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  1. Here is another article on this thread’s topic, from the Oct. 16, 2020 issue of the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/veterans-suicides-guns-firearms.html?referringSource=articleShare AVB-AMG Focusing on Firearms Proves Contentious in Struggle to Reduce Veterans’ Suicides The gun control debate complicated an effort to encourage frank talk by health professionals about the risks posed by firearms. By Dave Phillips The suicide rate among military veterans keeps edging higher, and to address it Congress passed a major bill this fall, named in honor of a Navy SEAL named Cmdr. John Scott Hannon who was an outspoken proponent of veterans’ mental health treatment before he took his own life with a gun in 2018. But at the last minute, lawmakers stripped the bill of a proven prevention technique that saves veterans’ lives, and might have saved the life of Commander Hannon. Why? Because the provision in question touched a third rail in Washington politics: the danger posed by firearms. The Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act, now awaiting the president’s signature, still does things the commander’s family says he would be proud of: funding community organizations that work with veterans, and scholarships to train more mental health professionals. But before it was modified, the bill would also have required health care workers who treat veterans to be trained on how to talk with at-risk patients about the danger of having guns in the house and about how to reduce that risk — a strategy known as lethal-means safety. Evidence shows that reducing access to lethal means can drastically cut the risk of suicide. And for veterans, especially, the lethal means are overwhelmingly firearms. The suicide rate among veterans has been climbing for more than a decade, and is now roughly double that of the nation as a whole. Americans who die by suicide use a gun about half the time, but among veterans, the figure is 70 percent. The lethal-means provision that was stripped from the bill was introduced by Representative Lauren Underwood, Democrat of Illinois. “I’m a public health nurse, so I’m trained to look at the data and design policies that are effective and evidence-based,” Ms. Underwood said in a statement. “The data we have shows there’s no solution to the veteran suicide crisis without improving lethal-means safety.” The Department of Veterans Affairs has been trying to develop ways to talk to veterans about guns and suicide for more than a decade, but the topic is so culturally and politically fraught that progress has been slow and uneven, in part because doctors do not want to alienate patients. The lethal-means provision would have provided mandatory training to nearly all Veterans Affairs doctors and mental health professionals, as well as private doctors who treat patients with veterans’ health benefits. Like the conversations doctors have had for years with cigarette smokers, the approach involves making sure the patient understands the dangers of easily accessible guns, and then asking whether the patient wants to come up with a plan to reduce those dangers. Suggestions include locking up the guns in the house or storing them with a friend, relative or local gun club until the patient’s risk of suicide has subsided. The lethal-means safety approach has broad support among major veterans’ groups, and it was included in a list of 10 suicide prevention recommendations released by the White House in the spring. But some veterans’ groups opposed the strategy, saying the mere suggestion that veterans remove guns from their homes could deter them from seeking mental health care. “This emphasis on firearms misses the point,” Sherman Gillums, chief of strategy for the veterans group Amvets, which opposed the legislation, said in a commentary posted online before the bill was passed. He said veterans’ mental health care should focus on better therapy techniques and reducing reliance on medications, adding, “I’m not encouraged by this emphasis on the action that was taken and not the underlying cause.” Anything that smacks of gun control is political kryptonite for conservatives. Despite White House backing, Ms. Underwood was unable to find a Republican co-sponsor for the lethal-means safety provision. House Democrats added the provision to the bill, but it was removed during negotiations with the Republican-controlled Senate, according to two people familiar with the negotiations. Despite the setback, prevention experts say it makes sense to continue to expand lethal-means safety, whether or not it is mandated by law. “If you want to really make a dent in preventing suicide, this would have the most impact,” said Russell Lemle, the former chief psychologist for the San Francisco Veterans Affairs hospital system. For years, he said, the medical profession has generally tried to reduce suicide by treating patients’ underlying mental health issues. But epidemiologists have realized that impressive gains can be made by making the physical act of suicide more difficult and less lethal. “Suicide is often an impulsive act,” Dr. Lemle said. “If we can put distance between the impulse and the means, we can make a real difference.” When access to an especially lethal method is restricted, the suicide rate often drops. Up until the 1960s, the ovens and stoves in many British homes used coal gas, which was rich in dangerous carbon monoxide and was implicated in many deaths, accidental or intentional. As the country transitioned to safer natural gas the suicide rate fell by one-third. Bangladesh struggled in the 1990s with a high rate of suicide by ingesting toxic insecticides. After the country banned the most lethal poisons in 2000, the suicide rate dropped by one-quarter. The United States applies the same principle to physical locations like the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and the Coronado Bridge in San Diego, where barriers and nets are starting to be installed to protect suicidal people. Because so many suicides are gun deaths, they present a huge opportunity for prevention if doctors and other health workers can find an effective way to talk to veterans about guns, according to Dr. Matthew Miller, who teaches epidemiology at Northeastern University and is a leading researcher on gun violence. “We know the risk is there,” Dr. Miller said. But studies show that only about 10 percent of gun owners are aware of the higher risk, he said, suggesting that there is enormous room to inform people and encourage them to change their habits. Veterans Affairs has trained more than 20,000 health care workers in recent years to talk to patients about lethal-means safety. The language removed from the John Scott Hannon bill would have made that training mandatory for many more health care professionals. “If there is a good relationship with the patient, it doesn’t have to be culturally charged, it can come from a place of real concern, just like a doctor might talk about the risks of smoking,” Dr. Miller said. Those conversations, though, carry their own risk. Opponents say that required lethal-means safety stigmatizes mental illness and may deter people from seeking care, which is also a criticism of so-called red flag laws that allow the police in several states to temporarily confiscate firearms from people who are deemed by a judge to be a danger to themselves or to others. A survey of veterans who served in the military after 2001 found that 21 percent were hesitant to get mental health care from Veterans Affairs because they were worried their guns would be confiscated. The department’s first effort at lethal-means safety was to give away gun locks to veterans. The program was met with an uproar when recipients of the free locks were asked to give their addresses and say how many guns they owned. Opponents accused the department of trying to start a federal gun registry. Dr. Lemle, who became a senior policy analyst at the Veterans Healthcare Policy Institute after leaving Veterans Affairs last year, said the system’s reluctance to speak openly about the problem of guns had only fueled disinformation. “The idea is not to restrict anyone,” Dr. Lemle said. “This is not a gun rights issue, it’s about coming up with a mutually derived plan to be safe. For too long, I think we’ve been afraid to talk about it, to the disservice of our patients.” Commander Hannon, whom the prevention bill is named after, may be a case in point. After a 23-year career serving around the world with the SEALs, he retired in 2011 and moved to Montana, where he struggled for years with post-traumatic stress, traumatic brain injuries and bipolar disorder. He found solace in therapy programs that used animals, and in helping other veterans. He owned several guns. Out of concern for his safety, his family stored the guns with a fellow SEAL at one point, but he soon demanded them back. His sister, Kim Parrott, said the family never formally learned how to talk to him about the dangers guns pose to veterans with mental health disorders.
  2. @Romeo: FYI - this question and concern has been addressed in previous posts in this thread. AVB-AMG
  3. After searching for awhile I was finally able to recently locate and purchase, via mail order, 250 rounds of Federal Premium Law Enforcement (Tactical), 12 GA, 2 3/4”, 00 Buckshot (9 pellets), Item LE132, without paying a ridiculous price-gouging markup. This additional quantity of shotgun ammunition will compliment my large supply of Hornady Critical Defense, 2 3/4”, 12 GA 00 Buckshot, that I was able to purchase in several orders from different vendors earlier this year. Unfortunately, this specific ammo from Hornady has been increasingly mor difficult to locate and acquire since that time and has been and is still on back order from most retailers nationally. I believe it is important to have a plentiful supply of ammo to regularly practice with, that is the same ammo you choose to depend on if, God-forbid, the self/home defense scenario ever presents itself. These are the only two factory HD shotgun shells that I plan to use in my Benelli M2 semi-automatic 12 GA shotgun. I am reassured by the expressed opinions and experience of those here on NJGF, ( I.e. @High Exposure and @Ray Ray), who are more familiar than I am with these two shotgun shells for use for home defense. I am also confident in the design characteristics and reputation of consistent quality control of factory manufacture of both of these shotgun shells, and that both will effectively serve their intended purpose. AVB- AMG
  4. The various videos of the two explosions in Beirut are dramatically shocking, chilling and sobering! Speaking to an associate of mine today, who knows more about this than I do, he explained what it is that we see on those videos. He said that the so-called, very large white dome expanding rapidly through the air is an overpressure wave caused by the mass of exploding ammonium nitrate fertilizer. That in turn, pushes molecules of humid air against each other as it moves Out in all directions. This wave of air reflects and bounces, destroying some buildings while causing less damage to others. As @GRIZ mentioned, the detonation of almost 2,800 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer would make this presumed accidental industrial explosion in Beirut one of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions on record. My friend told me that the approx. 2,800 tons of the fertilizer in the Beirut warehouse was roughly equivalent to 1,155 tons of TNT. With 135 deaths (so far), and at least 5,000 people injured, this is the last thing the Lebanese people needed, on top of dealing with the COVID-19 virus pandemic.... AVB-AMG
  5. @Handyman and @carl_g: You guys are missing the point and not seeing the big picture… The COVID-19 virus pandemic and resulting shelter-in-place orders that kept cars and trucks off the roads, has been the catalyst for the surge in interest in bicycles and the motivation for families to purchase bikes for both exercise and basic utility. Many folks are dusting off old bikes and buying new ones for family recreation, exercise, and occasionally, transportation. I have seen it around my neighborhood and surrounding towns on the roads I travel. Since April, there has been a swell in activism that has brought many more bicycle riders out in record numbers, emboldened by the reduced number of cars, traffic and polluted air. I spoke today with the manager of the Summit branch of Hilltop Bicycles, a chain of five bicycle retail stores, who sell and service a variety of brands of bicycles and who performed the servicing on my Cannondale M2000 mountain bike. He told me that he has never seen a surge in business like this before and that is has just been insane. He said that their weekly store coordination meetings have revealed that their sales of bicycles, equipment and repair services from March through June, have almost doubled compared with the same period last year and that their sales of commuter and fitness bikes increased 66%, leisure bikes jumped 125%, children’s bikes went up 60% and electric bikes rose 85%. Not surprising to me, he said that by mid-May, they had sold out of low-end consumer bikes costing less than $1,000. When I told him about my sale today of my 1992 Cannondale M2000 mountain bike for $250 he said congratulations.... and that he was not surprised with that price, since he knew its condition, along with the current extremely low available inventory for any new or used bike under $1,000. He also speculated that most of his suburban customers will never use a mountain bike for real off-rode riding, making a front and/or rear suspension feature a non-factor. Will this sellers market situation last…? Probably not. Once bicycle inventory is replenished and people resume their pre-COVID routines, all of those bikes may once again start to gather dust in garages. But until then, if you have an old bicycle you are not using you can probably get a pretty penny for it right now…. Also, FYI, I have taken very good care of my bike and BTW, I took that bike up to Maine and rode it in the Acadia National Park, up to the top of Cadillac Mountain to witness the earliest sunrise in the United States.... AVB-AMG
  6. @carl_g: I was surprised by your claimed assumption, thinking it was too low. So I did more research on current used bicycle values, via Bicycle Blue Book. They indicated that my bicycle in excellent condition was probably worth around $170 - $185 tops. As I suspected, it is currently a sellers-market for most good to excellent condition bicycles, especially the better quality bicycle name brands like Trek, Specialized and Cannondale. Ultimately, I have discovered that good quality bikes that are in very good condition, can command around a 30% - 40% premium over valuations made and assumed accurate 6 months ago, ( i.e. Bicycle Blue Book). FYI, I have been very pleasantly surprised by the number and quantity of responses I have had in less than 24 hours from listing it for possible sale. I have now received four inquiries about the bike, some back and forth discussion, followed by two cash offers and negotiations. I agreed to sell it to one of those folks for $250 cash. He told me that after searching for the past two months for an older, high quality mountain bike that had not been abused, he had not had any luck. He said that there were not many bikes currently for sale with those quality components, in really good condition, let alone with relatively new, low mileage tires/tubes, chain and saddle, for less than $350. - $400. So it was a very quick and easy, win-win sale. We will finalize our deal and he will pick up the bike this weekend. AVB-AMG
  7. @Sota You have balls.....? News to me! AVB-AMG
  8. I have a 1992 Cannondale M2000 mountain bike that has a 22 inch size aluminum frame that I am considering selling since I have replaced it with a newer hybrid bicycle with a carbon frame. At the time I purchased it new, it was the top-of-the-line mountain bike that Cannondale made back in 1992. I had it totally reconditioned and serviced several years ago at a local bike shop, and had them replace the existing tires/tubes, brakes, chain and seat. I also have two extra inner tubes for the tires. I have not yet researched what the current market value is for this bike, but assume that due to the current high demand for bicycles, even an older, high-quality mountain bike that has been well maintained, should command a higher price than it would have even one year ago. If this is a bike that might interest you send me a PM and your cash purchase offer. Thanks. Here is a photo of the bike, along with the specifications: AVB-AMG Specifications Year Produced:.................................................... 1992 Model:............................................................... M2000 MSRP:................................................................$1,380 Color:................ Black with Silver Hyper-Highlight (E) Weight:........................................................... 24.5 lbs Frame Size:.............................................................. 22 Frame:....... Cannondale 3.0 Series Mountain, Aluminum Fork:........................... Cannondale Pepperoni, Aluminum Headset:....................................................... Ritchey Logic Rear Derailleur:............................. Shimano Deore XT SIS Front Derailleur:.................................. Shimano Deore XT Hubs:........................ Shimano Deore ST w/ rear freehub Spokes:..................................... DT Swiss, stainless steel Rims:.................... Chinook CR16 silver anodized, 32 hole Tires:. Continental Double Fighter II, (2016) - (Orig’l.: Ritchey Z-Max) Brakes:............... Shimano Deore XT w/ Force 40 routing Brake Pads:........ Koolstop Eagle 2 Cantilever pads (black) Brake Levers:......................................................... Ritchey Cranks.................................................. Ritchey 26/36/46 Chain:.............. Shimano Hyperglide CN-HG40 6,7,8 speed Pedals:........ Shimano SPD’s (Orig’l: Shimano Deore XT Competition) Shifters:....... Shimano Deore XT over-the-bar thumbshifters Handlebars:......... Easton Hyperlite, anodized aluminum Freewheel:. Shimano Deore XT Hyperglide 7-speed cassette, 13-30 Stem:....................... Answer A-Tac TIB-welded aluminum Headset:................. Tange-Seiki FOV-AL, aluminum, 125g Seatpost:...................................... Ritchey Force Directional Saddle:.... WTB Pure V Race (rising whale-tail rear & drop nose)(2016)
  9. Maybe at the next outdoor Shotgun Shootout, we all could wear some more suitable face coverings, like this: AVB-AMG
  10. @Smokin .50 (Rosey): If anything, your response here shows that you are sounding like the real Schmuck! If you honestly believe that the way you and the many others were congregating on Sunday morning, was not potentially a high risk endeavor, then you are sounding and possibly acting like an ignorant, arrogant fool in total denial. Do you really believe that? It is not just those who have compromised immune systems or have family members who may be compromised who should observe and practice the necessary health safeguards during this awful virus pandemic. If you have not done so, you may want to consider reading up on the documented history of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic for a better perspective of what could happen with the COVID-19 virus. Over the past 4-5 months, after some contradictory advice, we have learned more and more of what Health precautions work and what scenarios are the most conducive to spreading this virus. It is incumbent for all of us to learn these important lessons and then practice them, if our country is going to finally be able to reduce the number of positives cases nationally. While some of you may be "done" with the COVID-19 virus, it certainly is not done you you or me.... BTW, I have met and shot with you in the past, at both indoor and outdoor events, aside from political views, you seemed to be a nice, intelligent guy, who I applaud for being very dedicated to proactively preserving our 2nd Amendment rights, as challenging as it is here in NJ. I hope that your negative personal post about me in this thread was just an knee-jerk reaction and not a true indicator of who you really are. If not, then I guess I will have really misjudged you, which is disappointing. Also, to be clear, neither you nor I are trained as a medical doctor or professional healthcare researcher so we have to rely on what those folks who are to publish their analysis and forecasts, based on their expertise, experience and results of research trials. From what I have read, while the COVID-19 virus may possibly mutate in some manner over time, for the near future it will not do so dramatically. Therefore, While there is no guarantee, those same doctors and healthcare researchers are confident that one or more viable vaccines will most likely be developed by one or more of the multiple Research Medical/Pharmaceutical joint venture teams and manufactured in sizable quantities over the next 8-12 months. So I disagree with your stated opinion that “it ain’t going to happen”. Also, the more I read about the so-called herd immunity, with regard to the COVID-19 virus, the less it sounds like that will happen in under 4 years or even longer from now, which is not good for all of us in the near term. AVB-AMG
  11. @Krdshrk Once again, you excelled at organizing another fun gathering. I am glad that everyone had a good time yesterday morning at the Clinton Shotgun Shootout. I have enjoyed attending and participating in the past at these types of fun group get-togethers, swapping shotguns, talking about various topics, (non-political….), and socializing. I was considering joining you all yesterday, but was concerned that with the expected large group, that social distancing would be a challenge, along with many being reluctant to wear any form of face coverings. As the photo above indicates, my concerns were valid…. I think we all may want to pay close attention to what is happening in the southern and western states, where the Governors had allowed for large group gatherings, yet people are failing to abide by the important recommended, if not required, health safety guidelines. We are now learning of the dire consequences resulting in the skyrocketing rate of positive tests for the COVID-19 virus in those states, primarily in the mid-30's age group. Basically, until a vaccine for COVID-19 has been developed, tested, produced, distributed, as well as has been administered to over 50% of the U.S. population, I am in the group of our citizens who are not comfortable congregating in close proximity with more than just a handful of people, outside of my extended family and close friends, whether indoors or outdoors. Shooting clays with 1, 2 or 3 people I know, is IMHO, far less risky than doing so in close quarters with 15-25, or more people who I do not know, even being outside. That, along with the natural chit chatting by people not wearing any face coverings, as well as the constant co-mingling handling of shotguns, is just taking more of a health risk than I want to do right now. I respect that everyone has a choice in how they deal with this ongoing virus, yet I also believe that our previous normal routines have unfortunately fundamentally changed now and for the foreseeable future, whether one likes i5 or not. In addition to having fun, I sincerely hope that everyone who attended yesterday remains healthy and did not contract this nasty COVID-19 virus. I am looking forward to joining all of you again at future shotgun shootouts and gun range events, most likely in the second half of 2021. AVB-AMG
  12. FYI - I posted the NY Times article on the study titled “First-Time Gun Owners at Greater Risk for Suicide”, because it is the latest study on the issue of guns and suicide that I have come across in a while. I wanted to share it here on NJGF in this thread since the folks who have posted comments here seem to acknowledge that suicide by gun is an issue that should concern all of us legal gun owners and is just one of many factors or points that we have to discuss with our anti-gun friends and relatives. Also, by posting this article of this study, does not automatically imply that I agree with their findings. While the odds of having an accident, fatal or not, from a firearm obviously increases if one own’s a firearm, I do not believe that therefore automatically means that gun owners are more likely to commit suicide, whether by using a gun or some other means, nor whether they one just one gun or many. Actually, I have some doubts about the validity of the researcher’s findings. I also agree that they may possibly have had a predetermined anti-gun agenda or slant that they wanted to highlight in their conclusions. I also agree that not taking into account the subjects’ medical histories or personal circumstances, omitted potentially vital information that may contribute to causality. While their stated premise captures one’s attention, I wonder why they did not also include and factor in many other scenarios of people using guns to commit suicide. Specifically, those who do not own a gun AND have not purchased a gun. Where the person may have used a gun owned by a friend or family member. Also, most of us on this forum are well aware of the multiple suicides committed by young men at indoor gun ranges in NJ, (i.e. Gun For Hire and RTSP, etc…), that have occurred in just the past 4-5 years. They have either rented a handgun or used a handgun of someone who owns one and shared it with them at the range. As a result of these awful suicides at gun ranges, the owner’s have instituted more stringent policies for first-time customers to address and hopefully reduce the chances of someone committing suicide inside their ranges. As I think we all agree, suicide is a tragic choice made by someone who, for various complicated reasons, either and the low end, wants to call attention to themselves and at the extreme end, does not want to live any longer. Guns are just one of the most efficient tools or methods to accomplish the latter. AVB-AMG
  13. @Mrs. Peel The study tracked 700,000 first-time handgun buyers over 12 years, was the largest analysis to date of individual, first-time gun owners and suicide over time. I do not want to cherry-pick just a few quotes so here is the entire article, which I cut & pasted below: AVB-AMG First-Time Gun Owners at Risk for Suicide, Major Study Confirms Men were eight times as likely to kill themselves by gunshot than non-owners. Women were 35 times as likely. By Benedict Carey June 3, 2020 The decision to buy a handgun for the first time is typically motivated by self-protection. But it also raises the purchasers’ risk of deliberately shooting themselves by ninefold on average, with the danger most acute in the weeks after purchase, scientists reported on Wednesday. The risk remains elevated for years, they said. The findings are from the largest analysis to date tracking individual, first-time gun owners and suicide for more than a decade. The study, posted by The New England Journal of Medicine, does not greatly alter the prevailing understanding of suicide risk linked to gun ownership. Previous research had suggested a similarly increased risk, due largely to the ease of having such a lethal option at hand. But experts said the new evidence was more powerfully persuasive than any research to date. The study tracked nearly 700,000 first-time handgun buyers, year by year, and compared them with similar non-owners, breaking out risk by gender. Men who bought a gun for the first time were eight times as likely to kill themselves by gunshot in the subsequent 12 years than non-owners; women were 35 times as likely to do so. (Male gun owners far outnumbered women owners in the study.) “I find the work extremely compelling,” said Amy Street, a research psychologist at the National Center for PTSD, VA Boston Healthcare System and Boston University School of Medicine. Dr. Street did not contribute to the study, which was led by David Studdert, a professor of medicine and law at Stanford. “We know women make more attempts than men, but they use less lethal means,” Dr. Street added. “It makes sense: When women start using lethal means, you’re going to see this dramatic jump in rates.” Historically, public health research on firearms has been limited by privacy issues and political opposition. Most previous studies were retrospective: post-mortem analyses of suicides that relied on incomplete information about gun owners and, for comparison, non-owners. Dr. Studdert’s study, which looked at deaths and gun ownership in California, overcame these obstacles. By California law, all legal gun sales must go through licensed dealers and be reported to the state’s Department of Justice. The department archives each transaction and includes more detail on the purchase than most any other state. The research team integrated this information with two other sources: a California log of deaths determined to be suicides, which all states track to some degree; and voter rolls, which include about 60 percent of adults in the state, or 26.3 million adults. By linking gun purchases to the voter registry and suicide data, the team was able to track individuals over time, from October 2004 to December 2016. The researchers checked gun purchases back to 1985 to make sure that individuals in the study were in fact first-time buyers. They also reclassified those who later sold their weapons as non-owners. This left 676,425 people who bought their first gun during the 12-year period and kept it. The weapons were predominantly handguns, which are the method of choice in about three-quarters of suicides by firearm. California did not begin collecting data on rifles and shotguns until 2014. The team tallied the suicides among new owners and non-owners, matched by age, gender and other similarities, and tested for a series of alternate possibilities, like whether owners were as likely to kill themselves by other means. They were not. Another possibility was so-called reverse causation: that many buyers were bent on suicide before they bought the gun. The findings did provide some evidence of that. In the month immediately after first-time owners obtained their weapons (California has a 10-day waiting period), the risk of shooting themselves on purpose was nearly 500 per 100,000, about 100 times higher than similar non-owners; after several years it tapered off to about twice the rate. “We sure do see evidence that people went to get the gun because they had planned to take their own lives,” Dr. Studdert said. The risk of suicide remained elevated over the entire 12-year duration of the study, and it was in this longer period after the first month that most of the suicides — 52 percent — occurred. “During this period, the gun acts much more like an ambient risk — it’s always there,” Dr. Studdert said. The majority of people who attempt suicide do not die; attempts outnumber completed acts by about eight to one. Those who do make an attempt are at greater risk of trying again later, compared with those who have not, studies have found. Still, less than 10 percent of those who make an attempt will subsequently go on to complete the act, said Dr. Matthew Miller, a professor of health sciences and epidemiology at Northeastern University and an author on the study. “Many suicide attempts are impulsive, and the crisis that leads to them is fleeting,” Dr. Miller said. “The method you use largely determines whether you live or die. And if you use a gun, you are far more likely to die than with other methods, like taking pills. With guns, you usually do not get a second chance.” Other authors on the study included scientists at the University of California, Davis; Erasmus University in Rotterdam, in the Netherlands; and the University of Melbourne, in Australia. It was financed by the Fund for a Safer Future and the Joyce Foundation, both of which have supported research on gun ownership, and by Stanford. As rigorous as the findings are, they are not likely to move most gun-rights proponents, who emphasize the idea that people need guns for protection. The study did not examine owners’ detailed information like medical histories or personal circumstances — such as living alone — that could have shown they were at greater risk for suicide. But most risk factors for suicide, like persistent mental distress and drug use, tend not to differ much between gun owners and non-owners, previous studies have found. Any unseen factor that could account for the findings would have to raise suicide risk by 10 times in owners, compared with non-owners, and there were no such candidates, the authors of the new study said. “They really questioned their own results and tested many alternate hypotheses to account for their results,” Dr. Street said. “To me, this makes the findings more compelling still.”
  14. FYI - In today’s New York Times is an interesting article titled: First-Time Gun Owners at Greater Risk for Suicide, Major Study Confirms Here is the link to that article: AVB-AMG https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/suicide-guns-firearms.html?referringSource=articleShare
  15. FYI - RTSP in Union was selling various blends of Black Rifle Coffee from BRCC at their in-house coffee bar. Unfortunately, they have temporarily shut down their coffee bar during the COVID-19 closures, but will most likely reopen once NJ allows indoor gun ranges to reopen. AVB-AMG
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