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9mm Buffer and Spacer - 29.06 Charging handle + BCG - 105.93 Spikes Tactical 9mm Lower - 149.62 BCM vertical grip - 25.46 Z9 Stinger PDW Upper - 182.95 Transfer Fee - 30.00 PSA lower parts kit + SBA3 - 159.93 Magpul MBUS - 62.36 Pin/weld - 53.30 Total Cost - $798.61

I agree having to pin anything is stupid. But it is required given that without the muzzle device im under 26. And since given the nature of its size, it would be a more likely candidate for home defense over my regular AR. For flash mitigation, the A2 is great bang for the buck. Since th is is a picture thread, heres another before people revolt.

Again, I'm looking for flash mitigation. I've shot A2s before and they werent that bad. So I'll shoot it with an A2 for now. If I want to swap it out in the future, then atleast the A2 was included in the kit and I just pay for labor. If in the long run I want something else, i'll look into it. But it has to be pinned to be legal to own for the given barrel length.

Without the a2, the OAL would have been 25 7/8. No bueno

For those who'd like a total cost break down (including shipping and taxes) PSA Upper w/ LPK and SBA3 - 444.62 PSA Lower - 52.24 Pin/Weld - 53.30 Magpul vertical grip - 19.83 Transfer + NICS - 30.00 (I transfered two lowers at once so I got a break on the fee and only paid NICS once) Total without optic - 599.99 Holosun - 139.68 Grand Total of $739.67

Well I have an AR with a comp on it already. I've shot rifles with A2's when I was in and they honestly arent that bad. I wouldnt be doing any competitions with this as it would be a possible home defense option, so I want some flash mitigation. Worst case is I hate it and I have a gun smith remove it and I put something else on.

PSA Stripped Lower PSA 11.5" Lightweight w/ SBA3 Kit and pinned/welded A2 Magpul M-Lok VFG Holosun HS403B.

now that is freakkin sexy

Yes that is measured to the end of the threads but there is a caveat, i based that off a 10.5 measurement, which is exactly 24.425. I'm assuming when it comes to barrel length the measurements are on point given the nature of the ATF rules.

Took some measurements. For a 10.5 barrel with standard buffer tube that brings the OAL to 24.425" from end of the tube to barrel threads. So you'd need a longer muzzle device to bring you over 26" OAL. For a 11.5 barrel with standard buffer tube that would give 25.425" so you'd be able to choose pretty much any muzzle device and still meet 26" OAL after pinning/welding.

By definition if it has a brace its not a rifle as a rifle is designed to be shouldered and a brace is not.

With a 10.5 and your'e right in in the middle of 24-25" from buffer tube to end of threads. I can have a more exact measurement later.

Im not against buying at all. They put in the work and are free to sell. Me personally I can build one for cheaper using all the same (relevant) parts.

Not that you shouldnt do it. But if you do, be prepared to have a conversation (no matter how unlikely). I've never had law enforcement eye me down when i have 10 round pmags in 30 round bodies. I think for the most part you'll be fine. But there is a chance you should be prepared for it. Thats my opinion.

I completely agree with MAKSIM that you should not build a NON-NFA unless you are prepared to have a conversation. Even if you are 100% in the right, if you cant articulate your point, it wont look good. I definitely dont want people who are not well versed to buddy the waters. This is why to avoid muddying the waters, a detailed guide could help, so atleast at the minimum, they havent broken any laws.

Hence, my suggestion for a guide to help the people not immersed.

Thats the beautiful thing about having freedom to do what you want. You may not see the point of building one of these before an AR, but someone might. Especially since the options are limited for non-nfa compared to the endless configurations of regular ARs you can walk into any store and look at.

Thats true, but it may not paint the full picture to someone who may have never built an AR but want to try their hand at non-nfa. For example, that description doesnt address if flashhiders are ok or not, which they are. Theres more details that builders may need to know.

Figured someone would ask. lol

Testing it this weekend. The flash can is zavair. I had to get it pinned and welded. Big props to tier one defense. Did a great job.

Z9 Stinger PDW 9mm Upper 10.5" with pinned and welded flash can for overall 27" Spikes Tactical 9mm Lower 9MM Buffer with Spacer United Defense Labs 9mm BCG SBA3 Brace and LPK from PSA BCM VFG Magpul MBUS After all said and done came out to little over $800

Yeah her military service means jack to me once you ignorantly (or deceptively) restrict the constitution.

What does everyone think about a build guide? While there are some who follow this topic very closely and know the ins and outs of what is allowed or not, there may be a few stragglers or newcomers that are overwhelmed by the information and myriad of letters and opinions from the NJSP. Nothing about the guide should be taken as legal advice obviously, as there are some who are not sure if they want to take that leap given the NJSP "guidance". More of a "well, I'm willing to build my own and I'd like to know what the bounds are" guide. The following is what I've come up with. If there is a mistake please let me know. Some key points mentioned so far: 1. Must have a pistol brace 2. Must have a vertical fore grip (no hand stops or angled fore grips. Some vertical grips have a light angle, such as the BCM VFG but should be fine. 3. Overall length of over 26" (does not include muzzle device unless it is permanently attached.) 3a. If overall length is over 26" without the muzzle device, it does not need to be pinned/welded. 4. Evil feature list does not apply since it is a firearm and not a rifle or pistol (flash hiders and bayonet lugs good to go) As for length barrels, see the chart (credit to u/saucenet on reddit). 10.5 will be the shortest you can go and still get up to 26"

This is the sad state of affairs that NJ has fostered for us citizens to live in. No one wants to even have a wiff of illegality, which in itself isnt a bad thing. And frankly I blame the state for this, not the citizens. At this point it seems that the NJSP is good to go with non-nfa. But has there been guidance sent to the other law enforcement municipalities of their legality so some ignorant officer wont tackle you if they see you at the range with what they perceive as an SBR?

What I'd like to know is how many people in this state have been tried and convicted for intent to create an unlawful firearm. Seems like it's easy to charge you but to convict the burden of proof seems pretty high.