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I don't think I said that electric motors never fail. I bet I can guess what country built the motors in those products though.

You literally just typed "Tesla computer malfunction" into Google and think that somehow gave you a quantitaive argument against them. Could you be any more lazy and obvious in your bias. Again, it's like someone typing "guns kill kids" into Google and then using those results as if they justify stripping our rights. And as far as this link https://forums.tesla.com/forum/267 , please anyone reading, click it and tell me if your mind is blown by the "list" of issues. LMAO

Nothing lasts eternity, but for some reason you act like anything not EV related does. "The computer is the most likely thing to fail? Please show your work on that. And even if it were, now ask that same question about a normal car? I bet the computer is not the most likely thing to fail on that vehicle. Wonder why that is? Also, a typical SSD like that used in a Tesla has a MTBF of 1.5 million hours. That is an average failure once every 171 years. I'll take those odds. I do enjoy the car, because it is a stellar performer in so many ways. Thanks for being so humble and allowing me to continue to do so. If it weren't ready for prime time I wouldn't have it.

Lots of them. Never had an electric motor fail under normal use. Belts, chucks, control units, impellers, bearings? Yep. The motor. Nope.

More opinions as if they are facts. Superchargers have been out for over 5 years, some in some of the harshest climates in the world. They are designed for massive current loads, that is the entire point. As far as diagnosing issues, the car will know it long before any mechanic would, and is proactive (at least Teslas are) in warning you before something becomes serious. Also, current superchargers if they do have an issue, the car can communicate that to Tesla so that they are aware of it, and you can also press the voice command button on the steering wheel, and say "bug report" and then report the issue. They will know about it right away. New installations that started on Wednesday are self monitoring and report directly without any need for a car to come upon them first. Every car built today is loaded with electronics, and troubleshooting a Tesla is no different. Many cars do the same thing today, where they report anomalies to the manufacturer well before you even know there is a problem. And the electric motors are expected to last for a million miles on average. They only have 3 moving parts. How many electric powered devices have you had to throw out because the motor failed. I bet not many compared to how many you've owned. Look, I understand it's not for everyone, but again, at least be honest about it.

Th car updates you on charger status in real time and also routes accordingly. I have never experienced a full or broken Tesla charger. Chargers being full or broken just isn't a real concern. You have zero experience with this yet act like your opinion is fact. It's like trying to discuss gun law with Mom's demand Everything. No doubt you'll find an article about a charger that was full or broken once, and try to act like that is the norm as opposed to the almost non existent reality. Like all the law abiding gun owners that commit mass murder. Oh wait.

Just for fun last week I put a trip from Vineland NJ to Boston MA into the trip planner. We would have to stop in Milford Conneticut for 22 minutes to charge. And that is with the current Superchargers, the next gen which started rolling out 2 days ago will cut that down to possibly 11 minutes. Yet might be sooner than you think.

No worries, I wasn't clear in my first post.

When I meant warning I meant for the passengers who might not have their heads against the headrest. A P100D's 60 foot is normally 1.56 seconds, right in line with many 9.90 bracket cars. Imagine that launch without a helmet and you are not expecting it, allowing your head to hit the back of the seat. Not fun. But yes, if you are ready for it, possibly better than sex.

Some people can feel their organs getting compressed and it's uncomfortable. Also, in an electric car, especially the Tesla P100D, there is no warning, and that instant hit at launch is VERY hard, since max torque is available at zero RPM. But yes, it is a rush!

Not really dealerships, and covered in this thread on Friday. They are eliminating their sales team, and going to just an online ordering system. Time will tell how that works out for them, but I don’t know anyone yet who ordered a Tesla at a Tesla store, they’ve all done it online. Most of the buildings will will stay open for service.

That's funny. You can't argue the point so it's just one character attack after another. Seems your point about me spending time with Greenday (someone I've never met, nor care to meet) is just you projecting. I don't care what you drive. Just be honest about why you are doing it and don't lie about a new technology.

The dead guys were told, and ignored it. Can't fix stupid. And I'll lecture as long as you keep showing ignorance. this conversation is no different than how I treat people who want to ban guns when they don't know a magazine from a thing on the front that goes up. Ooh ouch. Guess I hit a nerve.

No, you're going beyond that, you're stating why they won't work, when in fact they have been doing what was promised and more. It isn't hard to understand, you are correct, but that doesn't stop you from misrepresenting it or acting like the system has failed when it has been doing exactly what it is designed to do. The interesting dichotomy of the Tesla brand at least, is that they are extremely fun cars to drive, AND they lead the current crop of driver assist technologies available to the public.

How hard is this to understand? It is not FSD yet, and the current models never promised Level 5 autonomy. If they did, they wouldn't have a steering wheel. And no car yet has been driven without line of sight being used for decisions of steering and braking. Sniper on new technologies and fast cars...

Correct, it is the driver's responsibility to hit the brakes. It's not autonomous, it's a driver aid. And this accident is in the current system's blindspot because it is looking for obstacles on the road, not obstacles above it. Something that can be corrected, but everytime you use AP you are reminded to Look man, don't buy one if you like to putt around town like an old maid. I don't care, but just be accurate about what you pretend to know about.

Whatever you poison, it's a great time to be alive. Can you imagine if just 20 years ago someone said soon we would be able to buy a quartet of four door sedans that can run low 11 second quarter mile times?

Simple, if it cant see the light it knows the stop is there, so it stops, and either waits until it's safe, or relinquishes control back to the driver. What do you think Autopilot (as Tesla calls it) is supposed to do? What are the driver's responsibilities when using it?

My personal experience is that it was $5 a month. Just to clarify, if you already bought full self driving, then you get those features as they release them, no extra charges. as of now there are no FSD features released.

I know when discussing engineering a safe vehicle it's the "body shop" guy I go to for expertise. The entire line is among the safest cars out there, and the model 3 has the highest ratings of any car out there. When you can design the crumple zone without concern for a large uncompressible object (the engine) in the middle of it, it makes designing a safer car easier. Not to mention the ultra low center of gravity due to the battery being below the floorpan that helps with rollover resistance. An odd priority you have, placing insurance costs above life, especially when insurance rates for Teslas are also on par with competitive cars.

Only if it doesn’t fall in front of the firing line. Good luck with that.

I swear some of you are like the MSM talking about Trump. The tech is new, so they start with great performance that no one that purchased was disappointed with, and now after gathering data for a year they know they can uncork the motors without worry about warranty issues, (something no one outside of Tesla knew was happening).

Actually they have, but they are hell bent on growth, so just about everything they make goes right back into building more factories and R&D.

Don't pull a Greenday.

You said they only make one battery, that is not true. There were some models that were software locked, but there has always been multiple battery packs that were physically different. I'm quite aware of the unlock during the hurricane, but that was only for the 60kwh packs in the first gen, and 75kWh packs in the second gen.