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It's called education. A mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Try it sometime.

So, in the case of the Arlo, with rechargeable batteries and no power supply, that would be tough. Wow, that would be like daylight, plus it must help increase the visibility distance too for the camera.

That pretty much sums it up for most.... Those are great for non IR cameras or IRs that crap out, but I believe they need a power supply too, right? So it would still entail running wires, which could be an issue with the wireless systems.

Actually, this is a BIG issue with anything falling into the IoT of devices. Anything in your house that runs off of the wireless network is subject to hack and intrusion. The biggest culprit, people NOT changing the default log in and password with the device. There are tens of thousands, probably more, that are ripe for intrusion, just based on that password situation. But, let's install MORE wireless devices in our house (thermostats, video doorbells, baby monitors, smart TV, music systems, video cameras, alarm systems, light bulbs, refrigerators, HVAC systems, phones, etc. etc. etc.) What could possibly go wrong.. Then add in Alexa, Google Home and Facebook Portal, that are listening all the time.... ....oh, never mind.... Alexa, make me coffee.... (ha, that's a joke, my house will NEVER see one of those recording devices)..

or a sling shot. Remember, we're not allowed to have them either.

What if it's hard wired to the router, like my DVR is? Nothing runs wireless on it. Actually, it's tied into my personal router, where I set up the security and firewall, then that router is piggy-backed onto my Comcast router. If someone gets into my Comcast router (who knows what shit Comcast does, as fucked up as they are), they can't get into my router the same way. OK here's an example. First, the normal view on one of my cameras that's mounted up in the peak of the roof. Now, I'll zoom into the garbage can in the top of the screen: I can zoom in even closer, if I want. That can is about 80 feet or more away. The night vision will also light up that can, and the motion recording will trigger if anyone goes near it, even from this distance. Plus, I can grid out areas (which I have done) so it doesn't trigger record, change all types of contrast settings, change the sensativity of the record motion, trigger an alarm or text when it records, and it will record continuously, without any breaks in the action, until motion stops, a whole bunch of other stuff. BTW, this is a HD 4 MP analog camera that costs like $60. Not a $200 camera. Also note, I snapped these pictures off of the video monitor with my phone, then emailed the pics to myself, so they're not direct captures, but went through the conversion through my phone. The true images on the monitor are a lot clearer.

This is a big concern of mine with these wireless systems. The video (and Audio) is being stored on the cloud somewhere. Where is this "somewhere"? Who has access to it? Have a camera in your living room or kids room? Kitchen area? What's being recorded on it and being sent to the cloud? I bet the cloud technicians have a field day watching video clips sent in from everywhere. How many are they sharing with their buddies? See, this is the difference? With a wired system the video is being sent to the DVR on premises and stored there. That's probably 98% of activity. It never goes through the network or router, but the direct wires. The only time it would leave the DVR is when you access it remotely from your phone to see what's going on. How often is that? With the wireless systems, 100% has to go through the router and network and to the cloud. So, first, that means your network and router and rechargable batteries and cloud all need to be working at 100%. Is that always guaranteed? See the difference yet? And a bad guy won't take the Arlo hub with the flash drive attached to it? Sounds like you're reaching....

You originally posted Arlo pro, not Arlo pro 2. Please be specific next time. Then you post this?? Really? The standard $400 hardwired systems have night vision in the 50 - 100 range, versus 25 for Arlo. HD 4 MP analog cameras are like $60. 4 MP IP cameras are like $110. Don't accuse others about posting misleading information. I posted what I read directly off of the Arlo site. You just posted a bunch of non verified misleading hyperbole. There's a difference. I just read on the Arlo site the Pro 2 has a "up to 23 feet motion detection range". That's not very far. What happens if the target is 25+ feet away? No recording? I have some of my cameras covering the back of my house. That's easily 75+ feet, and it will record the motion at any distance. What happens if a guy tries to break into a window that's 40 feet away from your Arlo camera.... So sorry, no video recording for you! I get it, you love your Arlo cameras. But don't go posting a bunch of non-verified BS when the data and facts show, a hard wired system outperforms the Arlo system hands down, for less money.

You caught that too. They can be unrestricted on "official duty".

Absolutely NONE... but everyone was hiding under their beds and not taking their 15 rounders to the range all Summer, because Nappen said they could get busted for transportation of "High Capacity Mags" after the mag law was signed in June. So, you're saying there's zero chance anyone will get nailed leaving a range with a +10 rounder now?

Great idea!! What's the date?

Just saw this on NJ101.5. The article says that that "Mag Fix" law that restricted LEOs to 10 rounds like us, was sent to Murphy today to sign. It says it's a 17 round max capacity, not the 15 that was in the original law. Did anyone hear this today?? You can’t have large ammo magazines in NJ. But soon cops could In May, Gov. Phil Murphy signed a law that reduced the maximum capacity of ammunition magazines from 15 rounds to 10. It had an exception for on-duty police officers or those commuting to and from duty – but not while off-duty. The limit took effect Dec. 10, last Monday. The Senate had passed a bill that would change the law in July, but the Assembly failed to do so at voting sessions in September and October. “It was simply an error, and quite frankly I think just the date, the Dec. 10 date, caught up with everybody. And it was rectified today,” Colligan said. “I know the governor will be signing it very quickly.” The bill now on Gov. Phil Murphy’s desk would let off-duty police carry magazines holding 17 rounds of ammunition or less. They could possess magazines that can carry more than 17 rounds, if it’s used with their work-issued firearm. http://nj1015.com/you-cant-have-large-ammo-magazines-in-nj-but-now-cops-can/

Ha Ha... yep.. It's not like they give you an extra year in jail for every round over 10. Hell, I'd go for 50 round drum mags, go big or go home. I bet that's like 90% of them. Hardly anyone knows about the new law. Should be a field day for LEOs waiting outside all the ranges. They'll be able to fill bus loads full of felons.

I see lots of limitations of Arlo compared to a wired system. First, the cameras are only 720P. That's considered low, based on what's available today. Night vision is only 25 feet. That's nothing. They charge for video storage with a monthly fee. No thanks. Record time: Looks like the maximum is 2 minutes and shuts off. Not good if what's going on is longer than that. Cloud based recording and saving of video. Where exactly is it and who's viewing it? I prefer having MY video on MY DVR in MY house. They're wireless and need regular recharging, who wants to deal with that when they're mounted outside up on the house. No power supply, so you need to buy an additional battery or power supply and run the wires for long term use. Or climb up and take the camera down and charge it all the time. Some reports only after a few days the battery is dead. That's a major pain in the ass. They're wireless, not hardwired, which has known drop offs in reception of video signals. Video requires a GOOD signal strength to transmit video data. Hard wire beats this hands down for video transfer with no drop off of signal. Even with all these limitations, a 4 camera Arlo system is $650., not even close to being competitive to a wired 4 camera system. And that's before all the add-ins you need to make it a true functioning, long term system and then paying for video storage. I went over to read the reviews on them. The biggest issues I see mentioned over and over is battery issues and video drop off and viewing issues. Also, a bunch of cold weather issues, which with a battery powered system, I would expect. Many issues with missing recording clips too and delay in the motion activation. For a $650. system (plus all the add on costs), all of that would be a MAJOR concern and a no-go for me.

@fishnut The first question I have is what's your definition of "inexpensive". That can have very many different levels to everyone. Then, what is it that you're trying to accomplish. Start from the result and work backwards. What distance do you need to see? Are you watching the access to the house or bigger sections of your property? That will determine what resolution and field of vision you need. What's the distance for the night vision? Different cameras have different IRs, which will determine how much will be seen at night. How many cameras? Just 4, or is there a chance maybe one or two more. Consider a 4 camera system with a 8 channel DVR, that will allow expansion. Camera type? The most popular are dome or bullet, but there are other types, depending on what you want to see, like PTZ, covered dome, pinhole, etc. Finally, the actual system. Do you want a NVR (Network video recorder) with PoE (Power over Ethernet), which will run higher resolutions over Ethernet cable or is Analog with HD 1080P or 4 MP cameras run over standard Video cables OK? Some of the standard systems I'm familiar with are Swann, Lorex or Q-See. Lately, I see a whole bunch more Chinese systems that entered the market, but I have no idea how good they are. You can get a standard HD 1080P or 4 MP system from those three I mentioned, with a 4 camera/8 channel DVR with 2 TB of storage for around $300 - $400.

THIS is a very important point!! Does anyone know if it was used by our attorneys with the mag ban injunction? This point absolutely helps justify the higher round mag possession, as by the time the cops get there to help you, you're dead, all they can do is start writing the report.

Ahhhh, now you want the Democrats to make sense and act logically? I think that's a real stretch in today's political climate.

Notice the operative word there "accused", not "convicted". Drip, drip, drip.... piece by piece by piece, the Anti-2A contingent is trying to strip away our natural rights. Any chance it sounds familiar? WASHINGTON - The D.C. Council on Tuesday could pass new laws restricting the ability of gun owners to modify weapons and require police to seize guns while enforcing protective orders in domestic disputes. The latter provision - known as a "red flag law" - is gaining popularity, with variants implemented in more than a dozen states, including Maryland. The D.C. version would mandate that authorities take firearms out of the hands of suspected abusers more quickly than is permitted under existing laws. Other proposed laws, if passed, would the ban rapid-fire attachments known as bump stocks and increase penalties for extended magazines, accessories that allow guns to fire faster and hold more bullets. The D.C. Public Defenders Service opposed the bills at a public hearing in March, saying it was concerned that authorities would have too much latitude to seize weapons. It also said the gun-accessory restrictions are unnecessary because such items are regulated under existing laws. D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham sent a letter to the council noting the objections. "It will, ultimately, create an environment more accepting of illegal guns and the crimes they are used to commit," the chief wrote in the letter. He called the immunity measure a "highly unusual and, I believe, counterproductive step" and said extending the protective-order process to protect illegal guns "will undermine efforts to protect the community and other potential victims of violence." "As drafted, it makes the otherwise lawful possession of a firearm an unlawful possession as soon as an order is signed by a judge," Semyonova said. "The bill criminalizes conduct that is protected by the Second Amendment, and the person would have no reason to believe it is against the law." https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/D-C-proposal-would-let-police-take-guns-from-13470614.php

That's exactly my point. Kav was willing to fight back against the shit show, and knew the blender it would put his family through. What are the odds the current sitting judges will be willing to do that exact same thing, when arguing a 2A case and all the lunatics like Moms Demand Action and all the other Anti 2A fringe groups start showing up and make a scene with the other judges? Will all the other judges stand up and fight back, like Kav did, while having their personal lives investigated and threats made against their families? To think that won't happen during an important 2A case is being really naive, based on the level of partisan attacks and the antics of the radical Lefties lately. Do I want that to happen, no. Do I totally rule out the possibility, based on what I've seen the last year or two since Trump won, no also. The Democrats and the Liberal media have zero issues throwing out all types of bullshit and lies. Time will tell if the S.C. takes on any important 2A cases, but I'm not betting the farm on it.

I regularly flip over to my live screen, just to see what's going on with all my cameras. Many times just to check and see if they're working right, if there's any spider webs, see what's going on, just look around the yard, see if the pool cleaner is working right, checking to see if night vision is working, package delivery, if wifey pulled into the driveway, where poochie is in the yard, etc. From what I've read, some of these wireless cameras require you to keep clicking "continue" every 30 seconds or so to watch the live feed. If I had to do that each time, it would drive me totally out of my mind.

Yeah, that seems to be an issue with the wireless cameras, the duration of the live feeds. It seems to only be in short windows, and not continuous for as long as you want. My live watching is forever, there's no limitation. One feature my wired system has, in when motion triggers a camera to record, it actually goes back and records/saves the 20 - 30 seconds BEFORE the trigger event. So when you play that recording, you can see what happened right before the camera got triggered. With some of my cameras, I have them overlapping an area, so when it triggers, I can go watch the camera to the side of that one to see the incident start. I don't believe the wireless cameras can do this, and give you the lead in segments. Plus, my system will continue to record if there's movement and not time out, which could be for minutes, and continue to record until 30 seconds after movement stops. Also, that record duration is completely programmable to be extended or shortened, as needed.

I would LOVE to see that happen, and see the Constitution respected the correct way. Unfortunately, I think gun related cases are like touching the third rail on the subway, based on that it's such a volatile subject in the country now. The crazy antics of the radical Left has made many people take pause, and step back. I hope the SC doesn't end up doing the same thing, and will have the balls to tackle these cases head on.

Is that why they haven't taken up the at least 5 or more cases sent to them the past years. Afraid to lose them? Instead, they send them back down to the state Federal level, where they are argued and ruled on, then become law of the land. Isn't that the same end point, and denied for good? The facts are, they've punted on more then they've argued. Call it what ever you want, they haven't been willing to take the cases on in the past, for whatever reason, but NOW you think they will welcome 2A cases in with open arms, based on how even more crazy and divided the country is? Really?

Ha ha Almost, he is a Lab, just like Clifford, but he not Red, he's Yellow (almost White).