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Bump!

I'm in tentatively...

I have XS Big Dots on my 870 and my G19. I had to cut down the front bead a bit on my barrel for the Big Dot to fit on properly. Was super easy with 10min and dremmel.

I replied to you via PM just now. neither dates work for me... The first date is my weekend on at work and there is no way I can get off on this short of notice. 2nd date is the end of Pa hunting season, I will be returning from my annual trip on sunday. I hope we can work out another date.

Thanks Anthony, I await your email! I will give you an objective review following the class.

Very good post Anthony and I appreciate the replies from your instructors. It seems as if there is some agreement amongst all of us.

I am the "instigator" and I didn't turn down anything.

I had to put in a new poll and lost the previous data when it disappeared. Please revote.

To be honest I don't need anyone on my side in this matter, the facts are the facts here with some subjective arguments thrown in. Just so you sir are aware, I have received numerous phone calls and emails about this topic. Most of those people have even MORE to say than I am, however they don't want to get involved. Just so we are clear, Bry@n and HD don't agree with me. Thanks. I will cry myself to sleep tonight knowing that.

+1 to not needing to use green ammo in most places... That would be a major pain in the a**. Glad NJ hasn't jumped on that yet here.

Well said Ron. I too like to get the perspective of various instructors.

What happened to the Poll? It's disappeared....

I am on the record all ready stating that I will take anthony up on his offer.

Being as the thread that was locked (Per NJ2AS and My suggestion) was continued on another section of the forum I'll ask the question here. With all things being equal: Cost and Location etc.

Bryan, I don't care where the class is, I will drive to warren county and get a hotel to take a pincus class. I have traveled all over the east coast for various firearms and other professional training classes/conferences. At this point the NJ2AS is out of this thread for topical reasons. Give Frank a call, I did.

First off I'm not a groupie of anybody, one would have had to actually trained with an individual to be a groupie. I'm clearly an advocate of quality training with as minimal expense as possible. Anthony, Show me where I said your instructors sucked? I quite simply said there are others providing training for Cheaper, who provide a higher quality of training. You're trying to tell me any of your three above listed employee's have the same level of experience and reputation as the list I provided earlier? Please. I'll gladly come up and take a FoF Class with you (are you going to be teaching it and/or participating?) , even though this thread was about PISTOL classes and not FoF. Shoot me an email (which you randomly got somehow) with the dates of your FoF classes and I'll let you know. By the way, I'm enjoying the commentary by all of you GFH Groupie's.

Let's not confuse the mindset here. Concern One: Winning Concern Two: everything else. I have used airsoft pistols and sim guns in training and you learn alot. Buy two airsoft pistols and see how hard it truely is to clear your house. My suggestion if you can't afford both of you to take a class at least one of you. There are some great force on force classes that will be a real reality check for you.

Most if not all of these trainers travel. I personally have taken classes by some of the above listed IN NJ. Some at SJSC pior to the GFH exclusive agreement. Forgot to mention Pincus, who this thread is about, is $500 for two days, and travels...

I think some of the competition people think when the reference is made to the "zombie apocalypse" it truly means Zombies like The Walking Dead; and not total social breakdown.

Lets talk about this a bit Anthony. Lets look at Pistol Training.... Your Urban Pistol I and II classes to be specific. Your cost is $225 each, so for a ONE day class the student is paying $450 For that same $450 per day (mostly for less) I can take the following Ken Hackathorn 2 Day Adavanced Handgun $450 Larry Vickers Handgun I (Two Day) $450 MDTS Combative Pistol 1+2+3+4 (Two Day) $370 Kyle Lamb Pistol Classes $250 per day Tactical Response Fighting Pistol (Two Day) $400 Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) 3 Day Defensive Handgun $930 Magpul Dynamics, Dynamic Handgun (two day) $550 All of the above have been independently reviewed by numerous people, and have published reviews in nationally circulated publications. Most of the above instructors are published themselves. Its not a matter of being able to afford to take your training.... it's a matter of spending money on classes that are undoubtably worth every penny you pay. And for me taking a "a Comparative stab" at your classes, see the above. Would you go to a surgeon because he is a great self promoter or to someone else because he has excellent peer reviews, is published, and is cheaper to boot! Sorry if you took offense, but the truth hurts. Everything I said in this thread is not speculation, but what I was told by your employees/representatives and those of SJSC.

Don't want there to be confusion for other people reading the thread. You speak of practical use, which to me means true self defense needs, not competition only.

Steer clear of Cheap weapons lights. They break, can't hold up the violence actual shooting. I use TLR-1's on rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Buy once, cry once.

That's the pot calling is kettle black! Ray You're the tacticool/ blactical god of NJGF! lol

So a rifle with a 50/200 battle zero is what? 1.5inches high as your move closes? In all practicality it's a moot difference. When bullets are flying that 1.5" makes little to no difference when stopping the threat. Not knowing and not automatically compensating is a training issue, not a gear issue. However, if this is for competition purposes only... disregard.