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Buty do it a good week if not two before the permit(s) expire - as told to me by the NJSP upon my application for same.

I don't get it because 6mm = 1/5th of an inch 3/8" = 10mm so the 6mm of an "airsoft" gun should then qualify as a firearm, no?

You might find some info here: http://www.nj2as.com/

Here's another question I have about loaning guns. If I go to a commercial range to shoot (pick one) and bring a friend or two, is it legal to let them shoot my guns? in general, will the range permit it? will NJ laws permit it? Must they be F.I.D. holders? NJ residents? I may at time want to take my daughter with me, or either / both of two future son in laws. One of them is a PA resident. None have F.I.D. cards at this time but all have expressed an interest to learn how to shoot. So can I share my guns at the range with them? In general, how many people can go with you to the range? 1 guest, 2, 3?

By reading the law, doesn't it seem to imply that if you have a trunk, the guns must be placed there and only if a separate trunk is not available (SUV etc) then the other is acceptable? Sounds to me that if you have a trunk, thats where they want you to trasport your guns.

Hold that thought as I'm quite sure there will be several examples we can point to that happen in 2012 we can use for reference... The public outcry will then be to not only outlaw replica guns, but all guns, yours too. But you're cool with that I assume..

For real firearms we have rules, yes as dicatated by laws and safe handling practices that you either follow or ignore. When you buy a replica gun, all you need is an adult over 18 to make a purchase. There are no other rules. There is no education. And certaily there is nothing that filters on down to the 'child" him/herself about safe practices. So what on earth are you referring to about not following the "rules??"

And what rules are they when Mommy slaps a toy gun into the kids hands and says, "here go play outside and give me some peace for a while" ???

You're right, the kids not an idiot,, hes a KID! His parents are the idiots.... The kid in TX the other day is not the first to die because of an 'air soft" incident with police. There was another in FL too. So just how many children should die before this becomes unacceptible to you?

I agree with you on this and I think it's bad in more ways then one. Sooner or later these airgun replicas are going to cause quite a stir (maybe when a NJ kid gets gunned down) and then there will be a cry to outlaw them. only then they will be considered "guns" (and NOT toys) by the general public and the cry will go on to add lots of fuel to the anti-gun crowds agenda. We the legal responsible gun owners will suffer for it. Trust me, these replica guns (for whatever their intended purpose) are not in our best interest. Personally, I'm almost shocked that something like this can be placed in the hands of a minor without direct full time supervision. I am sure the law enforcement community is fearful and against these as well - and that too cannot be good for us.

Jon & HD, Interesting! Can you point to any articles or threads about this topic? I have read just the opposite, that the bare minimum for HD/SD should be at least .40 and that 9mm has proven to be insufficient or inferior at least to the .40 Would love to see more comparisons on this topic, especially since I'm about to replace my wheel guns with semi-autos.

Please do elaborate. Why do you like 9mm better? (if your choice is in fact 9mm as you really didn't say.)

Well the whole point is to learn the law and the facts, so you DON'T have to worry, right?

Believe it or not I do. I'm not seeking out interpretations or opinions, I myself want to know the FACTS. Because like you, I agree that otherwise all we do is to "water down" our RIGHTS under the law.

And before anyone asks, YES I did read through this thread as well as several of the sub-threads too about this topic and there seems to be quite a broad spectrum of interpretation of the laws. (especially so for transportation of loaded magazines.) Good reading though.. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/29389-nj-law-summary-read-first-nj-gun-law-faqs/

Here's where I'm confused: I have a range bag. My weapons will be in the main compartment and secured with a padlock. It will also be placed in the trunk of my car. The question I have is about the ammo. Outside the main compartment I have storage sleeves built in for magazines which will be transported empty, so no issue there. However, the ammo itself will be inside the main compartment of the bag where the guns are secured. (Both behind a padlock and in the trunk.) Is that acceptable under NJ law? Or must the ammo be locked in a separate compartment from the guns? I've heard conflicting thought on this and know this is the best place to get a definitive answer. Thanks in advance, -------------------------------------- Q2 as an after-thought. Since my magazines are in another compartment of the bag and can be locked securely all by themself, is it permissible to transport those same magazines already loaded? Q3 Do plastic zip ties really qualify as being secured in place of a padlock?

I think alot of people would agree that .40 cal is better for home defense then a 9mm although the real key is to be trained and accurate on whichever you choose. That said, the 9mm would be cheaper to play with at the range (ammo is less expensive). Why not consider either a Glock or S&W MP in .40 cal as there are companies that offer conversion barrels for them from .40 to 9mm Then you simply swap out the barrel to practice alot with 9mm rounds and reload at home with .40 cal for home defense. Thats a good option. Barrels cost about $110-$160 depending on the pistol and length etc (plus you'll need new magazines too). Personally, if home defense is intended as a primary role, I wouldn't go anything smaller then .40 cal. (Range only is a different story.)

http://usnews.msnbc....hoot-up-in-2011 I like the play on words there: "FBI: Firearm purchases shoot upin 2011"

And how is it even legal to transport your weapon out of NJ if you aren't heading directly to a local RANGE? (do not pass go)

And therein lies the real problem as I see it. A kid like this is liable to be shot and killed by a LEO when he pulls that out and points it at somebody. Just look at the 8th grader who was killed in Texas the other day in his school. And he wasn't the first kid to be shot dead by LEOs as there was another already in Florida too. Everyone played "cowboy and Indian" when they were kids, or army etc but that was a different day and age (at least when I grew up). Today in the wake of Columbine etc. people will shoot first and ask questions later and rightfully so too. I myself am PRO Gun but this is something else. This is a real threat and danger to our kids. Many Parents simply don't parent very well these days and kids have allot more freedom. It's just scary that a kid can weild a realistic looking weapon without supervision, simple training or some basic cautions. I'm glad my "kids" are now adults....

At 2:56 (near the very end) "The keys to FREEDOM is the ability to defend yourself - otherwise you are at the mercy of whomever wants to put you away" What a relevant statement that is!

What happens when Kids start painting the tips of their guns BLACK and the criminals start painting the tips on theirs ORANGE?

The "Orange Tip" thing to me is plain stupid (appropriate for NJ) and what will we see next? The bad guys painting the tips of their Glocks orange... But to get back on point, you are a responsible parent. Unfortunately you are also in the minority today. Good for you and your Son though.

Truly sad, and it's one reason I myself don't care for "gun look-alikes" as in these air guns, pettet guns and such. The potential to be acquired and used by minors is high and the responsibility aspect of it is low. That's a dangerous combination right there. Law Enforcement is trained to shoot to kill and you can't blame this officer while staring at another gun barrel facing in his direction. Parents need to be held more accountable for any minor with these look alikes. And you certainly can't take the threat lightly either, not after the recent history of school shootings as we've seen. Very sad but justified outcome..

For one thing, it would seem like an anomaly for anyone to "see" their neighbor walking around on their own property with a handgun, holstered or not. Likely that sighting could or might generate a phone call to 911 or to the Police who would probably respond. What transpires after that is anyones guess but hopefully cool heads and the law will prevail. Still, you have to admit it would be an unusual sight in our State. But if we want to change it, we need to make it less of an anomaly and more of a regular occurance. Then it would be better accepted (like it or not to those who don't approve) and one of two things would happen. Either we would move our cause forward and make progress or god forbid legislation would soon be introduced to prevent a person from "carrying" on his own property outdoors. A good way to start would be to raise awareness of the laws and to ban together for all legal gun owners to make a point and to carry on home property on an agreed upon specific day. (Any day is fine, just not the 4th of July for obvious reasons although a national holiday might be good.) Having the law on your side is one thing but we need to also promote acceptance and understanding too. Think about it, if we all did it on the same day of the year, it could result in "positive" news coverage. Unfortunately, all it will take is one "yahoo" to be caught by the media to counteract all the good it might have otherwise done. Still, maybe a "gun owners awareness day" or something?