, period. If you're using the internet, you're in it. It's one of those slippery slope situations, we all benefit from it, and you seem paranoid if you're concerned about it, but our privacy really is disappearing entirely, for the benefit of either corporations or the government. It doesn't matter if you get a new phone, if you get a new computer, if you check or uncheck all the boxes in Advanced Settings. There are so many data points that are unique to you that you just can't opt out any more.

thanks. we were able to spend a couple of days in morristown, really liked it, everything you mentioned, even the little green space park in the middle of downtown. should be ok, just got to adjust a little bit (the price, the laws, god forbid I pump my own gas, etc)

Thanks Joe. My wife will be working in Parsippany so that's where we started our search. After three days of spiraling out from Parsippany looking at towns and houses for sale, we decided that Morristown is a pretty great compromise for us. It's not as rural (or flat) as I might like, but the town seems great. It looks like a big town (by my standards) and yet everything felt really close, friendly, and the word "charming" kept getting thrown around. Plus it'd be a 9 minute commute for the wife, all on interstate. Our other favorite property was way out by Hope, which is practically PA, where we could finally find some acreage and plenty of garage space, but the hour commute up and down icy switchbacks seem pretty daunting. We're going to keep looking along the border of PA, maybe right off of 80, but unless something AMAZING shows itself, we'll probably be headed to Morristown. I can't think of any questions about it right now, but I'll let you know if I do. And it's nice to see there are some ranges close by (thank you, guy who posted that, whose name I can't see right now).

I grew up not far from Terre Haute, closer to Greencastle, out in the woods and corn fields. Greencastle meant "going into town" and Terre Haute was going to the Big City. LOL

That's pretty much how I'm looking at it. Since I can't change the laws and probably can't change where we will move to, I tried to find a silver lining and use this as an opportunity to finally clean up the safe, consolidate my collection, get rid of those things I never shoot anymore, those guns that always seem to vex me but I hadn't gotten rid of yet, or those project guns that were probably never actually going to be finished. I've been able to consolidate down to two calibers of handgun ammo, one caliber of rifle ammo, and one gauge of shotgun ammo. (I was even tempted to match my handgun and rifle ammo but decided against it.) I'm in the process of selling everything I don't absolutely love, I'll leave everything else that's not NJ legal with a relative for when we visit, and put my new money toward some new pieces that are NJ legal from the factory, new compliant magazines, and plenty of ammo. Then I might never have to buy guns or ammo in NJ if we only stay a few years. And if I do end up needing the ID card, it's probably not a big deal, I just need to get used to the idea. You all seem to be functioning fine over there. I just need to acclimate to the climate. Sorry that this introduction thread turned into about 5 other topics! Is there a thread about why I can't pump my own gas?

It's really a matter of practicality. This might upset some people who might be much more invested in their arsenal than I am, but if we're making this decision solely based on firearms, I'm just not so invested in my shooting that I could justify asking my wife to commute an extra hour each way, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, in rain, snow, ice, traffic, so that the rifle in my safe can carry additional rounds per magazine. I don't know that I would do that to myself, let alone to my wife who does not shoot. And those extra rounds are the only banned item that I personally care much about. (Well, that and concealed carry, which I know there will be zero chance of any kind of carry for me in NJ.) Yes, I absolutely support law-abiding citizens' rights to have access to things that I personally don't need. Yes, I agree these laws seem onerous and misguided while probably having zero impact on crime. And if I can help get rid of these laws through my voice and my vote, I will. But for the sake of immediate practicality, I don't own a single bayonet, nor do I want one. I don't own a grenade launcher, nor do I want one. I like traditional stocks just fine. I never even adjust my collapsible stocks. So is it worth years and years of lost time in a commute from PA to eastern NJ? Not to me, not just for the sake of high cap mags. If I was heavily invested in shooting, competitions, run and gun, etc, then it'd be a tougher choice. I will definitely miss my ability to carry, but since most of our working and social life will be taking place in NJ and NYC, I don't think a PA permit to carry would help me much. There are other factors that have us looking toward PA, like house prices, property taxes and ease of finding a 3 car garage... but even then, it will be a tough sell to add an hour commute each way. Somewhere south or east of Parsippany, probably Morris / Morristown area. Here's a new question. If I arrive at my new address in NJ with all the guns and ammo I will ever need, can I go shoot at a rifle or handgun range without getting one of those ID cards? Assuming that I never need to buy more ammo or another gun. There's no reason I *can't* get a card if I need to, I just hate the idea of being on one more registry of gun owners. If I can go shoot at ranges without a card, it might be worth it to just stock up on everything before I leave Indiana. Whereas if I need a card to go shoot basically anywhere, then there is not much reason to stock up before leaving and I'll just resign myself to getting the ID card.

Thanks everyone, and oakridgefirearms, that is very helpful. The thing I noticed about the HP ammo is that I'm going to be moving, with a ton of possessions, in a truck stacked with boxes and with big ass dogs, it might even say U-Haul on the side, it's going to be pretty obvious that I'm not coming from a shooting range. Why would an officer want to search all my stuff, even if I got pulled over for some reason? I have no idea. But if they did, rather than risk running afoul, is it perfectly legal and totally normal to ship ammo to yourself via UPS? And does it matter that when it reaches my new home in NJ, I don't have one of those ammo-purchasing ID cards? If all of that is completely above board, it sounds like my best solution. I could ship it to myself, or have a friend or family member ship it to me once I get settled... as long as that is all perfectly legal. The NJ State Police pages seem very quiet on this solution. I haven't decided on the 15/20 round mags. I noticed on Charlie Coopers website that NJ is not one of the states they won't ship 15/20 or 15/30 mags to, so that makes me think this issue has been settled to some degree... hopefully I'm not just selectively noticing evidence that supports what I hope to be true. I'll be happy to hear from others and how they arrived at their opinion on the topic. You guys rock. Thanks.

Well I thought I'd figured this all out, and I didn't want to bug you with all the same questions you must get a dozen times a day.... but now I think I better vet this with you all.... Here's what I am thinking I will bring with me.... Glock pistols, stock - all magazines are 15 rounds or less. Revolvers - I didn't see any restrictions on any revolvers. Pump shotguns - they all have 6 round tubes or less (6 + 1 in the chamber). I didn't see anything about pump shotguns. Rifles - Yeah, here's where things got uncomfortable. After reading a bajilion threads on this, I decided to only take things that I don't have to modify, and I'm not bringing anything with AR or AK stamped on the receiver. So the only semi-auto rifle I'm only going to bring is a mini-14 model 5819, which has a threaded barrel with flash hider. - no collapsible or folding stock - no pistol grip - no bayonet mount - no grenade mount - since flash hider and threaded barrel were on one line, I thought this meant that both count as only one item(?) Are we 100% certain this doesn't have to be welded? 100%? I am still a bit confused about the mini-14 magazine situation. I know I can't have anything that holds more than 15 rounds. So I could bring 5-round and 10-round magazines, but I am wondering how to convert the original 20-round mags. The law seems a touch vague on that subject. From what I've read, epoxy makes it permanent, but a pin doesn't? Is this a settled issue, or is there still debate? I'd rather avoid issues that are not settled. It's not worth spending years in prison for a 20-round mag with a block and epoxy if this is not a settled issue. My last problem is the hollow point ammo. I've read the story about the guy who was moving (reportedly) and got 7 years, and then was finally pardoned... yeah, I don't need that to be me. I have read to ship the ammo to myself via UPS, from my old address to my new NJ address, as I leave Indiana. I'm a little vague on this... some people talk about how they can't get legit online stores to ship them ammo to NJ, or not without their special NJ permission card, but apparently I'm allowed to send myself ORD via UPS without any NJ card? I don't want to "circumvent" the law or have to hope I don't get caught. If this is totally legit, legal and everyone does it all the time, then I guess this is my solution, but I'd love some clarification on this. I've never had to ship ammo anywhere, let alone to myself, so this feels really weird. I think that's it. I felt like I did a lot of research but there is already a difference of opinion in my introduction thread. I didn't want to ask the same things others have asked, but now I'm a bit worried. Like I told them at the gun store the other day, I've never needed a gun lawyer before and don't want to start now. Thanks for all your help.

oh snap, yes it's a threaded barrel with a flash hider... I thought since the NJ law listed the flash suppressor or threaded barrel on the same line, they counted as one item. Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one So if there is a flash suppressor on the threaded barrel, it needs to be welded?

I just got a little nervous because I'm picking up a new mini-14, and I didn't want to suddenly find out that the garand-style mechanics are also evil. I'm already twitchy about it having a flash hider. It should be ok, as far as I can figure, since that's the only stipulated feature on it.

uh oh.... is that for real, or a personal preference?

That's funny, we were recently in NJ and someone said the same thing, so I guess I better explain for anyone else.... (I should have thought of that before choosing my screen name.) Here in Indiana, any Indiana resident is known as Hoosier. In practice it applies more to Indiana natives and long term residents, maybe not so much to someone who is here temporarily and doesn't plan to stay. Indiana University adopted the moniker for their team name, not the other way around. So a Hoosier might even go to Purdue and be a Boilermaker. I've even heard tell of Hoosier Wildcats, although I think that's more of a hypothesis. I guess that's confusing if you don't grow up with it. I had to consult wikipedia to read this "Residents of New Jersey are most commonly referred to as "New Jerseyans" or, less commonly, as "New Jerseyites"."

Hi everyone. I'll be moving from Indiana to New Jersey in March (2017) and wanted to say hello. With the dramatic change in the laws from my home state to NJ, I thought I'd better get a jump on joining a knowledgeable group and getting my stock squared away. Great to see this forum, a lot of good information on here.