Shane45

Hehe believe me Ray Ray, Im not justifying, its just internet banter. If I answered like I answer my wife, my posts wouldnt be very intersting Me - entering with long case. Wife - you coming from the range? Me - Nope Wife - You buy another gun? Me - Yup (scurries off to tuck it away in the safe)

ps. Mipafox, I will escape to PA and join my freed brothers!!!!!!!!!

Just as firearms need to be matched to the role, right tool for the job so to speak, such is the case for single, semi, 3 rnd burst and fa. I suppose that the two most common scenarios for FA is suppressive fire and dynamic entry. With a weapon like the Kriss, I think full auto would fall into a very narrow usefull scope. It empties its entire 30+ round mag in what, 1.2 seconds. What is important to me are the split times, not just in the Kriss but any of my firearms that may be deployed in an offensive or defensive role. The FACT of the matter is that any handgun caliber firearms is less than ideally effective. I want to be able to deliver follow up shots as fast as possible ACCURATELY! Ok enough of the real world soap box. I also want to be able to knock down steel plates for fun as fast as possible too! As a point of interest my FA experience is with the P90. That thing ran like the full auto bb gun at the Carnival. It just stays on target!!! With a 50 round mag, you can stay on the trigger a LITTLE longer and still have ammo in the mag Shane

"The appeal of the thing to me is the purported function" In my eyes that make the butt ugliest thing a sexy beast!!!! Examples: My Robarm XCR UGLY!!! Function and features, Beutifull DTA SRS Dubble butt ugly!!! Function and features, Beutifull My Hayabusa not exactly butt ugly butt close. 187 Rear wheel horsepower :D :D

If I thought like that, my safe would be pretty barron!!! The only rifle in there not a SA version of a FA weapon is the AI!!!

I dont know about SP but I know the local PD does at CJR&PC. As private property I dont see how but from what I understand it wasnt exactly presented in a manner of choice in the matter.

Gotcha! Not a Troy under the scope though. Its and Arms inegrated into the riser rail. I may make QD an option. Again the market may just demand it. Shane

I also have a PS90 in 5.7 and an HK USC also in 45ACP. Microtech is SUPPOSED to be releasing an MSAR in 45 acp. Now that would be a hot setup! Shane

Cool, Tim. I need to do a little more ammo stocking up. My IDPA ammo stockpille is starting to look at me nervously!

I just cant do the "Costa" style shooting. Id be interested in how it felt mounted farther back by the mag well. Shane

Dirty, I see where you are going. Im going to point out a few things that may seem odd at first but represent the newest thoughts on the topic. Basically some of the problem with what you describe is the role that the tool plays. So looking at your rig, Im guessing 10X SS scope? Free float rail system, Bipod? This is not a CQB rifle, its a designated marksman rifle. In the role of a DMR irons are the standard backup BUT are really a sub par solution. You are in a role to provide precision aimed fire. Now I know a few boys that can hit with irons out far enough to make some folks with scopes blush! But what they cant do is easily ID the target. So in brief to not get too side tracked, the idea is to not have backup Irons at all for a DMR rifle. The idea is to have a backup Acog. Your optic fails, pull it off, snap on an Acog in a QD mount and get back in the game. Now I understand that what is important in the Mil/LE world may not completely translate to us in the civy world so lets look at your scenario for a second because if your like me, your trying to pay the bills and be a bit conservative and press what you have into more roles than 1. Your in the field. You want to ditch the aimpoint/irons and go to your scope. Why put irons back on under the scope? If your using your scope, your in a DMR or longer range engagement. If you have the time to pop off the scope, you likely have enough time to throw the mount back on. If I had my mount with RDS in my pack and my scope dies, I would pull it off and get the aimpoint on there. The market may prove to demand a QD solution for my mount but in your case you already have the wrench in hand to geth them rings (Badgers?) off anyway Just an observation you might want to swap your rings around. The serial # should always face foward. You dont want the bolts hanging out over the ejection port. (edit) Looking at your pic your question isnt thouroughly clear because your running an Arms38S-EX rail with integrated BUIS so you wouldnt have to mount up a BUIS seperate anyway. Your scope rings and BUIS are all on the arms mount so when you put it back, its all back. (end edit) Another solution altogether to your scenario, again bypasses irons altogether, its a Micro/Fastfire/Dr.Optic mounted at 45 degrees off the rail. Optic fails or you have a bad breath distance suprise, role the rifle counter clockwise and pick up the RDS and engage. I do not have BUIS on my DMR rifle. I have a TA33H-G as backup. (Although that resides on my Robarm XCR at the moment ) I hope this answers your questions. Shane

EchoMirage,the mount will come in different versions for M3, M4, and Micro. Any RDS that has a 30mm tube and enough tube realestate to clear my ring should work. I dont have any plans of making an Eotech version.

A reguler carry handle is 9.2oz The proto came in at 9.9. I'm confident the production pieces will be in the 8's.

Awesome brother. We will get together and see what we can come up with. Shane

Maybe he will need a blood transfusion and get the blood from a Canadien blood bank he sold all that tainted blood to collected from the prisons of his home state!!!

Cylinder, Im on the same thought pattern as you. All a prosecuter needs to do is pull up 1 pic of 1 socom operator with a SCAR and say, intent of the law, that is identical to that.

Dirty, give me an example. If you wanted to run a scope you would clear the deck (remove the entire mount) If you wanted to run an Acog, again , clear the deck. If you wanted to run an Eotech, well your SOL :naughty: . A Trijicon tripower fits my mount. I havent tested yet but I believe the Leupold Prismatic might, I have to measure length of exposed tube. The rails felexability would only be compromised if the mount was welded to it right? About the only thing that would be difficult is a flip magnifier. I have an entirely different approach not yet ready for discussion. The slot in the middle is for weight reduction but is also a mounting point for lights, ir des, etc etc.

Well.... I payed no where near 3k. It was within a couple hundred of my PS90. Muzzle rise even in semiauto is important in an effective cartridge. Keep in mind the climb reduction came from an independant lab. But I digress, Im no fanboy. If I get it and it sucks or doesnt do what it claims to do it will be right back out the door. After studying it I think it may be a true inovation, but only trigger time will tell.

Dont mind the lipstick. Its to make it less ugly.

This is the current design. I have an experimental flushmount in the works.

The proto is 6065. Production will be 7075.

Guys, I really like the forum here. I belong to a bunch of different forums but Im choosing here to show the first public pictures of my product. What I would like to do is have a focused cozy discussion right here. I would appreciate if this thread and my pictures dont get linked to or emailed around. I trust that those here will respect that. I have spent a GREAT deal of time and effort(and money) on this. With that being said if you have a good point, question or concern, please dont worry about telling me my baby is ugly. It has already been in front of a few High Speed low drag groupes and I have recieved very positive feedback. I damned near had to scuffle to get it back from a trainer from Blackwater :snooty: . So... here it is. Para-mount design features Unitized design

Let me clarify. A TON of people had this memo. Especially those of us in the open division high cap crowds in IPSC. Yet again NJ likes to create criminals....

Ray Ray, I like the idea of group efforts Put together a real article for the forum perhaps. We can write an objective article with a little editorial section at the end with personal opinions and personal pics. Sort of like the mags do when they review bikes, cars etc. Damadge true and valid point. But maybe subjective. If it lives up to its claims of 90% reduction in muzzle rise, that is worth 3x $$$ to me but may not be for everyone. When I fired one of the first P90's (not the PS90) on full auto and the thing stayed on target and ran like a sewing machine, I lusted ever since that day for a rapid fire carbine that stays on target. Granted the PS90 in rapid for will do just that but..... put a 5.7 next to a 45 acp and you will see where Im going with this :doh:

On a side note, I know a group of people that put on a zombie shoot and it sounded like a ton of fun. They basically got a hold of a bunch of maniquins and old clothes and did them all up and shot the crap out of them and had a Barbaque.