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  1. Posted

    That would work and in my opinion is more than necessary. I use the fabric zippered cases. Much cheaper, much lighter weight and take up less space. Especially considering how many I need for various rifles and shotguns. I'd consider a hard case if I felt the need to lock them up, but since they are never out of my sight, I do not see the need. Or if I had several thousand dollars invested into the rifle. 

  3. Posted

    The new trough arrived the other day, I installed it today. The original was deformed, no doubt about it. I loaded up 10 primers in the tray for a test run. One primer seated at an angle and is now garbage. I suspect it was from when the remaining qty was too low to lower feed the primer all the way to the seating area. Lee does say that you need to manually feed the primers down when there are not enough in the trough to send them down. That's due to the lack of weight. I only noticed it when the case did not leave the seating area smoothly. 

    I have not decided yet if I trust it enough to do a full run. I also dislike the tray. My current distrust means productivity rates would be no better than other means of priming.

  4. Posted

    55 minutes ago, 15636215 said:

    I retired as an IATSE Local 21.  stagehand. Worked on many live shows with firearms. Actor NEVER checked firearm . Propman kept firearm in his posession at all times unless it was on stage. It always was on the prop person. That is a union position. On this set the union had walked. there were scabs running the set. 

       they will be the ones charged as well as alec.

     

    I appreciate your viewpoint and actual experience. In your experience, was it common for the actor to observe somebody else checking the firearm, as described in the video I linked above?

  5. Posted

    2 hours ago, 124gr9mm said:

    Perhaps multiple people.

    I'd think Baldwin (shooter and Producer), AD, armorer, and the unknown person who put live rounds in the gun could be charged.

    I would agree all those people should probably be charged, if everything that has been reported is accurate. What charges I wouldn't predict, I'm not familiar enough with the legal definitions, also NM's laws/definitions could be different than NJ.

    There's been speculation that person(s) used that gun for live fire target practice during lunch, right before the incident. I wonder if anyone will either admit to it or other people will report who did it. 

  6. Posted

    A common statement I see in defense of Baldwin is "actors are not responsible, that's what a prop master, armorer and/or AD are for". Also, "it's the way Hollywood does it, they've always done it that way". That reminds me of the defenses of the casting couch behavior as well, but that's not what this thread is about. 

    Ian Hudson was an actor on Rust and on the same set. Here is what he was quoted as saying: 

    <Hudson says the other, more experienced actors checked their weapons 2 or 3 times after they received them from the armorer, and it didn't matter whether they were told the gun was "cold" or "hot." Baldwin did not check the weapon, but rather relied on the assistant director who assured him the gun was "cold."> 

    So, that contradicts the common defense that actor's do not check the condition of a firearm. I think  when he said "other, more experienced actors" he means compared to himself, not the killer, but I could be wrong. Link: https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/26/rust-actor-shooting-camera-protection-alec-baldwin/

    Then I came across this video of actor Jeffrey Wright. In this video he states he has never not had someone show him a gun was clear before taking possession of it. I can easily see this video being used as evidence, or Jeffrey Wright and Ian Hudson being called to the stand to refute the whole "the actor is not responsible" BS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkeCK13G1NM 

    I've also seen (didn't copy the link, but it shouldn't be too hard to find) the liability insurance policy was for "only" 6 million. And if there was a clause in the policy regarding negligence, the insurer could refuse to pay out anyway. Some media outlets are making it sound like the New Mexico DA is leaning towards bringing criminal charges against someone. Who is the big question. 

     

  7. Posted

    26 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

    Multiple sources now confirm the reports you saw.

    The armorer and AD cleared the gun and it was handed to Baldwin for staging/blocking...but the cast/crew then broke for lunch and some crew members WENT PLINKING WITH THE GUNS!

    Armorer, AD, and Baldwin obviously didn't clear the gun prior to resuming things, and Baldwin shot the girl.

     

    I've also read covid is to blame, due to restrictions on the number of people allowed on set or in the armory at one time. They claim that is why the guns were left unsupervised outside of the armory on a cart. This NY Post article is one of the more detailed I've seen. It's also where my question in another thread of what Baldwin would have done if the script called for him to put the gun to his temple and pull the trigger came from. 

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/no-denying-alec-baldwins-role-in-shooting-mishap-tragedy/

     

  8. Posted

    Apologies for the very late follow-up. 

    I did contact Ruger and they repaired it for a total cost to me of $35 in shipping fees. I can't complain about that. Sadly, they did not tell me what they did to repair it, even though I asked and was told it would be on the repair order paperwork, it wasn't. It was a problem the the gun itself though, not the magazines. 

    It is now functioning perfectly, that's the most important part.

  9. Posted

    I've seen reports he was cross-drawing from a holster. That and the era the movie was based on seems a valid assumption that it was at least a revolver. I've read much speculation it was a single action only revolver, but I don't think I've seen anything that confirms that.  

    I've seen multiple claims that live fire target practice not related to the actual filming was done with the same guns. I've not seen who authorized that activity. I believe that claim came from some of the union workers that walked off the set that morning. 

  11. Posted

    27 minutes ago, gleninjersey said:



    I would have to search Google but it would be interested to see if there similiar accidents when westerns were big.  I wonder if the culture then compared to now effected who actors handled guns.  Back in the 40s and 50s gun laws were much more relaxed and people seemed to have more of a sense of personal responsibilty.  I doubt there were many "antigun" people back then.  Back then perhaps they had more personal experience handling firearms and more of a respect for them.  Rather than now where "it's just a prop" and "it's someone else's responsibilty to make sure it's safe".
     

    I've had that thought the last few days as well. Similar to "mass shootings" and shootings taking place in schools. That topic is an entire different thing however. 

    So many other differences between then and now also. I think back then directors and special effects people relied on camera angles and forced prospective to trick the eye more than they may do now. So although it appeared to the viewer a gun was pointed at someone, it wasn't in reality. There's also the speed and near unrestricted capability at which information travels now. Back then there were fewer media outlets and they controlled nearly all dissemination of news. It was much easier to cover things up. Now the vast majority of the population of most nations can spread both truth and lies or propaganda viewable to the masses as quickly as they can type and hit send. 

    The big take away for me is personal responsibility. I find it greatly lacking in our society. I think it was more prevalent back then. I base that mostly on watching it become even more lacking through the years I've been alive to witness it. 

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  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, 124gr9mm said:

    Interesting.

    Do you think there should be any guns used in movies?

    John Wick

    Saving Private Ryan

    Kindergarten Cop

    Lethal Weapon

    Etc, etc, etc...


    Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

    If you're angry that guns were used in any of those movies I applaud you for your consistency.  In all of those movies guns were handled in a way where other actors and people on set were flagged, fingers were on triggers, etc...

    I'm not sure if you're asking what I think about guns being used in the storyline in general or the usage of guns during filming.

    What I was trying to portray, which I may not have done well enough, is many people believe what they see in movies/shows is an accurate portrayal. I think some of these people then mimic what they see when they pickup a firearm, possibly subconsciously. There is a difference in someone picking up a gun and intentionally pulling the trigger vs picking up a gun and immediately putting their finger on the trigger causing a negligent discharge. That's already happened way too often. Is it because of what they see on tv? I don't know. Do I think it is a possible factor? Yes. 

    I've taken many first time shooters to the range and too many have the tendency to pickup a gun and immediately put their finger on the trigger. In fact, I took a first timer today. She was the only one I've not had to correct for finger placement at least once. Yes, I go over safety and proper handling before I hand them a gun. Then I hand them an unloaded one and have them show me it's clear and build up from there. But the impulse is there too often. Is it because they are mimicking what they see on tv? Is it due to some hardwiring in our brains? Is it from the design of the gun matching the shape of our hands? I don't know. Is it too much to ask for Hollywood to be a bit more aware? I don't think so. 

    If you're asking about the filming of the movies... Do I think it is ever ok to point or sweep a loaded firearm at person that is not a threat? Absolutely not. Do I believe every single person that is handed a firearm is responsible for the safe handling of the firearm no matter what someone told them? Without a doubt, yes. If I did not believe I could trust someone with a firearm, I'd never hand it to them or leave one where they could access it. 

    To your last paragraph, I guess I'm angry that a woman is dead due to negligence and once again this tragedy will be used against responsible gun owners in an attempt to take away our rights. 

  14. Posted

    The argument against him being responsible I see the most is he followed protocols based on "how it's done on set". "It's always done that way, other people are responsible, the actor is not expected to be responsible or know the safety rules." Just because "that's how it's done" doesn't mean it's the right way or how it should be. La Costra Nostra has their own rules they've followed for decades, does that make what they do right? 

    Another thing I find infuriating is how Hollywood perpetuates the poor handling of firearms. How often do you see an actor immediately put his/her finger on the trigger? I've recently started re-watching The Sopranos (could you tell with the LCN reference above); in one episode Tony removes a revolver from someone's jacket and immediately has his finger on the trigger waving it around. I think he even cocked the hammer. He had no intention of firing it. 

    I have zero sympathy for Baldwin. I have some sympathy for the people he shot, even though they put themselves in harms way. I am most upset that anytime people do stupid things with guns, it's bad for responsible owners. 

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  16. Posted

    21 minutes ago, H2oVento said:

    correct me if I am wrong dosen't NJ limit you to one purchase every 30 days, so than you can only buy 12 per year,

    The OGAM (one gun a month) applies to handguns only. You could buy as many long guns as you want at once. That doesn't mean it wouldn't raise some eyebrows if you bought 10 at once, but it is legal. 

    There is a OGAM exemption that allows for the transfer of multiple handguns at once. You need to have all serial numbers in advance and apply for permission and pay more fees. 

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  17. Posted

    If the allegations in this article are true, it further reduces the "accident" theory. Negligence all around. Some people were concerned enough over the lack of safety and proper equipment they walked away hours before. 

    This article also has the most information I've seen so far, too much to copy & paste here. 

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

     

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  18. Posted

    1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

    He is only a murderer if he intended to kill the victim.

    Guilty of homicide, for sure. Not necessarily murder.

    Consider if you shot and killed someone in self defense. You would have caused the death of that someone, but it would not have been murder.

    There are other degrees of homicide between a justified killing and murder, too.

    Point taken and I agree, I used the wrong noun. 

    I still say he bears responsibility in the death of a woman and should be treated like any other random person would be and face the consequences of his actions. 

  19. Posted

    "A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza," the union said in an email to members, reports Insider. "Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects, and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet."

     

    It remains unconfirmed if it was a live round or a blank that was fired; a prop masters' union described it on Friday morning as a 'live round' and Baldwin was heard asking people around him why he'd been handed a 'hot gun'. 

    'In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,' he was heard saying. 

    A spokesman for both the film production and Baldwin said on Thursday night that it was an accident involving a 'gun loaded with blanks'.  

    It is common on movie sets for actors  to use real guns loaded with blanks or dummy bullets to give a more lifelike effect in shooting. But it remains unclear how a blank could have killed Hutchins, or how a live round accidentally ended up in the gun's chamber when Baldwin pulled the trigger. 

    The movie's prop master - who is ordinarily in charge of the weapons - has not yet been named. (Daily Mail)

     

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/10/22/baldwin-speaks-out-n2597874

     

  20. Posted

    Was texting a friend about this earlier. AB's actions caused the death of someone, he is a murderer. That seems rather clear to me. He pulled the trigger.

    Very few people in the World know all of the facts right now. Those facts would determine who else holds partial blame for the death. I think there are probably several people who hold partial blame. Many safety rules had to have been broken here. 

    If Jane Doe handed John Doe a firearm and said it's not loaded, then John pointed that firearm at Jill Doe and pulled the trigger, sending a projectile into Jill's body causing her death, who would be facing murder charges? John would be. Sure, Jane might face some charges herself, but John would not walk away free. The fact that this tragedy (which it still is, no matter who was responsible) happened on a movie set, has zero bearing on anything else, in my opinion. 

    AB needs to face the consequences of his actions. The fact that he probably will not serves as further proof Justice is not in fact blind as we're all asked to believe. There are rules for them and rules for us. 

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  21. Posted

    The paper manual that shipped with the Press has a Feb 2021 date, so I'm thinking I have the new style. Lee is sending me a new chute (they call it a through) and torsion spring at no charge. Hopefully that resolves the issues. 

    I have asked for actual photographs from them three times now. They still just keep sending the CAD images.  

  24. Posted

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