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Nope never got permission. I hear ya. Would just really like to build one but I’m a pussy. The truth hurts Lol i don’t want anyone shooting my doggo.

By any chance would you have any knowledge if NJSP will allow the people to build their own? And or if they will be clarifying this specifically? thanks in advance

No they don’t. Whatever happened to that Elizabeth judge who left 3 pistols in his car over night only to have his car broken into and his firearms stolen. Do the transportation laws not apply to him? Was his stop reasonable? Were his guns locked in the trunk? Of course not. So when we say the police are told to do their job, yeah that means it’s to poop on the commoner. Nothing ever happened to that judge proving further that the laws of NJ do not apply to law enforcement and anyone in the political or judicial arena. Anyway. I’ll be buying an MM in the coming weeks. Lol

This state is hilarious. NJ doesn’t follow federal law, gives them the finger while forcing us to harbor illegals, while they go around killing joggers in Jersey City. Yet, here we are, in the legal zone and of course the NJSP doesn’t want us building our own, or owning any firearms to begin with. Might as well pony up and buy the modern material to put these firearms in common use so when they are banned, take it to the SC. I love the three class system of NJ.

I didnt email them myself.

Because it "appears" to be legal to build as of right now. There are a few emails that went out, that I know of to NJSP specifically asking if they can be personally built. I can wait to build one with approval. Me making sense versus legally building one are two different things.

Ok, Great, this is good to know. I've never seen it brought up here till now. Thanks for the heads up! That is good to know in case we arent allowed to build our own. But like I said, I am literally a barrel, gas block and a rail away from having a legal non-NFA firearm myself. So am I wrong to not want to go out and spend the 1000$ extra that it would take to get me there?

These companies didn’t crack the code. This was done privately by an individual over a year ago through guidance of an FFL. So I have 2 stripped uppers, lowers, lpk’s, bolts and a few triggers, now I am supposed to go buy Their stuff when all I need to buy is a 150-250$ barrel, a gas block and rail. Ok? So why should I go buy a firearm that costs 1300-1500 From some company(companies) no one has ever heard of, and has never had any gov contracts? Thank you for having these companies offer this non-NFA firearm for sure, but they didn’t originate the build. If that is the only way to get these magical non-NFA type builds, fantastic! I’ll go buy one as soon as NJSP, says that’s the only way to achieve it, till then I will doubt that it is. so are these companies on par with Noveske, Daniel Defense, BCM or knights armament? Did anyone do a round count on their builds, probably not. They literally slapped on an upper with a brace and said here you go. $1400. A whole bcm 11.5” upper is 600. You can then get a lower, lpk and bcm trigger for about 1000$ total. Bcm is a military contractor too.

It would if you wanted to go with a a shorter barrel to meet OAL.

AFAIK, no there is no weight requirement. There is only one weight requirement and that is for pistols. Yes, correct. So same length barrel (you can pin and weld to achieve greater length or same of shorter barrels) VFG, and a Brace, while maintaining the greater than OAL of 26”.

Many have already done this. NJSP said the configurations have to be virtual identical to the ones listed.

Stripped lowers aren’t considered rifles until it becomes a rifle. so you can’t take an ar15 that was purchased as a rifle, and make it one of these firearms.

Thank you! This is exactly what I believe and it’s kind of gross because I was on the verge of ordering one directly from them until I specifically read that it was specific to manufacturers only. (I had a receiver sitting in the safe and would rather use that) roll mark etc and some geissele parts i personally prefer which is the only reason for going the build route.

Ok so now let’s refer to the NJSP opinion; From the NJSP: "The New Jersey State Police Firearms Unit finds that the submitted Troy Industries A4 "other firearm" as well as the Dark Storm Industries DS-15 Non-NFA Firearm Typhoon are legal for sale in the State of New Jersey and are NOT considered to be an "assault firearm." This opinion is based upon the two firearms reviewed, however if the design or dimensions change from those samples, it may change the classification of the firearm. ". however, if design or dimensions change, it would change the classification. meaning, if we copy those designs and dimensions with other parts, we are legal. take those specific barrel lengths, brace and vfg, you’re in the legal class of firearm. This is clearly written and all legible. Take a lower, build it, throw on a brace, copy the manufacturers specs, and you have a NJ and federally legal firearm. Do otherwise and you have another class of weapon.

If it was directly to a manufacturer, why did they not state, that it is OK to manufacture. Manufacture is not Construct. the question was, can I legally construct an ar15 type firearm, In which case the state police specifically says yes, such a firearm would not be subject to NFA/AOW provided it is greater than 26 and not concealed. In the question, it specifically states can *I*, not we, Franklin armory, Troy, manufacture such firearm. i is personal, relating to the specific individual, not business related. It’s a shame these manufacturers want it all for themselves. Makes me almost want to never purchase their products for the way they are handling this.

Page2 is it legal to construct. NJSP: yes. NJSP/AG\Gov on the letter head. I can’t actually believe I missed this statement in the letter due to pure excitement. notice it did not specifically say. Manufacter only

I went eotech. I sold my mro because it did look like a comma (mild astigmatism) but if I focused on the target and kept the setting low it worked fine. The eotech was perfect out of the box with no blurring or visual issues.

Seems like the Rights of The People only matter in certain states and at a certain price and for a select group of people. That text in bold is meaningless, apparently.

If you build the lower, attach a brace because it is not a stock, do not have a P2P, meaning it’s not a pistol, how could anyone legally say you are building an ASsault weapon when the brace is specifically designated for the firearm, therefore no possibility of Constructive possession. Constructive possession has also never been the first charge either.

All I know is, the firearm law is very specific and so is the atf’s non-NFA. NJSP just said those configurations are legal. Not sure why these specific manufacturers are stating that they can only be bought through them because then building an ar rifle or firearm would not be legal. Stockholm syndrome??

So then sending all the parts to an FFL/Smith to build such a firearm should then be legal. You never possessed the barrel, fh etc

Well the receiver can literally go 3 ways. It doesn’t matter what the manufacturer identifies it as because it’s still a receiver which will be made into a firearm, rifle or pistol. Pistol obviously out of the equation here in NJ because of weight. The issue here is that the manufacturers in the prospect of being profitable, obviously decided to specifically use their own model for non-NFA firearm and that was the only thing asked. They should’ve included receivers to be made “firearm” because legally, physically, it is identical in every way with the exception of the receiver. mind you, let’s say I bought this DS MM FA, and I dislike magpul VFG, because they used a magpul, now I can’t even swap the vfg because that one recipe, is the only one two or three models approved. No, they’re all achieving the same goal with different components so I can’t see how this is nothing but fear and fear mongering so guys won’t build their own legal firearms. At the end of the day, the FFL should just do the third option and if NJSP ok’s it (because it’s literally the same thing) just build it... I personally feel that the manufacturers don’t want you going out and building your own because they want that niche market that everyone in America already has access to, forcing us to use their specific ar-firearm recipe. I want my own trigger, vfg, brace, tube and in the colors I like.

I don’t see how buying a receiver to make a rifle is OK in NJ yet buying a receiver to make this “firearm” would legally be a problem. The state police letter specifically states that, these specification alterations could lead to being a different category of weapon. So if we copy the Troy MM DS, currently there would appear to be no legal challenges. The Conundrum here is that weapons like the shockwave can not come from mossberg as a receiver without being a shotgun, whereas the receiver of an ar comes in as an ar. So how is this any different than building one. Especially when the configuration of the home built and or manufacturer built, is identical. If the problem is that they are worried we could make an sbr, then owning a sawzall could do just that and is pure nonsense. the fact is these are legal because of a brace, proper overall length of >26” and have a VFG installed. What NJSP should have said is that, bringing a receiver to a smith to finalize the build, as a firearm is completely acceptable as per law. The Smith could verify length, p/w, put the brace on, and you would never need to possess the barrel at all.

I wonder how this will turn out

So if I decide to Pin and weld ( I don’t have any parts in front of me to measure) would a 10.5” barrel with a 3 prong flash hider 2.6” with the upper and carbine tube qualify over 26” bare minimum under ATF/NJSP measurement procedure differences?