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  1. Posted

    Just read through the entire amended bill from 11/14. There is only one worthy thing to note amongst the dumpster fire that is 4769..

    They changed the definition of "holster". No more retention strap lingo. Great news chaps, you can wear your kydex to the mailbox... still.

       h.  For purposes of this section, “holster” means a device or sheath that securely retains a handgun which, at a minimum, conceals and protects the main body of the firearm, maintains the firearm in a consistent and accessible position, and renders the trigger covered and inaccessible while the handgun is fully seated in the holster. 

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  2. Posted

    58 minutes ago, g17owner said:

    As promised, and ON topic, updating my timeline.

    Final timeline - Mendham Boro, Morris County
     
    8/15 - Package submitted to PD
    8/16 - Fingerprinted @ Identogo location
    8/17 - Fingerprints processed
    9/8 - Application hand delivered to Morris County Superior Court by detective from PD
    9/15 - Called court to ensure they received my application. They confirmed they have it.
    10/28 - Money order cashed
    11/3 - Permit signed by judge
    11/4 - Permit mailed to Mendham Boro PD
    11/7 - Picked up from PD as soon as it arrived
     
    84 days total. Exactly 60 days at the court.
     
    The only restrictions in the court order are:
    1. Carry the guns qualified with
    2. Carry the court order

    Bah humbug! I mean... congratulations!

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  3. Posted

    1 hour ago, dajonga said:

    Ocean County update.... Word on the street is they are working on applicant #'s in the low 200's. As applicant 537, I expect to see my permit around Easter.

    Last I've seen confirmed as of last week was #186

    The number approved applications have been extremely inconsistent week to week. I wouldnt be surprised though if this week they get up to near ~250, as 2 weeks ago it seemed like the got out 40 in one clip.

    However, it's all a guess with this shit-show of a process.

    Best of luck, fingers crossed, knock on wood and all that good stuff

  5. Posted

    20 hours ago, Mr.Stu said:

    Your username is kinda ironic, because this is why I hate NJ. Is there any particular reason the rules don't apply to you? Do you have special driving skills? Is there something about your vehicle that would make it clear to someone waiting to pull out into traffic or change lanes that you're going to arrive much sooner than expected? My guess is probably not.

    Having people in a position where the rules don't apply to them is bad enough, but to then crow about it as if it is funny instead of disgustingly corrupt is demonstrative of why this is such a shitty State.

    Don't feed the troll.

    You gave him exactly what he wanted, attention.

    Typical mindset of a wannabe LEO. Guarantee you he's a dispatcher that walks around with an owb phone, military boots, and the cop cut to match. Might have even flunked the academy.

    Anyhow, really hoping we see an uptick in approved applications this week.. as we approach the holidays I can only imagine the vacations amongst court personnel is going to greatly delay what is already a snail-paced process.

    And to think - I scoffed at the records clerk back in July when he said "you MIGHT get it by December, maybe even later". 

     

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  6. Posted

    40 minutes ago, marlintag said:

    Congrats on your permit! The truth is worse than you think and most counties have issued less than 500 permits so far. To be blunt, many counties have issued less than 200 permits. Passiac County is not the norm, I suspect 5000-ish permits have been issued in the entire state since the Bruen decision. To be fair, I do have to mention that many counties are increasing their issuance rate but, it remains low overall. 

    I bet 5000 is even pushing it. Also, @Batt52 permit number doesn't necessarily mean that is the 493rd "post bruen" permit. I would wager that is the 493rd permit to carry on record for Passaic County's existence, unless the court number given to his application was 'GP-PC-493-22'. The issued permits numbers across the state have been inconsistent with the "GP" application numbers.

    One thing I really liked that was brought up at the last hearing, by one of the DC Project reps during their testimony, was that if the state has claimed there are 300,000 applications, how does the state justify less than 15,000 permits being issued. Excellent example of the PDs and courts abusing the process that should be completed within 90 days.

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  7. Posted

    4 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

    “The decision by the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this year stripped away the right for states to regulate who is able to carry concealed weapons in public,”

     

    that statement is patently false. the states never really had that right constitutionally. or shouldn't have anyway.

     It should read "stripped away the state's ability to restrict a citizen's constitutional right to carry a firearm"

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  9. Posted

    3 hours ago, FXDX said:

    Got to love the red shirt Mom's backdrop, what a bunch of lost souls..  

    .... and if you could stomach it more from Danielsen

    https://www.facebook.com/franklinreporter/videos/496216619057662/

    One of the best parts of Danielson's BS from that interview

    Flat out says this bill has nothing to do with stopping criminals, it has everything to do with law abiding gun owners.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/avsternator/status/1585776402796023808?fbclid=IwAR3GPXEJ_0C0kZ7_C2SszTfXgqU4E349w3YgjUe8JlYOck0EAhepDN6oYVM

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  10. Posted

    21 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

    Per NJ Court rep - they received 1,500 PTC applications in August.

    They estimate they'll receive a total of 11,000 by 2022 year end.

    So where is the 300k PTC applications number coming from!?

    My guess is that there have been approx 100-150k applicants so far, just from the various streams of information I've seen, such as the gentleman who owns Gun For Hire stating a couple weeks ago that his facility has had over 20,000 people take their PTC qualification course post Bruen.

    That's just 1 establishment with over 20,000 qualifications in 3.5 months

  11. Posted

    4 hours ago, RichP said:

    The PBA rep should not have a seat at the table.

    Not only did he get to speak in the middle of people who were testifying against this bill, the Republican assemblymen asked him no questions, Assemblyman Danielson told the PBA rep he was "co-author of the bill", and the icing on the cake for me was when the chairwoman running the show told the PBA rep 'we like you & you are very special to us".

  12. Posted

    That hearing yesterday was nothing short of despicable.

    They treated the PBA representative like he was their choir boy. Everything he said they handled with white gloves, and every argument he made was why this bill shouldn't exist for anyone, let alone cops vs citizens. He stated how this bill essentially prohibits carry everywhere, and that's just not fair (to Leo and rpo).

    He brought up the holster language, and insinuated that the bill was essentially telling woman who wanted to carry would have to alter their wardrobe to follow the bill as written, and he 'wouldn't dare tell women what they could or could not wear' and they chairwoman interjected with a "thank you" for speaking up for them. 

    The chairwoman made a reply to him of how much they like him and how "special" the PBA rep was to them.

    Then when the Republican side has a chance to question the sponsor (which while they did a decent job, they really could have dug a but deeper with their arguments with the sponsor), they acted offended and were extremely condescending.

    When assemblyman Bergen made the same exact argument about woman carrying, they all blasted him as trying to make woman seem helpless and the chairwoman and sponsor Danielson appeared deeply offended he would try to say the bill was unfair to woman.

    The sponsors response to the bill prohibiting carry in places of worship, when asked if the place of worship could allow members of the facility to carry amd would they exempt them from the place of worship prohibition, he scrambled and with high levels of uncertainty claimed that it would fall under permission from private property, and he "wouldn't want anyone at church to be mad at him", implying he'd make sure there was a loop hole for places of worship.

    One of the worst, is assemblyman Danielson refusing to give even 1 example of where you can utilize your carry permit when not on your own property.

    His answer of "everywhere.... everywhere that is not listed as prohibited in the bill" is unbelievable, considering "everywhere" is essentially prohibited on the bill. Everywhere, should mean everywhere.

    It's sad and disheartening to see this is how our political system works. 

    End rant.

  13. Posted

    This bill passed through the NJ Legislature hearing today with a majority vote of YES.

    PBA supports the bill, as long as they are excluded from it.

    The sponsor of the bill, assemblyman Danielson, acklnowedge he believes you should be arrested and charged with a 3rd degree crime for accidentally walking onto private property while carrying, and then said he doesn't even know what the punishment for a 3rd degree crime was (3 to 5 years in prison and a $15,000 fine).

    When asked about the part of the bill not allowing carry in a vehicle, which would force a permit holder to brandish their firearm in public view, which is a crime, assemblyman Danielson said he was not aware that brandishing a firearm was a crime.

    The assemblywoman running the show then said something along the lines that it's on the public to know whether or not someone is brandishing a firearm to commit a crime or if they were just attempting to properly store their firearm in the trunk.

    I feel like I just watched an episode of The Twilight Zone

    2 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

    Here's the committee recording edited down to just the A4769 portion and put on Vimeo:

    https://vimeo.com/762399865

    Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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  15. Posted

    1 hour ago, chrisfc923 said:

    I wonder if the judges will delay signing off on any more permits until this a4769 bill gets signed off on by the clown we have as a governor ? 

    This has been my assumption for all of the delays and the PDs "waiting for further guidance".

    I'll remember that next time I get a moving violation. I'm going to notify the PD and Court that I am awaiting further guidance until I move forward with paying any fines.

    If they can wait for the laws to change prior to taking action, instead of adhering to the current statutes, so can I, no?

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  17. Posted

    Hate to admit how deflating this whole experience has been.

    Finally removed justifiable need, only for the state to trip over themselves in a mad dash to pass legislation to treat the most law abiding citizens this state has as criminals.

    If they pass this new legislation, there will undoubtedly be more criminals in short time due to the hoops of fire we have to jump through when carrying a firearm WITH A PERMIT TO CARRY.

    I simply cannot understand where their logic is in rushing to pass laws to literally strip our rights to protect ourselves, especially after the highest court in the land deemed exactly what they are doing as unconstitutional.

    The proposed legislation vs. justifiable need is 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other, with the former more suited to ruin your life.

    I try to refrain from being so dramatic, but with this in play, I truly hate this state and the politicians running it.

    Apologies for the rant, just sharing my experience thus far.

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  18. Posted

    I've been reading that some people claim to have been denied by PA counties for having an attached court order of any capacity with their NJ PTC. One guy on FB claims his restrictions are only for specific guns, but the PA County he went to denied him for this reason.

    Can anyone here confirm if their NJ PTC is checked See Below, or See Court Order, and have successfully received their PA non resident carry permit?

    I'm assuming anyone who has been approved, their actual PTC is checked No Restrictions and PA is not privy to any attached court order, no matter the type of restriction.

    TIA

  20. Posted

    1 minute ago, pjd832 said:

    …. Sooo what is recommended then… a cloth diaper bag? In that scenario If a vehicle is bein searched…. Everything is opened and or handled.. not just overt gun cases….

    He recommended transporting your firearms in a briefcase, or bookbag, or musical instrument case.. anything other than what appeared to be a gun case.

    In thinking about this discussion, and I apologize for veering off track of the permit application experience that this thread is supposed to be, but I can't help buy feel like I'm being over dramatic in thinking that cops are going to look for every way to screw you over and find you in violation of some firearm law or court ordered restriction to arrest you and take away your 2a right... but that has been the status quo in this state and many people have had their lives ruined over "illegal possession of a firearm" in NJ, even they whole heartedly believed and thought they were doing everything to follow the law.

    To further clarify my question @pjd832, I'm asking that if the cop is somehow privy to your PTC, is that considered reasonable suspicion to search your vehicle if they believe you also have one of these court orders with some kind of restriction they believe you are violating. Whether its an "unqualified gun" or you happen to have an ocean county permit with the "no carry in or on any motor vehicle". Just as if they pull you over and see a box of ammo on the floor near the backseat that you forgot was there, or a spent casing you somehow dropped on the backseat, or  many other things that have always given them reasonable suspicion to believe a firearm is in the car and search your vehicle.

    I'm really trying to not be a nervous Nancy here, and again I'd love to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt that they won't bust chops on a legal PTC holder... the actions of NJ law enforcement makes me paranoid I suppose.

  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, Bomber said:

    And you have the right not to answer. :coffee:

    And when they do they clam up tight and call their attorney.

    If fact, I believe some departments have it in their contract stipulating they cannot be formally questioned for 24 hours after an office involved shooting.  

    I agree. 

    I am curious if the officer while be informed you are a permit to carry holder by running your information, and if they do have that information is that reasonable suspicion to believe there is a firearm in the vehicle. Which then gives them the right to search you and your vehicle? Sincere question.

    If the answer is yes, then they can further scrutinize the court order etc.

    Of course this can be fought, and you may win. Most of us want to avoid the circus of being arrested, property being confiscated, and absurd legal cost for the battle in court.

    I may be incorrect, but I'm pretty sure Mr Nappen informed the crowd at the last US Law Shield meeting that the officer has a right to search you if they have reasonable suspicion to believe there is a firearm in the vehicle, which is why he told us to never transport your firearms in a gun case.

    Again, in reply to my original comment and @Bomber's response, in retrospect the correct way to handle any traffic stop is "I do not answer questions".

  22. Posted

    4 minutes ago, IhateNJ said:

    NJ has no duty to inform. Conceal correctly and whats the issue? I sure as hell wont be offering any info that is not needed. I do have something most don't that will pretty much ensure there is no reason for further inspection should in the very rare chance im ever pulled over. On the few times Im ever stopped I always include my police ID (not a cop, just work at a PD) and every time more or less that normally ends the traffic stop. Fair? Nope but lol neither is life. I haven''t seen a ticket in years after working here. 

    Besides new judge going forward and pretty sure he wont be doing the same as the gopher plant was doing. 

    That makes you an outlier. An exception to the rule.

    However, while you have no duty to inform, the cop can ask "do you have any weapons/firearms in the vehicle?".

    Happy to hear you have a get out of jail free card due to employment.. but even cops get arrested by other cops for ridiculous reasons, and your position and experience does not help 99% of the average Joes out here under far more scrutiny.

    Good luck in your travels my friend.

     

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  23. Posted

    13 hours ago, Mike77 said:

    No Restrictions/Restrictions/ see court order....

     

    There are 3 boxes. If no restrictions is checked, you dont have a court order

    While I agree with the simple logic here,  I feel this is a dangerous game to play with your rights. 

    For example, if you reside in Ocean county, and you're pulled over in Ocean county, and the officer is keen to the fact that every single ptc had been issued with an attached court order to some degree, and you play dumb... you can find yourself in some serious hot water.

    We are talking about court orders issued by a superior court Judge, that may seem unconstitutional  but they are lawful orders under current nj statute.

    While I don't agree with any of the orders or restrictions, we know what law enforcement and the courts are capable of in this state, and they are not on your side. 

    The term "law abiding gun owner" goes out the window when you pretend your court order doesn't exist. 

    Careful out there. 

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  24. Posted

    As per a Facebook post, looks like the court clerk from Gloucester has divulged some information stating that they have 175 applications slated for court hearings on Oct. 20th.

    I almost want to take the day off, get some popcorn, and go watch how they plan to handle this.

    Some speculate this is an attempt from the Judge to get the prosecutor to drop the court hearing required part of the process.

    Cannot wait to see how this goes.

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    7 hours ago, DAHL said:

    To date I cannot find that any carry permits have been issued in Somerset County NJ.   From an anonymous source; his opinion is that the county will begin issuing carry permits but with a strict court order limiting where you can and cannot carry. With a few thousand permits in backlog (est) its anyone guess when we will see them signed off and issued.  If anyone living in Somerset County knows differently please post more current information.

    Zero permits have been issued out of Somerset.

    I've heard (read) that they are still awaiting "clarification from the AG" until the court starts issuing permits.

    I would highly suggest contacting Strikeforce and Jay Factor if you live in somerset. 

    If you have a Facebook profile, get on the NJ Firearms Syndicate page and reach out to Jay Factor. He has been personally typing up letters for anyone who's PD and Court have been not adhering to the timelines and/or issuing restrictions. 

    I personally believe the pressure from him and strikforce have made serious impact in a positive manner on the issuance of PTCs in several counties.

    He will provide you personalized letters to be sent to the pd, prosecutor and the judge.

    You can either sit and wait, or take action. 

    Best of luck

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