Sir Drake

what happened at aim surplus for them to stop selling lowers in Nj? A customer call?

End result was they will send one box with everything in it to the FFL. Two thumbs up for PSA customer service. I am going to keep my eye on their site though.... Thanks for the words of wisdom fellas! I do feel pretty good about taking the high road, but next time the less said the better!

Great...I won't go to prison, but if PSA changes their rules I'll wind up being a guest of the NJGF penalty box for life! :-)

Of course you are! If it ships tomorrow, it should arrive next week. Now all I need to do is get a brake for it. I was thinking about this one, which was discussed in another thread. http://nordiccomp.com/retail/shop/ar-15-10/nordic-components-tactical-compensator-223-black-oxide/

Nahhhh, I don't think their legal department is rewriting the rules and updating the website due to my chat with a CS rep. I explained to him that I was being overly cautious, and since they were doing the work anyway, might as well get it into the hands of the FFL and skip me, the middle man. He was just curious as to why, that's all. I was more surprised about the other half of the equation, not being able to ship the ammo to the FFL. Why is that (besides company policy). I thought an FFL could receive *almost* anything gun related.

I ordered a complete premium upper, an LPK and box of 9mm ammo from PSA, and requested the whole thing be shipped to my FFL (so they can do the compliance work on the upper). So far, so good. Yesterday I got an email from PSA customer service that the order is ready to ship, however their company policy is the ammo must ship to the address on the FID card for NJ residents. OK, fair enough... So I called them and said no problem, please send the ammo and the LPK, but the upper needs to go to the FFL. I offered to pay the difference in shipping since it would be two shipments instead of one. That's when the PSA CS guy said why not send one box with everything in it directly to me? When I explained that the upper needed to be compliant (no bayonet lug and flash hider removed and replaced with a pinned/welded muzzle brake) before I could have it, he was a little shocked. I explained that some people may feel comfy ordering the uppers and having them shipped to their home, but I'd prefer to do everything by the book and would prefer not to even touch a non-compliant upper. I'd rather send it to the FFL, get the work done, and pick it up all pinned welded and shaved. Did I do that right (albeit maybe a bit overly cautious) or am I missing something? Can you order an upper, have it sent to your house and then either do the compliance work yourself (not that I would but in general) or run it over to your FFL to have them do it?

I wonder how many they will sell...cus you know people will buy it! Would love to see the focus group questions when they did the R&D. Do you prefer to go rhino hunting with a gun or a knife? Duh...Gun What type of features would a knife have to have for you to change your mind? It would have to be as long as my gun, as heavy as my gun, and something deadly that can stop that biatch in his tracks better pop out the end! If we could make that happen, would you be willing to pay 5g's for it? Buddy, if you can make that happen I'd pay 10g's! We'll get to work on it...

I was just surfing the web, not even for anything knife related, and came across this in a popup ad. For $9500.00, you can own one of these puppies. For another $9500.00 you might even be able to get a lawyer to come up with an explainable legal purpose for EDC! The company recommends Best Use = Collection. http://www.bladehq.com/item--GIANT-Microtech-Marfione-Custom--13267 (Check out the video) http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/halo-v-3x-32-switchblade.asp Specs: Overall Length: 32.25" Blade Length: 13.75" Blade Thickness: 0.50" Blade Style: Tanto Blade Grind: Hollow Blade Finish: Satin Edge Type: Plain Handle Length: 18.50" Handle Thickness: 1.50" Handle Material: Aluminum Handle Color: Black Weight: 9 lb 11.20 oz. Knife Type: Single-Action OTF Automatic Opener: Push Button Brand: Microtech Country of Origin: USA Best Use: Collection

From what I gathered, the local PD needed to set up the systems first to receive the info. My guess is not all towns have done that yet, but sooner or later it will probably happen. I was given the option of letting them do it for an $18.00 money order or doing it online for $20. From what I read it looks like some towns can make it mandatory to do it one way or the other.

This process is just to see if there is any criminal history on file. The local PD still needs to send out the reference letters, do the mental health check, process the application like plode said, etc. I think the time savings by doing it yourself online comes from the fact that they don't need to do it in house (one less step). The cards and permits are still typed/printed by the issuing PD, at least that is my understanding. The criminal history check is probably the easiest and fastest part in the whole process anyway. Either you pop up on the radar or you don't.

Mods, feel free to delete this thread if this is a triplicate post. I didn't see them either! However, one of those threads linked to a bitch fest about paying the fee, including the $2.00 fee...two bucks! I get it, people don't like paying extra fees, I sure don't. But, if it means a 1-2 day turn around on the mandatory criminal history check vs whenever the local PD submits it, then I think quite a few people, including myself, would pay it in a heart beat. I also renew my auto and boat registrations online too, so I'm in for a solid $10-$12 bucks a year! The other thread was along the same vein as mine, so again my apologies. I actually thought about it from a cost standpoint. Due to the laws, there simply is no getting around the $18.00. A money order is about $1.50 and waiting in line for a few minutes at the USPS. For the additional fitty cent, the CC option with no line is not such a bad option. .

Picked up a HG permit app yesterday along with the usual and customary mental health and background check forms in the packet. There was also a sheet of simple instructions in there, offering the option to do the criminal history online at www.njportal.com/njsp/criminalrecords The officer that handles the firearms dept said the NJSP are doing something new where you can pay the $18.00 online (+ a $2.00 convenience fee) and complete the criminal history background check that way, instead of getting a money order for $18.00 and having the PD do it in-house. Important to note you need your SBI number on the FID card, so it wouldn't work for initial applicants. And you also need an ORI number, which looks to be a municipality identifier. Last night at 10:00pm or so I filled out the paper forms and entered the info online for the criminal history portion. It was pretty easy - name, address, etc, SBI number, ORI number provided on the paper instructions by the township. Pay $20.00 on my CC, get confirmation e-mail, done. This morning I went in to drop off the forms, and the criminal history check came back already. It was in the computer at the PD when he came in this morning. I think I am the first one to do it that way here, he was awfully surprised that it came back so fast. He said it saves about 30 days of waiting just for that! All they need to do now is the mental health check and wait for the reference letters to come in. Overall, it should save LOTS of time, and much less data entry on the local PD's part. Just thought I would share. It may be awhile before it comes to every town, that ORI number is the key and is required to do the criminal history form online. Sounds like they had to do something to their computer system locally to tie it all in. They just started rolling it out this year here in town. Maybe this is a good thing? Progress via technology, reduced wait times, less work for the local PD, not too shabby. Again, just thought I'd share. Has anyone else come across this yet?

Thanks for all the input guys, I think a M&P Shield 9mm is the winner...if I can find one! Gunbroker looks like about the only option. Oh well, no biggie, just gotta read all the fine print in the ads. Good choice for a firearm ya' think? Some of the ads specifically mention post-recall for the shield, that's a nice selling point! If any of the vendors happen to see this and have one in stock, I'd certainly welcome a PM. Time is factor, would rather use the permit in time than ask for an extension. Oh, and I did some research, STORM lake has been dragging their feet for a 40-9 conversion barrel, however a company called kkm should have them out in about a year! YIKES! Might as well get the 9mm now, and apply for new permits in the future.

Hmmmmm an M&P shield...that's got some merit. I'll do a little reading up on it. Is it one of those guns that is readily available or on back order everywhere? Also can it be changed to a .40 like the full sized M&P with a barrel change? I remember seeing that option through storm lake when I was looking into the FS M&P. Where can I get more info on the UT CCW, and why would someone want it? I realize it would be NG in NJ but it would be OK in some other states?

Really appreciate the responses from everyone, TY. Was trying NOT to add another caliber to the mix, (like a 380). If that's the case, I might as well go back the original game plan, which was a revolver of some sort. Maybe a Ruger or S&W 3" or 4" .357. Or maybe a little .22 semi-auto??? Also was trying to keep the cost down a little, $600-$700.00 seems a little pricy for a 6 shooter, at least during this time of year. You're supposed to spend it on the children, right LOL! Nice chart brocglock23, is that something you made up or was that on a website somewhere? Basically says what I thought, a little smaller here, a little thinner here, but pretty close. To answer your question, for me the 92fs is the best gun for the range and for home (love it!). I was just thinking out loud more or less. I figured since the full size element was taken care of, it might be nice to have something small-ish. No CC needs (obviously). BobZ - I did pick up a little "brochure speak" in some of the vids. Kinda funny you mentioned that. I have a trained ear for that sort of thing. Oh well, now back to the drawing board!

Need to use a permit before the end of the month. I've read all kinds of reviews, watched some youtube vids. Tried to search on the forum but wasn't getting very good search results... I was initially thinking about getting the LC9, but then I started reading about the Kel-Tec. Both guns look close in size, weight. Both 7+1 round capacity, etc. Kel Tec is a little thinner and lighter though and looked like a contender. Price is within $100.00 of each other. Kel Tec looks like it has some nice accessories for it as well. Even has a rail. Use would be (maybe) nightstand and paper punching. Is Ruger / Kel-Tec of the same quality, or is one way better than the other? I know nothing about Kel-Tec, but from what I read it has some merit. What about things like trigger and spring upgrades? I really love my 92FS and the Beretta decocker system and have seen/held some of the smaller Beretta models (PX4 compact and subcompact), but for this purchase I was thinking of something small, light and relatively inexpensive. A little help pls? Thx!

It is a bona fide boat license issued by NJMVC and is required for gas / diesel powered boats over 1 HP and all PWC on any fresh water, non-tidal lake, river, pond, stream or puddle. They add it to your driver's license, and it actually says auto/boat. http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/Motorboat.htm Motorboat or jet ski license MVC issues motorboat and personal watercraft licenses for use on fresh, non-tidal waters or lakes, creeks or rivers not affected by tidal conditions. A boat license and New Jersey boat safety certificate is required to operate a power vessel or personal watercraft - jet ski or waverunner - on non-tidal waters of New Jersey. A boat license is not required for non-powered vessels. http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/maritime/pdf/061108_nontidal.pdf (Flow Chart) In order to get your boat license from NJMVC, you need to first obtain your boater's safety certificate, which you get by sitting through an 8 hour class. NJ does NOT accept the online boating safety courses. The class is given either in one full day or two nights. They spend ALOT of time talking about jet ski (PWC) safety and how they don't turn without power, trailering, marine navigation, markers, DUI, personal floatation devices, etc. I found it pretty interesting, even though I have been boating for 35+ years. Always something to learn. Once the class is over, you take a test, about 100 multiple choice questions IIRC. They grade it on the spot and give you a temporary boater's safety certificate if you pass. The official one comes from the NJSP a few weeks later. THEN you go to DMV and get your boat license add-on for $18.00. The classes are usually scheduled at marina's, municipal halls, etc. I took mine through BoatUS - http://www.boatus.com/courseline/courseline.asp Good luck, and happy boating!

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I thought this was interesting - wayyyyyyyy down on the bottom of Yahoo today. That statement in bold below sounds like ...Hmmmm, yeah we passed a law, but we are aware that some healthcare institutions (or federal agencies) won't / can't follow it so we'll take what we can get from those willing to comply with the law ... Makes it sound like an option? Optional state law? And if some healthcare providers comply, and some don't, and they are aware of this from the start, then what good is it at all? http://news.yahoo.co...-180220621.html ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — The federal Department of Veterans Affairs said Monday its mental health professionals won't comply with a new gun law in New York that requires reporting the names of patients they believe likely to hurt themselves or others. That provision is set to take effect Saturday. Several veterans and their advocates warned it would deter many from seeking counseling and medications to deal with post-traumatic stress disorder or other psychological issues. Veterans fear their rights would be taken away. Under the law pushed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, the information would be used by state officials to determine whether someone should give up a gun license or weapon. VA Spokesman Mark Ballesteros said Monday that federal protections of veterans' treatment records take precedence. The agency's lawyers had been studying the New York statute, which passed in January. "Federal laws safeguarding the confidentiality of veterans' treatment records do not authorize VA mental-health professionals to comply with this New York State law," Ballesteros said in a prepared statement. "Under the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, federal laws take precedence over conflicting state and local laws." Cuomo, addressing reporters Monday, acknowledged limits to the law, which he advocated in part to keep guns away from the mentally ill and avert mass shootings like the killing of 26 children and adults last year in Newtown, Conn. "Depending on the institution or the organization, they have pre-existing legal parameters," Cuomo said. "Some organizations just say at the beginning of the day, 'All communications are confidential,' period, 'all information is confidential,' period. So it's going to have to be viewed in light of their legal structure in the first place. It's up to them." Paul Rieckhoff, founder of the 200,000-member Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, based in New York City, said New York's gun law has been a topic among veterans in New York and across the country. He said it would definitely have had a chilling effect on them seeking or continuing treatment because of confidentiality and overcoming the stigma of getting treatment for mental injuries. "We're already struggling to get folks to come out and get help," said Rieckhoff, an Iraq vet, citing just a 52 percent utilization rate at the VA. He said the issue is even more complicated for veterans because they have been trained to use guns, which in some places are an important part of their culture. Robert Green, a 64-year-old Vietnam combat veteran, who has joined protests in Albany against a state law he also regards as an infringement on his Second Amendment rights, agreed it would have deterred veterans from seeking help. He noted none of the mass shootings involved vets. He would not say whether he had any issues connected to his service for the same reason he thought others would, explaining, "It could be used against me." New York's law also sets a seven-bullet limit on magazines, tightens the definition of illegal "assault weapons" and requires owners of formerly legal semi-automatic guns to register them. Derek Coy, a 28-year-old Marine Corps veteran now living in New York, who was in Iraq in 2005-2006 and diagnosed with PTSD in 2009, said he has gotten counseling and medication for symptoms including feeling numb and "crippling anxiety." He said that it is hard enough for vets to admit they have a problem and get help, and that New York's law threatened to put up another obstacle. "I never had feelings to harm anyone else. I have had suicidal ideations," he said. "I own guns. I like to hunt. ... This will deter people from being honest and open." At the Mental Health Association of New York State, chief executive Glenn Liebman said the concern is not just veterans who won't get treatment for fear of the stigma of being listed in the state database or who will hide serious issues from their therapists. "We think it has been a mistake to equate mental illness and violence. There are so many other predictors that are so much more significant," Liebman said. "Clearly, with regard to PTSD, the rates are much higher among veterans than the general population. ... But there's so much stigma associated with mental illness in general, and it's very difficult for veterans to come forward." In February, a VA report said that in 2010 about 22 veterans committed suicide each day, at rates higher than the general population and higher still among women vets. That was based on 27,062 suicides by those with U.S. military service among 147,763 suicides total in 21 states. The VA's National Center for PTSD said experts think that 11 to 20 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans — the number clicks up to 30 percent among Vietnam veterans — will experience that disorder. The New York State Psychiatric Association, representing more than 4,000 practicing psychiatrists, said confidentiality is a core guiding principal in medicine, particularly in psychiatry, where patients' disclosure of thoughts and feelings, including anger, hostility and resentment, is often essential to treatment. According to the association, psychiatrists already have a duty to notify police when they conclude a patient presents "an imminent risk of harm to self or others," but the new law contains no such time distinction. Richard Gallo, the group's lobbyist, said "imminent risk" occurs when a patient reaches "a crisis stage," and the association has proposed an amendment to say that. Cuomo said Monday, "The law says it's totally up to the health provider if they come forward or not; it's totally up to them." However, the statute says mental health professionals, absent laws to the contrary, "shall be required to report, as soon as practicable," the names of patients who, in their judgment, are "likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others." There is an exception when physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers or registered nurses believe reporting will endanger them or increase the danger to potential victims.

Looks like the CO Senate committee voted tonight on their 15 round mag bill and a few others...passed 3-2 pretty much as they expected. This one seems like a 90 degree slippery slope though, Bill 196. Notice it only applies to some guns, not all, and juries would need to decide what the standard means. Yikes! Suppose they applied that logic to car sales, baseball bats or scissors manufacturers, etc http://www.denverpos...lity?source=pkg A bill to make manufacturers and sellers of assault-style weapons in Colorado liable for crimes committed with their guns cleared a state Senate committee Monday night. Under Senate Bill 196, sponsored by Senate President John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, manufacturers and sellers of semi-automatic rifles could be sued for violent acts committed with the guns if they "negligently entrusted" the assault-style weapon to someone whom they "reasonably should have known might use the weapon" to cause harm. Manufacturers and sellers would have to "use the highest degree of care" in selling, storing or transferring weapons. Morse has said juries would have to decide what that standard means. Assault-style weapons "are designed to quickly and efficiently kill large numbers of human beings," Morse said. "No one needs to have one," he said. Republicans have adamantly opposed Morse's bill as a back-door ban on semiautomatic rifles for law-abiding citizens. "My concern is that under this, the only people that will have semiautomatic guns are criminals," said Sen. Steve King, R-Grand Junction. King said Morse's bill overlooked the underlying reason behind spree shootings. "We are not addressing the Number One priority and the Number One issue and that is people and not things," he said. The bill exempts handguns, shotguns and bolt-action rifles, but critics said it would still classify a number of other weapons — like break-open shotguns — as assault weapons. Morse said those issues might have to be addressed. Dave Kopel, a University of Denver law school professor and a gun rights supporter, said the legislation was "not a bill whose draftsmanship rises to the level of competence." The legislation was being heard before the Senate Judiciary Committee at the state Capitol on a day when hundreds of gun rights supporters crowded the halls of the building. A federal law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005, already prohibits lawsuits against gun makers and dealers for crimes committed with their products. However, Morse said the federal law still requires that manufacturers and sellers of guns follow state laws in selling their weapons. And since state law would require the "highest degree of care" in selling the guns under his bill, gun makers and sellers could still be sued despite the federal law, Morse argues. Gun rights supporters say the bill is nothing other than a cynical attempt to make an end run around the federal law and amounts to a de facto ban on assault-style weapons. The bill passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on a 3-2, party-line vote and now goes to the full Senate.

Is Bill A3687 the first one they are reviewing, or did they do any others yet? Sorry, just tuned in...

I respectfully disagree, that just doesn't seem like his style. He'll either sign or veto, but he won't just hide under his bed at The Mansion and come out on day 46 looking for his shadow. After all, what kind of strong leadership skills will that show? No, he's going to face this one way or another if/when gets to his desk. The rest of country would never forget, or forgive him if he didn't.

Listened to the stream all afternoon. Based on the pictures in this thread and comments at the hearing, what was the ratio of pro 2A vs anti public attendees, about 30:1?

Yep, that's where the info and data came from (post on their Facebook home page). I don't "do" FB, and probably never will. So I can't log in to see all the juicy bits and comments, just what's on the home page.

The bill will run its course and either pass or not, that is still yet TBD. Hope for the best. What is interesting is they included manufacturing to it. If passed, this would cause Magpul to consider moving their CO production facility somewhere else, and cost some 200 employees and 700 subcontractors their jobs. Has anyone factored the economic impact and trickledown effect some of these bills would have? 900 ppl looking for work, not spending money on food / goodies / taxes / toys, possibly losing their homes, etc. Then you have things like empty buildings and homes, increased burden on unemployment and assistance programs, loss of property tax revenue and all the other fun things that happen when companies pack up and head for greener pastures. Just food for thought...