Justjules

If he was going into my kids room? God damn right I would, Right after I clearly heard him say he was going to harm my kids.

I have personally seen a guy high on PCP bite a chunk of flesh out his own arm, right down to the tendons..

Dont trust either one. Christie is a lying lawyer, and Sweeney is a back stabber union guy who sold the union members out last year. Both will say one thing and do the other. Christie sent out letters to all the PBA's asking for our support pre election, when we didnt back him, he turned on us and changed out pensions and benefit packages. He will say he will do something for you till he gets the vote.

Didnt you clearly hear him say he was gonna rape your wife and kill you as he entered your room?

nope...But you can kick his A$$...The force has to be reasonably necessary.

Read this: http://www.njleg.sta...0500/159_I1.PDF Then pick up a title 2C book and read use of force 2C:3-4 through 3-7 then read 2C:3-9 Then read them again, and again and again and just when you THINK you understand them, read them again... Bottom line is, you have to be in imminent fear for your life or your families life and when employing force, you are responsible for the force. IE. if you fire a round and miss and kill a neighbor, your super duper screwed...

+1 And no drum magazines, they are very strict with semiauto shotguns, buy a pump action, less restrictions. =-)

I never had an issue with anything i ran through it. I ran everything and anything through it including reloads., never an issue.

Well, we see how well that worked out in FL once the special interest groups and lying media got involved...

Im just showing examples of how silly NJ law is...

And that are all valid points your lawyer would be forced to argue for months and months in court in NJ costing you tens of thousands in legal fees.. Great aint it?

In NJ the homeowner not only would not be justified in shooting her, but he would have to render medical assistance for her intoxication and call her a cab home..then the next day he would be arrested and charged for sexual assault probably..LOL (joke)

Like I said, NJ is the most liberal pussified state they even made a "run and hide" provision of the law. Your required to retreat to safety...You believe that? Scenario: Drunk guy picks a fight with you in an open parking lot, takes a swing at you....You proceed to hit him several times knocking him to the ground,hitting his head and he dies....Guess who is getting charged with manslaughter cause the law requires you run and hide... (and a prosecutor will articulate how you could have ran away in the open parking lot to safety)

Here are some more factors that come into play in court and prosecution of use of force: Ability: does the suspect have the ability to cause you harm? Means: doe he have the means to cause you harm? Motive: does he have the motive to cause you harm? Other factors: suspects mind set-is he crazy? Suspects physical size- is he 6-10 350 lbs and your 5-1 110lbs? Suspects ability-is he a 3rd degree Jedi master kungfu expert?? Weapons- is he armed? Duh.. There are many things that factor into the use of deadly force that falls upon the responsibility of the homeowner. Also here is another factor one must consider in NJ law. Deadly Force and Civil Duty to Retreat A deadly force is not justifiable when an opportunity to retreat with complete safety is known by the defender to be at hand. The use of such force is not justifiable if the defender knew that it could have been avoided with complete safety to himself by retreating. Where these conditions are present, the defender has a duty to retreat, and his use of a deadly force under these circumstances cannot be justified as an act of self defense.

Then thats on you and you lawyer to articulate how a 21 year old 110lb drunk girl stumbeling around your house posed an "imminent threat" to your life where deadly force was the only justifiable option at that point....Just saying..Dont hate the messenger. On a side note,( and I know Im absolutely going to get flamed for this comment, )however I feel I must point out, that your very comment and mindset is what scares the general non gun owning public (I.E. Anti gun people) to death of gun owners. Your comment and mindset portrays a blood thirsty kill or be killed image to the general public and puts all of us gun owners in a negative light allowing the anti-gun people to paint us with a broad brush. I understand your point of view and believe me, I dont blame you one bit. Confronted with a situation like this one has to make a "legal" as well as "moral" assessment of the situation in a split second, thats why a clear and working understanding of the use of deadly force laws in NJ are of the utmost importance. Where a wrong decision will haunt you for life and a delayed decision may cost you your life. Welcome to my world sir... *flame suit activated*

I actually for once agree with you on both points. Now imagine my job where I have to make life and death decisions like this more often and get Monday morning quarterbacked by supervisors,media,prosecutors,judges and juries... i almost shot a kid the other night who pointed an Airsoft gun with a imitation laser sight at me while an elevator door was closing in the projects...We were there on a call of a kid with a BB gun, so my reaction was that at worst it was a BB gun, but I tell you one thing, if it was a real gun and he wanted to shoot me, he had me dead to rights. I didnt expect it at all.

I didnt find the P95 any heavier than the Glock or any other gun for that matter..

This sounds like a job for...... 15 rounds of 00 buckshot!!

Perhaps my comment was in bad taste or flew over everyone's heads. Buy yeah, I find a 21 year old drunk college girl in my house more of a blessing than a "imminent threat to my life" where it would require me employing deadly force. Keep in mind, we live in a liberalized state where no one is held responsible for their own actions except the sane people. I mean we entertain lawsuits that should be laughed out of court.. Try and convince a liberal NJ jury that you had no other choice but to employ deadly force on a 110 lb drunk 21 year old girl in your home and how you wer in imminent fear for you life...Right..Good luck with that. Juries and judges dont care about the "WHAT IF" the care about the "FACTS-LAW-AND WHAT HAPPENED" I.E. totality of the circumstances.

See my edited post, in response to his post. I posted the laws pertaining to using deadly force in your home in NJ. They read VERY tricky, a ton of "or" and "ands" need to be met. IMHO this girl did not deserve to be shot, that is someones daughter and her intentions were IMO not in malice. Had this happened in NJ the homeowner would be screwed beyond reality.

You know what is disgusting? You understanding of laws both morally and legally , pertaining to the use of deadly force in NJ and what you perceive as an "imminent threat" to your life. Your perception of when it is ok to shoot someone is far off living in NJ. Perhaps in Colorado it ok to shoot someone for simply intruding in your home, but I can assure you in NJ in this case you would be held criminally and civilly liable if you had shot her. A person may use force against another person if he reasonably believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by such other person. Such justifiable use of force is commonly call "self-defense." The provisions for self-defense to protect citizens from criminal charges is found in the criminal code at NJSA 2C-3-4(a), which states in part: "... The use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the unlawful force by such other person on the present occasion." In other words, self defense is the right of a person to defend against any unlawful force. Self defense is also the right of a person to defend against seriously threatened unlawful force that is actually pending or reasonably anticipated. When a person is in imminent danger of bodily harm, the person has the right to use force or even deadly force when that force is necessary to prevent the use against (him/her) of unlawful force. The force used by the defender must not be significantly greater that and must be proportionate to the unlawful force threatened or used against the defender. Unlawful force is defined as force used against a person without the persons consent in such a way that the action would be a civil wrong or a criminal offense. If the force used by the defender was not immediately necessary for the defenders protection or if the force used by the defender was disproportionate in its intensity, then the use of such force by the defendant was not justified and the self defense claim in a criminal prosecution falls. Deadly Force and Criminal Prosecution The use of deadly force may be justified only to defend against force or the threat of force of nearly equally severity and is not justifiable unless the defendant reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect (himself/herself) against death or serious bodily harm. By serious bodily harm, we mean an injury that creates substantial risk of death or which causes serious permanent disfigurement or which causes a protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ. One cannot respond with deadly force to a threat of or even an actual minor attack. For example, a slap or an imminent threat of being pushed in a crowd would not ordinarily justify the use of deadly force to defend against such unlawful conduct. In addition, one can under limited instances use force in the protection of others (NJSA 2C:35-5). Limited force under certain instances is also afforded in the criminal code for the defense of personal property (NJSA 2C:3-6C). Defense of Real Property (Your Home) and Criminal Liability A section of our criminal law provides that: "the use of force upon or toward the person of another is justifiable when the actor is in possession or control of premises or is licensed or privileged to be thereon and he reasonably believes such force necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission of a criminal trespass by such other person in or upon such premises." A person commits a criminal trespass if, knowing that (he/she) is not licensed or privileged to do so, (he/she) enters or surreptitiously remains in any structure or separately secured or occupied portion thereof. Our criminal law further provides that, in defense of your home: "the use of force is justifiable...only if the actor first requests the person against whom such force is used to desist from his interference with the property, unless the actor reasonably believes that (a) such request would be useless; (b) it would be dangerous to himself or another person to make the request or © substantial harm will be done to the physical condition of the property which is sought to be protected before the request can effectively be made." HERE IS THE TRICKY PART PAY ATTENTION!!!! "The use of deadly force is not justifiable in the defense of premises unless the actor reasonably believes that: (a) The person against whom the force is used is attempting to dispossess him of his dwelling otherwise than under a claim of right to its possession; or (b) The person against whom the force is used is attempting to commit or consummate arson, burglary, robbery or other criminal theft or property destruction; except that © Deadly force does not become justifiable under subsections (a) and (b) unless (i) The person against whom it is employed has employed or threatened deadly force against or in the presence of the actor; or (ii) The use of force other than deadly force to prevent the commission or the consummation of the crime would expose the actor or another in his presence to substantial danger of serious bodily harm." Simply shooting someone for being in your home? Not gonna cut it in NJ... Shooting someone on the "presumption" that there might be someone else with him or her or fearing what could happen under various scenarios, (What if) is not gonna cut it as a defense in the State of NJ. Your life is ruined..Period...

If it were NJ I could imagine the criminal charges and the lawsuits as a result....

If a 21 yo college girl broke into my house, I would actually be pretty excited...I wouldnt shoot her...

LOL@ the NJ.COM Throwback..

I just trade my P95 in after owning it for 15+ years. I think it is a great gun for the money and shoots great, you will like it. I just had no use for it and had not shot it in a long time, so I figured someone else could get some use out of it. I had a much older version than the one you got.