Justjules

Absolutely not.

Your quoting from something out of context, get it straight first.

You should be asking the same form the people who feel they need to judge me and label me an elitist cause my opinion differs from theirs on a few topics..If we dont like NJ gun laws, move out of NJ its that simple and my opinion is we are not going to change a thing in this state, it only going to get more liberal and worse as time goes on.

Uh, no..I was not calling you or anyone on here animals...There are normal people in this world and there are animals in this world. You tell me you dont know the type of person I was referring to?? And before we go down that road, let me clarify I was not talking about any specific race or religion.. There are some people who just dont know how to fit in society and make their own rules and morals, we all have seen them. They would just as soon push an old lady down on the sidewalk to take her purse. Or molest a kid, or rape a woman, or shoot each other in the streets over drug turf...They act like animals not humans...Unless anyone on this forum is acting like that on their own time, then I was not refferring to any of you. Furthermore I classify you guys in the same category as me, I dont know where the "elitist" comments came from? We are all normal, law abiding citizens who like guns. I share a few different opinions than the rest of you so you feel you need to bash me and call me an elitist for it? pathetic that Im not entitled to my own opinions. Also my opinion of "you cant fight city hall" is just that, my opinion from having seen from first hand experience people go against the grain of politics and fight the system and loose. I dont make the rules, I just realized a long time ago, I cant change them. Politics has dug it claws into every aspect of our lives including law enforcement..I can tell you the average cop can not fully and effectively do his job without politics being involved and it is like that in every profession in this state..

I was just trying to show you how "elite" I was...

LOL...You wanna be a wise a**, Im gonna be one right back atcha.

Well now your getting way too much into it. Were talking about Laws, not even policy on photography. The same laws that allow people to sit there and videotape cops on the street, allow perverts to video tape your kids at play...Think about it.

Unfortunately for you what you want does not matter...Do my job for a few years and you would feel the same way that your protecting the public from themselves..I have seen people do horrible things to one another and themselves, after a few years you tend to get very cynical about it. There are some people that should be required to pass a test and get a permit to reproduce...

You never answered my question, but Ok Ill bite. 3 scenarios 1) There is absolutely nothing I could do if your actions did not pose an immediate threat to my safety or the occupants of my traffic stop, nor did it interfere with me performing my duties. I simply check my hair, wave and smile at you and the camera. 2) I simply pull out my camera phone and start video taping you until you get frustrated and walk away... 3)hopefully my traffic stop took place in front of a chemical plant or bridge and Therefore I can articulate how suspicious you looked filming the chemical plant and bridge in my presence so I decided to field check you as a precaution, you know with all the terrorist activity and what not. At the point you refused to answer me several times and produce a valid I.D. (keep in mind you are now the subject of an investigation of possible terrorist activity) I politely inform you that you will be arrested for Obstructing a governmental function if you do not comply with my lawful order to identify yourself and answer my inquiries. I then arrest you and take your camera into evidence and notify the FBI. Most likely I would opt for #1 or #2 preferably #2 cause I have done it before and people hate being filmed for some reason. But this is just an illustration to show you that there is always a way to twist the law and the constitution for fit your agenda, as in the Westboro Baptist Church scum who hide behind the 1st and protest dead soldiers funerals..

Logical and correct answer. Not a damn thing the police could do to him. Creepy yes, illegal no....My point was to see if a few of you guys took the bait and gave a hypocritical answer after using the word constitution several hundred times in this thread. The man would be perfectly within his right to photograph children at a public event due to your lesser expectation of privacy set forth by the US and NJ courts. The law can be twisted anyway you see fit to argue and used to protect scum or protect innocent people. In my profession I have seen that (and once again this is just my opinion) criminals seem to have more rights than the average citizen.

My point exactly...Yet the OP and several others automatically blame the police and feel they "abused their powers" or "overstepped their boundaries" or "voilated the constitution". i express that point and Im the bad guy stepping on my dick right? oh no wait, Im an elitist as some said cause i have a different opinion on some things, based on my own personal experiences.

Im just curious to see your answer...It will tell me alot about you. Do you think he broke the law?

I care about it, what i was saying is him sitting in traffic was NOT a constitutional issue, in fact none of it was any issue. He dont like sitting in traffic, move to Ohio where the population is less dense.

Surprisingly enough, I would support whatever bill you propose cause it would mean i could get bigger and better guns =-)

Lets test your knowledge: 60 year old man shows up at a swim meet for 8-9 year old girls, has a telephoto lens on his camera and proceeds to take pictures of the girls at the swim meet, despite having no children of his own. When asked by one parent what he is doing, he tells them " I think young girls are sexy". Did he break the law??

Thats how I interpreted it as well...

I joined this forum yesterday and I have heard the word "constitution" thrown around more in the past 24 hours than in my entire life...

I know dude, I know...I dont know why I bother.

Ahh, so let me ask you, do you have factual knowledge if it was indeed a suspiciousless checkpoint and the criteria you claim has to be met, was indeed not met? Or do you know for a fact that it was not a state approved DWI or safety check? or that it was indeed advertised in the local paper some time prior like is required? So your just assuming that the cops were just out to violate peoples constitutional rights?? Once again Lawmakers make the law, politicians approve it, and cops only enforce it.

What exactly were you even asking?

I see most people on here are clueless sheep..They dont even know their own rights.

Go be mad at the politicians they are the ones who: #1) created the laws #2) created the checkpoints #3) spend the generated revenue on what they see fit...

So, a policeman enforcing the law and protecting people from themselves is an abuse of power? please explain with something other that saying "cause the constitution says so man.."

Do you even know your own rights? Apparently not.. could you point me to the part of the constitution that says the Government can not enforce laws to protect their citizens driving motor vehicles?

1) because they can 2) dont need PC to look into a vehicle on a public roadway Oh your "opinion" huh? We all know what those are like...Please expound as to what boundaries they over stepped? did they illegally search you or your vehicle? Did they use excessive force upon you? Perhaps it was a silver or amber alert, perhaps they were looking for a local suspect of a crime, perhaps it was a "click it or ticket" detail (which BTW is paid for and promoted by the state and was created by the politicians not the cops, so be mad at the politicians) And please explain your theory of police abuse? So the police abused you by slowing you down and glancing at your car as you passed? You felt violated?LOL