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  1. Posted

    My man @galapoola really trying to make us permitless peasants squirm lmao

    If you don't want to type a detailed account of what you actually received, can you maybe react to this post with a check mark of "Agree" if you have indeed:

    Received your permit with absolutely zero court order or other written document, with no explanation of any type of restrictions whatsoever, and the only document Toms River PD handed you was the actual permit you shared a screenshot of.

    This information would be of great importance and appreciation to the many of us here who have been sharing information along the way of this entire process.

    Thank you in advance for your participation and clarification, good sir/madamme.

  2. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Liverandonions1 said:

    This is really important lol there are literally lawyers fighting the ocean county court order restrictions as we speak, but you're saying that you did not get restrictions on your court order? Can you please send a picture of the court order you received? The judge gives a court order with every single permit that she issues, even before she started adding the restrictions she gave a generic court order that just said the permit is issued, what you qualified with, etc. Can you please show us the court order? 

    I concur, considering the recent chaos, 107 pages and almost 4,000 replies on the subject, amd Ocean County being the frontrunner for extreme restrictions, a detailed explanation of what exactly mr @galapoola has received and his timeline would be extremely appreciated.

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  4. Posted

    44 minutes ago, samiam said:

    So, the only previous restriction that Monmouth actually dropped is vehicle carry?

    Appears they also dropped the bars & nightclubs, as well as the "any place that serves alcohol" restriction, which imo were just as bad as the vehicle carry restriction.

    For reference here is a copy of infamous order, although this copy was from Ocean, Daniel Francisco of monmouth confirmed receipt of the same exact order back when this first appeared.

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  5. Posted

    We have 2 confirmed PTC out of monmouth County, according to 2 gentleman within FB group Monmouth County CCW.

    These gentlemen claim to have called the courts and were permitted to go to the courthouse and pickup their permit prior to being sent back to their local pd. One gentleman claims the court has sent out a large batch of approved PTCs to their respective PDs according to the clerk handling the paperwork at MCSC, and that he was told there are only about 200 applications submitted to Monmouth county in total.

    The permits are marked with restrictions on the permit, as well as checked See Court Order. One positive thing is that the restriction to not allow carry in or on any motor vehicle has been removed from monmouth County.

    Some folks seemed to be concerned that having any restrictions listed on the actual permit, and the attached court order may jam you up in an attempt to get a non resident PA PTC as PA states your home state PTC must be "unrestricted", although the court order seems to be redundant in that the restrictions seem to be par for course already and the court are unnecessarily giving you a court order.

    Attached are the screenshots shared by the 2 gentlemen. One showing the back of his permit and the other showing a copy of his court order.

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  13. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

    The statutes and Admin Code are separate texts. 

    The Statute is:

    2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns.
        2C:58-4.   a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit.
     
       All permits to carry handguns shall expire two years from the date of issuance or, in the case of an employee of an armored car company, upon termination of his employment by the company occurring prior thereto whichever is earlier in time, and they may thereafter be renewed every two years in the same manner and subject to the same conditions as in the case of original applications.
     
       b.   Application forms. All applications for permits to carry handguns, and all applications for renewal of permits, shall be made on the forms prescribed by the superintendent. Each application shall set forth the full name, date of birth, sex, residence, occupation, place of business or employment, and physical description of the applicant, and any other information the superintendent may prescribe for the determination of the applicant's eligibility for a permit and for the proper enforcement of this chapter. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath, and shall be indorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior.
     
       c.   Investigation and approval. Each application shall in the first instance be submitted to the chief police officer of the municipality in which the applicant resides, or to the superintendent, (1) if the applicant is an employee of an armored car company, or (2) if there is no chief police officer in the municipality where the applicant resides, or (3) if the applicant does not reside in this State. The chief police officer, or the superintendent, as the case may be, shall cause the fingerprints of the applicant to be taken and compared with any and all records maintained by the municipality, the county in which it is located, the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Identification. He shall also determine and record a complete description of each handgun the applicant intends to carry.
     
       No application shall be approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent unless the applicant demonstrates that he is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun.
     
       Each application form shall be accompanied by a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun, which shall be under oath and, in the case of a private citizen, shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant's life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible, the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of the incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
     
       If the application is not approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 60 days of filing, it shall be deemed to have been approved, unless the applicant agrees to an extension of time in writing.
     
       d.   Issuance by Superior Court; fee. If the application has been approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent, as the case may be, the applicant shall forthwith present it to the Superior Court of the county in which the applicant resides, or to the Superior Court in any county where he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident or employee of an armored car company. The court shall issue the permit to the applicant if, but only if, it is satisfied that the applicant is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun in accordance with the provisions of subsection c. of this section. The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes the handguns may be carried. At the time of issuance, the applicant shall pay to the county clerk of the county where the permit was issued a permit fee of $20.
     
       e.   Appeals from denial of applications. Any person aggrieved by the denial by the chief police officer or the superintendent of approval for a permit to carry a handgun may request a hearing in the Superior Court of the county in which he resides or in any county in which he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident, by filing a written request for a hearing within 30 days of the denial. Copies of the request shall be served upon the superintendent, the county prosecutor, and the chief police officer of the municipality where the applicant resides, if he is a resident of this State. The hearing shall be held within 30 days of the filing of the request, and no formal pleading or filing fee shall be required. Appeals from the determination at the hearing shall be in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State.
     
       If the superintendent or chief police officer approves an application and the Superior Court denies the application and refuses to issue a permit, the applicant may appeal the denial in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State.
     
       f.   Revocation of permits. Any permit issued under this section shall be void at the time the holder thereof becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, and the holder of a void permit shall immediately surrender the permit to the superintendent who shall give notice to the licensing authority.
     
       Any permit may be revoked by the Superior Court, after hearing upon notice to the holder, if the court finds that the holder is no longer qualified for the issuance of a permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality, the superintendent, or any citizen may apply to the court at any time for the revocation of any permit issued pursuant to this section.
     
       amended 1979, c.179, s.12; 1981, c.135, ss.1,3,4 2018, c.37, s.1.
     
     
     

    Ok.. so I'm not confusing statute and administrative code.

    Section d is part of the statute, not the administrative code.

    Got it. 

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    6 hours ago, samiam said:

    You are confusing the Administrative Code ("A. C.") with the Penal Code (i.e. "statute"). The A. C. is supposed to comprise an explanation of the statute to allow administrative staff to more easily follow it; the "statute" is supposed to control. Unfortunately in PRNJ the Authoritae have been allowed to pick and choose from each the language that they think best supports whatever abrogation of the rights of the people they choose to inflict on any given day. 

    So when I look up New Jersey Statute 2C:58-4, and the statute is broken down in separate section listed a. through f. , you're telling me that a. through f. are administrative codes?

    Section d. of that statute is where I copy and pasted to wording you quoted me to say I was confusing statute and administrative code.

    What is the exact and complete wording of the statute, minus any administrative code?

  15. Posted

    2 hours ago, 45Doll said:

    Right. Not 'where', not 'which model', not 'specific serial number', and definitely not 'not in your vehicle'.

    'Types of handguns'? What? Semi vs. full auto? Revolver vs. pistol? Modern vs. antique? SA vs. DA triggers? What the hell does that mean?

    And BTW, what the hell do they mean by 'purposes'. 

    It's astounding that legislatures comprised of almost entirely lawyers can't write laws that don't conflict and are clear as a bell.

    Unfortunately the statute does say "where" in reference the the judges discretion for limitations.

    "The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes the handguns may be carried."

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  16. Posted

    7 hours ago, samiam said:

    I'm pretty sure that if the judge deems the process complete after issuing the permit and the accompanying court order, it would be entirely at her discretion whether or not to grant a hearing for clarification at the new permit holder's request. Guess what the outcome of that would be? That judge isn't going revisit or discuss/debate those restrictions unless forced to do so by litigation. Re: the guy in Westfield, was he "told" of the restriction to the qualifying guns (your term) or is it written on his permit or an accompanying document? That's an important distinction. Thanks.

    Here is a screenshot of his post.

    He says guns are listed on permit and those are the only ones he can carry.

    My assumption would be that his pd has notified upon picking up his permit him that he is only permitted to carry those guns listed on the permit, as seems to be the case with others who have received their permit with guns listed on the permit.

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  17. Posted

    11 hours ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    Any word from Middlesex Monday or Tuesday 

    According to FB page Middlesex County CCW, a gentleman claims he spoke to a "Veronica" and she said the judge has "signed a few" and is having trouble getting to the permits amongst busy court schedule.

    One gentleman from Middlesex chimed in and said his permit has been at the court since July 19 and it's been crickets.

    After skimming through the page, I did not find anyone claiming to have received their permit yet.

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  18. Posted

    Just wanted to give update regarding Ocean County permits.

    According to FB group Ocean County CCW, at least 2 more individuals received their permit this week, both have the court order attached with the 12 restrictions. Also saw someone from Westfield (I know, not OC) claiming to have received their permit this week with no restrictions or court order other than being told he can only carry the guns he qualified.

    Some other info from Ocean County, one gentleman says he spoke with Ms Kimberly Nye at OCSC and was given his GP number which was #500 (actual gp number is GP-OCN-500-22), meaning the county has received  500+ PTC apps so far for 2022, and he claims she told him they are working on app #100, so he can expect his permit in 6 to 8 weeks as they work through the list.

    I was just thinking about how this Ocean county judge appears to be discriminating against the entire county, saying they cannot receive the same permit as someone from bergen, or Warren County. She is also attaching this order with no court hearing.

    If there are limitations placed on your PTC, is the judge not required to give justification as to why your permit must be issued differently than the next county's permit. I understand the statute allowing discretion to place limitations, but I could have sworn the judge had to explain to the applicant why these limitations are being placed on them.

    I am aware strikeforce is on it, and CNJFO, and nappen.... but after receiving your Ocean county permit with the attached court order, couldn't you make a request to be seen by the judge to be given clarification for you limitations? Wouldn't the judge have to explain why you as an Ocean county resident must be treated differently than a Warren County resident? 

    Just trying to think outside the box a bit here. My thoughts are they aren't requiring a hearing because they don't want to allow the order to be questioned, on record, by the applicant.

    All in all, I'd expect the judges answer of "because I say so, I have the legal discretion, and public health and safety"... but for that to be on record could be very helpful.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks for reading my short novel btw.

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  19. Posted

    13 hours ago, GlockityGlockGlock said:

    18 hours ago....

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    This is beyond infuriating.

    If you want to protect residents from gun violence, let us protect ourselves from the criminals perpetuating the violence.

    I would love to see statistics of legal gun owners committing crimes vs criminals/felons committing crimes with firearms. 

    Or show me cases where someone with a carry permit in NJ committed a crime with their firearm.

    How many NJ residents have to get gunned downed for their car, or their watch, or xyz before they finally acknowledge who is committing the gun crime in this state.

    I wish there was a way to meet with these law makers and have rational discussion about their point of view and the citizens point of view.

    Part of me wants to believe they are being sincere in trying to protect people, and are scared to waiver from their beliefs, as opposed to a power hungry government trying to subdue the public. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. Idk.

    I know I'm preaching to the choir here, just have to vent my frustration.

    How don't they get that criminals would think twice or thrice about pulling a gun out on public transportation if they assumed there could several armed citizens on that bus or train.

    God help NJ.

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  20. Posted

    1 hour ago, CapGuns&SnapsKid said:

    LAWSHIELD is worthless.. I called them to see about withdrawing and using my lawyer privileges. They  put me on the phone the next day with an Evan Nappen lawyer and he flat out kept saying read the fine print we only advise and he didn't even advise me just said if you see the writing on the wall then withdraw...and we charge way more than 3k (that was the price I threw out there) for a denial hearing or even coming to the hearing before getting the PTC. whats the point for US lawshield again!? pffft 

    This is kind of alarming, as I would expect most of us, including myself, were under the assumption that Law Shield would step in to our defense regarding anything 2A related.. be it permit issues, domestic issues, etc...

    Upon reading through their terms and conditions and their website.. it looks like they offer legal defense for cases regarding SELF DEFENSE and USE OF FORCE.

    As a long time US Law Shield member, kind of disappointed, but still seems to be worth it for the time you may really have your back against the wall in either an SD or UOF situation.

    I'm thinking about reaching out to get some clarification from them. 

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    Hello all,

    I am currently a member of US Law Shield, and would like to support the 2a movement within NJ as well.

    The 2 groups I am looking at, with Life memberships, would be ANJRPC and CNJFO. I would eventually like to be a member of both, but at the moment I have budgeted enough to join one or the other.

    I would like to hear so opinions on both organizations. Which do you feel is really at the front line of the fight for our rights? Where would you spend your hard earned money, and why?

    I have been doing a lot of research and figured I'd ask this group, and upon searching the forums I didn't find a topic specifically about this.

    I do see quite a bit of contempt and disappointment shared amongst the interwebs when it comes to the NRA and ANJRPC. Is this justified? 

    I want to contribute, I want to help, I want to see our 2a rights prevail. 

    So, why CNJFO before ANJRPC.. or vice versa?

  25. Posted

    8 minutes ago, galapoola said:

    If you can, communicate to these folks that they should contact strikeforce@anjrpc.org

    I don't know who the 4 permits are.

    I was informed by the clerk at the pd when I inquired if any permits have come back from the Court yet.

    Hoping 1, some, or all of them come forward on one of these platforms so we can figure out how to move forward with fighting this ridiculous list or orders

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