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  2. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Malsua said:

    That people under 20 aren't showing symptoms?  Why?  We will know ultimately, as of now though?  We have to assume they are all little pig pens spewing trillions of virii in their wake and trading it with each other like baseball cards.

     

    That anyone asymptomatic is significantly contagious. If we understand what’s going on there, we might be able to address it.

  3. Posted

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/15/gun-sales-surging-citizens-react-possibility-civil-unrest/
     

    An article on Breitbart by AWR Hawkins about people stocking up and buying guns in anticipation of civil unrest.  Mentions a doctor who said, “I want to buy a handgun, I think they call it a Glock, but I’m not sure. I have a house and a family, and they’ll need protection if things get worse. The fear is that civil services will break down.”  Sounds new to firearms. I wonder what his stance on them was before now?

  4. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Malsua said:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

    If you want to read about  asymptomatic transmission, read that article.

    Children are most likely to have no symptoms.  Interestingly enough, the people without symptoms were shedding more virus than the ones with symptoms. 

    Social distancing is the only thing that works.   

     

     

    Researchers need to dig into that further.  It sounds like there is a decent evidence of it but they need to understand exactly how that is happening. Are they Pig Pen from Peanuts?  Or is something else going on?  

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  5. Posted

    Just now, fishnut said:

    All schools shut down for summer break, why not just have summer break now? 

    For the win.....

    Actually, for some people it will cost money to deal with the kids being out of school like it would in the summer.  So I get that. But if there was a need for some assistance...this might be a good place for it.

  6. Posted

    Yes, but these are projections based on confirmed test results which do not fully account for the real number of infections in the population.  The reality is we just do not know for sure yet.  But.... the world is acting like it does know for sure.

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  7. Posted

    Ok... wait a minute.  Italy averages 17,000 deaths per flu season due to the flu. These are their stats from 2014 to 2018.  The research notes Italy has the highest mortality rate for flu in Europe.

    That’s an average of about ...

    94 per day......

    Higher in the peak times.  Like....  now. Say... 180-200.

    Assuming flu season is 6 months. Versus 13 weeks as notes for some regions.

    Yet someone posted  lengthy obituaries to point out the number of deaths from corona. So...  do Italians not do obits for flu deaths?

     

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  10. Posted

    1 minute ago, Sniper said:

    Here is the weekly update from the CDC for the seasonal flu as of March 7th:

    ...."CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu."

    Why hasn't there been any media hysteria about those numbers???

    Does the lives of the 22,000 don't matter to the MSM versus the 57 Covid deaths in the country now?

    Good question.  Isn’t is typical to ask...who benefits?

  11. Posted

    The more I learn about what has been happening since December, the more I believe this has been out there with the same impact on health since then but it was not being attributed to corona, but to an as of yet unnamed respiratory viral infection.  All of it is from health care professionals and one I know personally who in charge of crisis response at a large hospital near Atlanta.

    If the infections that were not identified back in Dec and Jan here in the US are due to covid-19 then the graphs you see now should actually be stacked on top of graphs that were never done or published for unattributed viral infections.  Including the resulting fatalities.

    Why does this matter?  If this is actually the case, and there’s just as much argument for it as against it, the hysteria happening now did not happen while the same contagion spread the same way but went unnoticed.

    I’m not talking a conspiracy. I’m talking about unnecessary hysteria and idiocy.  I sure hope we find out but we may never know.

  13. Posted

    24 minutes ago, 45Doll said:

    I did email my post to Tucker and got a delivery receipt. Whether or not he or his staff will read it... who knows.

    And Kevin, I'll record Janine later tonight and review it. Thanks.

    It’s worth a viewing.

    Also... this article about a professional expat living in Italy.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-quarantine-italy-mistakes

     It focuses on the quarantine and mistakes made by Italians. But pay attention to the passage toward the end about how her and many people she knew were very sick.....in Dec and Jan....  her symptoms describe almost to a tee what my whole family had during that same time.  She does not say she was tested then or now.  But it’s interesting to consider what caused that odd illness.

    For us.... my son attends Drexel U in Philly.  That school had a large number of Chinese nationals as students.  Thousands....  of the 14,500 attendees. He was sick first... then my daughter who he hangs out with and attends St. Joe’s in Philly. Then my wife.. then me.

    It was bad and identical to what she described. We were all tested for flu and were negative.  But my daughter tested positive for an unidentifiable virus.

    Now I read that there are reports that wuflu began in China as early as November. No conclusions can be drawn. But it would be interesting to see the results of a test for antibodies.

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  14. Posted

    9 hours ago, 45Doll said:

    So, let's see if I understand. Given today's national posture and assuming the testing process is 100% accurate:

    - You have no symptoms, we test you anyway, and you test negative. Course of action? Go home and practice good hygiene and social isolation.

    - You have no symptoms, we test you anyway, and you test positive. Course of action? Go home and practice good hygiene and social isolation.

    - You have symptoms, we test you, and you test negative. Course of action? Go home and practice good hygiene and social isolation. You have something other than corona. Come back if your symptoms become very serious.

    - You have symptoms, we test you, and you test positive. Course of action? Go home and practice good hygiene and social isolation. Come back if your symptoms become very serious.

    The exception would be if your symptoms, regardless of the cause, were initially so serious you obviously required hospitalization. This would be true for any infection.

    I mention this because Tucker really pissed me off last night implying that we should be testing everyone, and that somehow not testing everyone would result in some different and presumably terrible scenario. And if we don't have millions of test kits right now to test everyone and their brother we're all doomed. He's been harping on this all week, like test kits were the difference between salvation and disaster.

    What he did not ask, and what I have heard no one ask, is 'What is the difference in your treatment based on a positive or negative test result?'. Again, assuming you're not displaying hospitalization level symptoms.

    Anyone got a thought about that?

    I understand it would be nice if we instantly knew each and every person carrying the corona. That could allay some fears about the scope of this thing, or confirm that the current separation recommendations are important. So other than cost and effort there's no downside to widespread testing.

    But unless we're going to immediately and forcibly slam anyone testing positive into isolation, I don't see the courses of action or treatments changing because the testing band is narrow or wide.

    The Surgeon General said exactly this tonight as a guest on Judge Jeanine.  The results aren’t going to change what we tell you to do.

    Tucker has bugged me all week as well.  Since we are essentially all limiting our interaction or eliminating it and if we have symptoms, we are...or should be..isolating so as not to infect anyone with whatever we might have.

    I thunk Tucker’s motivation is based on the belief that people without symptoms but are infected and don’t know it, will communicate the virus to other because they won’t isolate.  A week ago that was a good concern. But it is significantly less of a concern now.  Plus... symptomless people are said to be less likely to transmit to others, provided the people involve practice simple basic hygiene. 
     

    So the answer is.... practice good hygiene .... whoever the hell you are.

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  15. Posted

    In my company, the company heads sent everyone home as of the close of business yesterday. The key reason for doing that is to keep everyone off of mass transit. A few of us will visit the office solo each week if there’s a reason to do so and can drive themselves in.  It also depends on the overall situation.

    So not locking down.  But definitely restricting contact. A lot.

  16. Posted

    1 hour ago, Sniper said:

    Think about it... What if you bought a container of masks or toilet paper in January? What could you get for them now? Maybe he's a capitalist!

    Yeah. That occurred to me.  Barter stock. But for this issue...it seems less probable.

    EMP strike....  ?  Much more likely.   But then again... With something thst sends us back to the stone age.... I might want s life time supply of ammo.

  17. Posted

    I would expect that food-type groceries, which are nearly all domestically produced, are fine at this time.  Other hard goods ..like TP. And cleaning products... that has a lower turnover rate in normal times, will be sporadically available.  

  18. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Sniper said:

    @AVB-AMG

    You mean when Trump instituted the travel ban from China in January, and caught all types of shit from your buddies in Congress and the media.?

    Is it just like Obama calling H1N1 a national emergency 6 MONTHS later and after 1,000 people died?

    LIke CNN, WaPo and NYT?

    Where do you think Trump gets HIS information from? The tooth fairy?

    You should really consider NOT drinking and posting.

    Its sad isn’t it. Even when we should be working together as human beings, he goes out of his way to take irrational shots at Trump.  The marxists know no bounds in their quest for power.  The lackeys of marxists know no bounds in their efforts to atone for their misguided white guilt.  “I know black people...please like me!”

    Maybe this thread in the Prep forum needs to get back on track.

  19. Posted

    5 hours ago, dilbert1967 said:

    Wow!  The Walmart near me is fully stocked as of this morning.  The irony for me is that I will be on a plane more than I ever have been since I started with the program I work with.  I fly to Texas next week and Kansas in June......so far.

    Each Walmart gets a minimum of Three 53’ trailers a day.  Pretty much everything in grocery, paper products and chem and personal care gets dropped every day.  If you have a 24 hr one near you, go before sunrise.  

  20. Posted

    3 minutes ago, NJSigfan said:

    It’s everywhere...

    was in the heritage guild Branchburg store today.  Some dude walked in wearing a gas mask, rubber gloves and literally bought the last 6 cases of 556 and 5 cases on 9mm.  
     

    it was the oddest thing I’ve ever seen.  The clerk said people have been coming in buying any and everything.  He’s not sure it’s Biden getting the lead or CV.  

    How much ammo can someone who was never a Ranger or SEAL go through in a gun fight?  I mean... I’m all for having a Really good stock, but if you’re expecting a gun fight in a few weeks, why buy 6 cases?  Seems like it would be over after a mag or two.

  22. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Sniper said:

    That's going to twist up a whole bunch of people's panties.

    Problem is, it's too late... the virus is already here.

    It helps prevent new clusters that result from inbound travelers. Better than not doing it...but would have in hindsight, been better to have done it already.

    Apparently, the NBA season has been cancelled.

    (yawn)

    9 minutes ago, Sniper said:

    Remember, even our seasonal flu vaccine is only 40% effective, and many who take it still get sick. And the flu vaccine has been developed and made for decades, and they still can't get it right. Look at the number of flu infections each year, even with the vaccine. So, I wouldn't put any large faith in a Covid vaccine.

    The getting it right part is matching the strains that will come out.  As I understand it, this year was a pretty good match for the 4 strains being seen.  Its not about how effective it is when it matches.  

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  23. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Sniper said:

    Also, regarding ages, the median age in China and the US is 38. The median age in Italy is 46. So, Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world, which would also make them more susceptible to Covid.

    I did not know that.

    I wonder if Italians are hoarding TP?  I still don’t get why TP is being cleaned out.  I mean..its good for the rest of us in terms of product availability that they are largely ignoring their food supply.  They think the supply chain will be disrupted...but only for TP.

    Unreal...

  24. Posted

    Just now, Malsua said:

    Social distancing is king.  Avoid gatherings, groups, etc.  STAY THE EFF HOME!

    I have been Vulcan greeting everyone.  Live long and prosper.

     

    When I walk through NYC I notice people tend to space themselves apart more in recent days. 

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  25. Posted

    27 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said:

    Maybe the overall population has a 1% chance of dying currently. That number will change if the healthcare system, specifically ICU beds, are maxed out. From what I've read those over 70 in Italy were at about an 11% mortality rate for COVID-19 infections the last time I checked. Our healthcare is superior in the US, but the system can only handle so much at once. 

    There are about 46 million people over the age of 70 in the US. Then you have those with health conditions suspected of being more susceptible; asthma (25 million), diabetes (33 million), and uncontrolled Stage 2 Hypertension (37 million). It's likely some people have more than 1 condition, but it's still a lot of people at risk. 

    The other factor related to the mortality rate is that this has no vaccine.  With a vaccine the rate would be much lower. Maybe comparable to typical flu outbreaks. 
     

    Yes, thats a lot of people at risk. Context, flu infection rates.... % or people who get the flu... varies from 3% to 15% per year.  Nowhere near everyone. But a lot some years.

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