jackandjill

With all that panic buying, there is going too much supply of firearms. Combine that with shortage / expense of ammo, there is going to be good chunk of unfired firearms on the market. And there is no shortage of laws that someone could use to stick to a normal guy / gal to make name for themselves or even just to make a statement. The situation is ripe for entrapment and making example of a regular Joe. I put something up for sale near the cost and got an offer from out of state. I got clarification on the law from these forums and refused the offer. The guy even mentioned that he sold something similar for 3 times over recently. Could it be a case of someone fishing ? Possible.

A true leader with respect for freedoms and human dignity would never treat good portion of their population as criminals. But thats exactly what some of the elected politicians continue to do throughout their political careers. Enough said. At the end of the day, may all souls R.I.P.

Champion is the "Tom" from "Office Space". The more "Tom"s we have in the system, the better it is for the state. The typical reason contracting companies are hired for outrageous costs are to take the blame and when shit hits the fan. Otherwise, everyone would be blaming poor NJ State for taking 15+ days for an "Instant" check. Hire a contracting company elsewhere, create a new fax system, blame on the "sytem", blame on "the demand", blame it on the people of NJ who buys firearms .. blame it on everyone else except where the problem is. You get the idea.

OP started the thread with few assumptions a) that ALL (implied) FFLs charge outrageous price b) somehow they have clout at NJSP and they are not using c) The "idea" is to stir market prices based above assumptions with hope of fixing the system Its very clear a) not true b) not true c) in our dreams Case closed. What if, the whole idea of all laws, delays in NJ is really to drive FFLs out of business and then bring in additional laws restricting out of state purchases ? Then we end up with handful of "state approved" FFLs for the name sake and no practical way of exercising 2A. So lets stop with all these assumptions and take up directly with the reps instead of bit*ching about FFLs.

Read the pinned topic / redlink and thank you again for the helpful advice. Glad I asked.

Others have already said it. FFLs do not hold so much power over this Republic of NJ. We all wish they did and we all wish the Govt here would listen to law abiding citizens and small businesses like FFLs. But they dont, thats precisely why we are in this sh*t hole situation to begin with. If transfer fees are your only problem, you can easily find multiple NJ FFLs who charge more like $35 including NJ NICS fees.

Tried searching through forums and most of the discussion was about shipping. And the famous quick chart talks about transfer through NJ dealer with FPID or out-of-state dealer. But what about selling a long gun (rifle) to out-of-state resident who is physically in in NJ for few days ? Does the rifle still need to be shipped to the other state FFL ? Also when you travel, can you guy rifles out of state (like Texas) in person and bring them back to NJ ?

The People are to blame. People continue to either ignore or support this clown and ofcourse it went to his head. He feels like f'ng God himself.

I am not saying we should not be complaining or suggesting to write "only" positive things about NJ laws. Looking back its ridiculous, but I honestly believed that getting FPID (much less handgun PP) was the unicorn, until someone took me to range. Then there is whole social stigma around firearms that has so many different but deep roots. How many times did we not hear even families of folks who served in army being reserved about firearms in the house ? A casual discussion came up with a family friend who was in army many years ago. When I mentioned ARs, first question from him was "if there was any war going on". Forum FFLs from here are very helpful and pleasant to deal with. But (may be just me) some other FFLs from outside gave impression that they are doing me a favor. So as new comer, I think its important to choose a friendly FFL. To OP, I am with you. FU to all naysayers. Lets stay safe, stay out of trouble, enjoy the right and make every effort to get back what is lost.

Here is what delayed my foray and what helped. I started to be interested in 2A the moment I started to read about 1A and other Constitution related matter. First and foremost, all the news out on the internet about getting started in NJ is nothing but discouraging. It may be the reality, but when I earched for "nj pistol permit", I didnt find any encouraging news at all. Only NJSP links, an attorney describing why its difficult and may need lawyer help, how lengthy the process is. I am not going to demand, but does it make sense for organizations like NJ2AS and others in NJ to start blogging "good, positive things about the process", "how to approach it" etc. Just like news articles, dumb down versions of encouragement . Yes, there are forums you can read, but as newcomer, my head just spun. Finally, what helped me is a local guy who showed me his firearms, took me to a range. Knowing someone else went through the process in my town was HUGE encouragement and undid what all those internet nay-sayers did.

@222, Good points. But between Federal Licensing, State Licensing , POC definitions, NICS and State rights, its interesting debate as to what constitutes the System.

@222, what IF, NJ folks never even "created a POC NICS Transaction" to begin with ? So if you look at NJ transaction end-to-end as 1. FFL To Fax 2. Fax To Pile 3. Pile to NJSP 4. NJSP to Local Checks 5. Local Checks to Fed NICS 6. Fed NICS responds 7. NJSP To FFL I believe the FBI stuff you quoted applies only to #5 & #6. And I bet LARGE portion of current backlog is in 1 through 5. On purpose or for genuine reasons.

Search amazon for "Competition Short Break". You may want to get one of those depending on what you are looking for and price range.

FFLs are people just like rest of us - restricted in rights, operate within confines of laws (including the stupid, senseless laws) and frustrated with the delays and loss of business. Some dont even do things that other FFLs agree to be within law, for the fear of BATF agents breathing down their neck. So forget FFLs going outside the law, they wont and they shouldnt. Until rest of us take action, nothing will change. Going back to OP, I will gladly donate atleast $100 or more to support action in this area. Its not about any monetary loss with the existing delays. The real danger is the precedence this is setting up. I suspect someone is testing the system to see if the general population will gather up enough courage and lawful course to fight the delays.

Do what Anselmo suggested. Its easier than you think. There is a cheap (if you prefer) muzzle brake on sale on Amazon. Get a quote from one of the FFLs on these forums and You could have both shipped to the FFL/smith directly. That actually saves you time and headache.

I am relatively new comer, but "have her buy take transfer for your use later" sounds like straw purchase, strictly speaking ofcourse.

Thanks. All firearms in question are long guns (no handguns), there is nothing noted or specific on the NJ NICS form about the firearm itself (other than long gun, hand gun or other). And the "Proceed" status is good for 30 days. Given all that, why additional longguns cannot be included in the equation AFTER NICS OK but BEFORE the actual signature / pick up date ?

Hopefully an experienced forum FFL chimes in.

May be two more, in addition to the one that started the NICS waiting period of over 15 days. I am asking more around legalities of it as the Instant Check was never expected to take as long.

I tried searching on this topic, found few discussions but were little confusing, so here it goes If I buy more long guns while waiting for the NJ NICS, can they be added to the "list" and take transfer of all in on transfer transaction, once the check comes back ? Ofcourse, we are talking about everything at the same FFL. What if some of those ship to FFL after check comes back but before the actual pickup is complete ?

Forged lowers are out there in the range of $150 to $200. I dont get the economies (much less legal issues) of taking the 80%, travel out of state, spend time in machining it , still not get it to milspec.

I am not surprised that someone asked this question. While FFLs I met are generally very friendly, there are FFLs out there who over think what the BATF agent told them. Its their license, so they can do what they want. One FFL told me that he had to ask lot of questions every time more than one person shows up. Go to a FFL you did business before or someone who supports these forums and knows what everyone is taking about.

Sent PM to couple of folks here. Hope to get response.

I know this has been clarified many times and there is NJ gun law summary. Someone mentioned that they have been to local gun shops and was told that rifle minimum barrel length is 18 and not 16. I know gun shops are not authority on gun laws (like that HP ammo discussion). I checked NJSP links and the latest PDF I can see says Chapter 54 expires on Nov 2012. Anyone has latest link to the code that defines the minimums ? Appreciate it.

Thanks everyone. I will reach out to these guys with specifics.