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  1. What is one supposed to do with a tube fed mag on a .22? Nearly every one I've seen holds more than 10 rounds? My 1965 Marlin model 60 holds 18, my Remington 121 holds 20. Other than my Ruger 10/22 with an M1 Carbine style stock can hold only 10 with a stock plastic mag. I still have the oem mags, they work the best compared to all the high cap mags but I can't take the M1 Carbine look alike to NJ anyhow. When it comes to my 30-06, I usually just shoot 125 to 150 grain fmj rounds for target shooting. but I rarely bring that one out due to the cost of ammo these days. What bothered me is that I remember reading where the NJ state police pulled some old man over with a small rifle in his car and charged him with transporting a firearm across state lines. Apparently the gun was his and he was returning from a trip to a PA gunsmith after a few repairs. it was unloaded and he had no ammo, the gun was in the back of his wagon or SUV in a gun case. I don't have anymore specifics but I was reading this while sitting in a doctor's office a few months ago in a magazine that was in the doctors office. I should have torn out the page or snapped a pic of the article but didn't think of it. It made me think about all the times we all crossed into NJ to shoot at the farm there. Most of the older guns have no serial numbers, there's no proof of ownership for a 50 year old rifle or shotgun, and I've never had a means to 'lock' a gun into a case in the car. My Bronco has a gun box in the back, its nothing but a false floor I built with room for about 7 rifles without cases or four or so in a case. With the back seat up, it looks like the floor of the truck until you drop the gate and see the raised floor and rear drop hatch on the box. I did it more to be able to get at my rifle or shotgun without unloading the whole truck while out hunting, and I can stop for eats without passerby's seeing I've got anything valuable in the back. There's a hidden latch on that compartment but no 'lock'. Over here, its rare that I don't have at least one shotgun and one rifle in the back. More than once I've found the need to put down a road hit deer that was suffering.
  2. The place where we always shot was a bulldozer cut out in a hill, zero chance for an over shot or rebound and its at least 1500 ft from the nearest property and double that to any houses or buildings. No one has ever come running when we were shooting. The neighbors there do the same on their land, one guy has targets set up right behind his barn, he's got at least 40 steel plates and a few rows of 'can' racks were he can line up cans and bottles to shoot at. The do this because there's no local shooting range. Here in PA, I shoot in the back yard behind the house or back behind the barn. All shots are towards a huge wooded hill all on our fenced in and posted property. I doubt the neighbors care much or if they can even hear us shooting. I were out there till 10pm last night with my 30-06 shooting through two cases of old surplus ammo using two trucks to provide light down range. The only neighbor that knew were there out there was sitting behind us guarding the beer cooler. I've got four 10/22's, all have been converted to the wooden M1 Carbine style stocks, no markings on the gun have changed, just the stock and the addition of an over the top part of the stock and a new front band. I can't see why NJ would ban a weapon on its looks??? All three of my 10/22's were bought cheap with the bottom of the line composite stocks that didn't age well. I think it cost me about $90 per rifle to change over to the aftermarket M1 Carbine style stock. It in no way changed the gun in any way other than appearance. I still run the OEM 10 round magazines, I've got a few dozen of them. The higher cap mags were never reliable for me and they got tossed. A few of my most used 10 round mags crapped out too. After reading some of the horror stories here I think NJ is just a place to stay clear of, even for vacation, if I can't bring my guns to target shoot there or hunt without a ton of hassle, I'll go elsewhere. It looks to me like NJ is just trying to outlaw all the fun out of life, what's next, will they outlaw big tits and short skirts?
  3. I'd likely never buy ammo in NJ, its way cheaper here in PA, with a lot less hassle. The intention is to keep my dad's old house so I have a closer house to the shore areas, and I suppose for sentimental reasons as well. My residence in PA will also stay, at least until I find something farther south. As I get older I like the cold months less and less but I also don' want to be stuck down south in the sweltering summer months. I did that for 9 years in south FL about 20 years ago and never again. I have to say that I'm shocked that they would ban an M1 Carbine over there, its not a very imposing weapon at all. I use mine here to shoot groundhogs in the garden from my third floor window. What about it put it on the list? Is my Ruger 10-22 ok in NJ? Its a model 21102, it looks just like an M1 Carbine, its got a 10 round magazine. Also, some of my .22 rifles hold as many as 17 rounds in the tube if I load shorts, would that gun be pkay in NJ?
  4. Just an update, I've been busy dealing with all the paperwork and issues associated with two funerals but did get a chance to talk to someone at NJ fish and game, two persons at the NJ State Police, and several gun shops there. NJ will sell me an out of state hunting license but from what I can see I can't bring a gun??? I was also told that if I become a NJ resident, they can 'enforce' NJ gun laws if I make a purchase out of state. Meaning that if I buy ammo or a gun in PA that doesn't meet NJ regs, I"m in violation of NJ law, even if I never bring it here or leave at my house in PA??? I talked to a few dealers here and in NJ near where my dad's house is and it looks like shipping a rifle from NJ to PA would cost me $35 on each end plus shipping, so I could be looking at $100 per gun, that's not acceptable. I'd be looking at more than a thousand bucks to ship them all. I don't like just leaving them in NJ, the house will be empty most of the year. But I'm told I can't legally give them to a buddy there to store when I'm not there??? He's got a huge gun safe but doesn't have a hunting license or FID card in NJ, he had his own guns but they're all old and like mine were inherited. He only uses them on his own property. Does the same law apply if I were a NJ resident full time and wanted to shoot in PA or another state? Hunters can't possibly have to deal with shipping their rifles or shotguns to another state through an FFL just to go target shooting for the day? How about skeet competitions?
  5. So I can't bring my gun to NJ to shoot at a private range, (AKA buddies back yard shooting range), and I can't use his guns? What sort of idiot made that rule? I don't hunt, I don't intend to anytime soon. After reading through all the hoops you have to jump through in NJ to get a license, Its not worth the hassle. I do know that my buddy hunts his own ground, he has the right to protect his crops from deer and other critters. The funny part is that on any given weekend, there's a 15 or so guys out there shooting, I'd venture to bet not a one owns their own gun, they just use what he's got in the shack down back. No one shoots there without him knowing who's out there, and rarely does anyone shoot there without him present. He's pretty strict with the rules there. I've been shooting there for 40 years. A number of years ago, I got pulled over, in NJ, with a shotgun in a pickup truck, the gun was a side by side 12ga. The gun was cracked open and unloaded, the ammo in a box in the glove box. The gun was and old Husqvarna from the early 20's.. The guy said he stopped me because I was going slow, he thought I might have been looking for deer. (I was driving an old worn out '65 Chevy C30 p/u with a 292 straight six, a three on the tree and a super low rear axle. The thing topped out at about 52 mph. After he looked the truck over, he asked to see the shotgun, I said sure, he then asked if he could fire it, I said, go for it. He went back to his car, grabbed a handful of shells and proceeded to blast a couple rounds into a no hunting sign on a tree. He asked if I wanted to sell it, I said no, its an heirloom , and he handed it back to me and said have a nice day. That was back in the mid 70's or so. I had FL tags on that truck and had just moved back to PA, but was headed home from shooting clays at my buddies farm. I guess things have changed.
  6. The part that I don't get is that these are all long guns, why would NJ care if I was going to shoot at a public or private range? My buddy there has a huge chunk of land attached to his farm, its an area that forms sort of a valley with hills on three sides. Its perfect for target shooting. Only his family and a few friends shoot there. We've been doing so for decades. In PA, carrying the guns in the truck isn't a problem, I rarely go out without at least one shotgun in the back. My Bronco has a gun safe in the back, it will hold about 8 long guns if they're not in cases. I don't hunt, and have no intention of getting a hunting license, its not worth all the hassle but I don't see why they would forbid someone from just shooting targets on private property? Here in PA we can shoot anywhere just so its not near a house. Guns can be had without any special card or id. I was told by a local PD some time ago that carrying the guns in the trunk was fine, just so they go back with me or they don't 'change hands'. I don't see how a NJ hunting license would help if were shooting rifles, I didn't think you could hunt with a rifle in NJ? (Other than black powder). One of my favorite guns to shoot there is my .303 Enfield and my old Remington .22 pump. As far as hunting on his land, shooting either rats or other nuisance critters, I don't think there's a license for that. As far as I know he doesn't need a license to protect his crops either. He's been shooting deer there for decades in the fields, they even gather hunting parties to lessen the population on the property there. Other than the rats that they shoot, I don't suppose much goes to waste, a few of the guys even eat the ground hogs they shoot.
  7. Hi, I'm a PA resident who shoots and hunts in NJ on private land. I've been reading this forum for a while now trying to understand NJ and its odd firearm laws. I have a family friend lets us help control pests on his farm, he's in a rural area of NJ and we shoot totally on private land. I regularly make the drive from PA to NJ with several of my shotguns and a small rifle in the trunk, so do many others. Am I breaking some law doing so? What's the difference between me coming to NJ to hunt or target shoot at a range there and returning home with my guns when I'm done vs. say giving one to a buddy to keep or store there? They do the same here, several buddies come up here to skeet shoot at a buddies place here, I can't say whether or not they have any NJ 'FID' cards or what ever you call it there, but as far as I know they're not breaking any laws here in PA. Long guns are pretty loosely looked after, especially if sold used between friends. There's no background checks or any reporting done when they change hands used. A new gun dealer has to run what we call a PICS check though, sort of PA's own version of the NICS check but done on the spot at the gun shop, no waiting. I also have four or more of my older shot guns at a buddies place in NJ, that way I don't have to haul so many every time I go and he can use them if needed as well. He's got more locker space there than I do here at home. I bought all of those at local flea markets or yard sales, so I'm not too concerned about them. they're functional but far from collectible. In my opinion, there's a fine line between which rifles and shot guns I consider mine or his these days. A few I just left there because I don't need them any more or because they got a bit rough shooting in the rain. I keep my good guns with me and carry them back and forth but I'm always buying something used just to try something new. If I like it, it gets fixed up and kept, if not, I often just leave it at his farm as sort of a back up or loaner there. We're not talking anything of any value, just $50 shot guns with glued and screwed stocks, rusty spots all over them and a handful of odd or mismatched parts just to keep them going. Most are older single shot shotguns. I also bring most of my ammo with me, I reload my own and buy some online here, I've tried to buy ammo over in NJ but most places won't sell to me since I don't have a NJ FID card. I don't think a NJ shooter would have any issues buying ammo to use here in PA though. One issue I did run into recently is when trying to buy several used guns at an auction in NJ, I was interested in four rifles, the auctioneer said I needed to have a FID card or I couldn't bid. I was going to have a buddy there bid and buy them instead but as a NJ resident they said he could only purchase two per month thus he couldn't bid on all four. I gave up and didn't bother either way. The whole mess wasn't worth the hassle. Only one of them were complete, the one that was likely was likely too gummed up and stiff to even fire yet they treated them as if they were dangerous weapons. Isn't it legal for a non resident in NJ to buy a gun at an auction? This was a private estate sale being held in northern NJ. As far as i know the guns went unsold at the sale since there were more guns in the collection than there were bidders with NJ FID cards. I think only 4 persons there had cards, and there were 31 guns up for auction that day. We're not talking assault weapons or new guns here, most of them were over 100 years old, which here in PA are exempt from any regulations as antiques. I can't count how many times here in PA I've walked out of a flea market with more than a half dozen or so old rifles or shotguns in various condition, and wasn't breaking any law in doing so. I too inherited a handful of 'family heirloom rifles and shotguns, they were all here in PA though and in the house I lived it at the time. They just became mine, no registration, nothing. What was grandpops, became my pops, when he pasted they became mine. I still use several of those guns and carry one of them to NJ when I go shooting. Its never been any thing more than just toss our guns in the trunk or back of the SUV and head to Jersey to Ben's farm for a day shooting varmints and/or a few targets he's got set up on the back side of a hill there. They don't expect us to have our guns transferred across state lines via an FFL every time we go shooting there do they?