Underdog

I agree completely with Old School. The Tea Party is made up of Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians... All are welcomed under the big tent. Here is a Robert Heinlein quote for thought: “Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” By the way, Star Wars Geek must also be a fan of Lucas... And I threw these in for good measure: "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -Robert A. Heinlein

It's still pretty rare. I may have been fortunate to have mine come in. When I searched for one, locally, all of the distributors have them allocated as far as I know, so its hard to get. I may have jumped the gun enough, that I might have been at the top of the list for one of them.

I am not sure about your experiences with ultra-right, religous Tea Partiers, and I am not sure about your particular group, but I can tell you that the Tea Party is a grassroots movement and not focused on religion. Essentially, there isn't a centralized group that controls it, although there are major groups like Americans for Prosperity that organize under its banner. It is a gathering of Americans, supported by the majority, in which Americans believe that the government is assuming too much power and control and involving itself in EVERY aspect of our lives. It is about identifying and changing the corruption that occurs mainly because of the disjunction between career politicians and the special interests they serve and the American people that take the hit. It is a movement that resists the attempts of mainly the Left toward class warfare and that the solution is to attack the rich in its quest to create a socialized state. The Tea Party is about individual responsibility. Your experience is NOT typical, most Tea Party members, and I am proud to be one, believe in the right of the individual, and that by protecting that right, you are protecting the right of a free society. The Tea Party, made of many parties, A group of Americans, it would welcome your involvement. Become part of this grass roots individual protecting the rights of individuals. When you get involved, you could share the disillusionment you felt and make it better. This is a chance for Americans to make a difference and put us back on track as a land of liberty that shares the blessings of a free-market society. Actions and agendas have to come from principles, and every day people, members of the Tea Party are working toward that. Be part of that and make a difference.

I am just waiting for the "One Gun a Month" thing to end so that I can go and pickup my new Ruger SP101 (22LR). I think a heavier 4" revolver in .357/.38 would be nice for a home defense gun. A .357 can be hard to control, and it would be difficult for follow-up shots, but it also shoots .38. Also, a .357, even in a 4" barrel, will produce a lot of muzzle flash that can be blinding. But, you can get some souped-up .38 HPs and put in it for home defense and they would probably work better for the control and less flash. A heavier, large-framed revolver would also have less recoil and would be better for you, or a significant other, to handle. You could use the automatic and she could use the revolver (Although, she might go to jail for using YOUR gun, even in self-defense, and with HPs which would probably tack on more jail time). In particular, I think a GP100 is a good choice because it is rugged and you can opt to replace with night sights. I think a single night sight on the front would be particularly effective. But, if you don't want to go that route and replace the sights, then you might want to consider an older used service revolver in .38 for your purposes, such as S&W Model 10 and use the savings to put toward the 22 revolver which would probably become your most shot gun. In particular, I think a 22LR revolver is nice because it is cheap to shoot and will handle a variety of ammo. It would also be good in a survival/SHTF situation because of versatility, availability of ammo, etc. And, its probably faster to reload during practice than an automatic .22. A 9mm double-action revolver might be nice. I would consider the Charter Arms CARR if it ever gets released, although it seems like it would come with a snubby barrel and thus have a pretty good kick. I would prefer at least a longer barrel. However, any 9mm revolvers are rare and expensive and I imagine that the .38/.357 animal is more versatile. If you were going to use your S&W M&P 9mm for defense, which I think would be a good idea, you would have more options in what to get in a revolver since you would not be depending on it for self-defense. You might be able to consider a single action for example, and or a 22LR. I personally would have no trouble leaving a couple of tested magazines from MODERN semi-automatic pistol (200 plus rounds shot through them without a problem) for 4-5 years (or even 10) without worrying about the springs. Just leave one less round in the magazine. For an all out survivalist-type gun, you might want to see if you can locate a Ruger Blackhawk single action w/ an extra cylinder. I believe one distributor has them in stainless with about a 4-5" barrel and you could get one that handles (.357/.38/9mm). Now that would be versatile and fun to shoot. I don't mind the reloading and continually cocking the hammer. I have been told that the 9mm cylinder lacks a little in accuracy, but I am sure that it will get he job done. That would give you flexibility with sharing of cartridges with your M&P and the cheaper pricing of the 9mm to use. And, you would conserve Ammo and think about your shots, more. Or, another option would be a Ruger Single Six w/ an extra cylinder. It would be cheap to shoot the 22LR, and it you got the 6 plus in barrel it would be pretty accurate. And, the .22WMR cylinder would give you penetration capabilities. Ruger has a Single 10 that would be nice and you can load 2 at a time, but no 22 Magnum cylinder for it, yet. An older Ruger Speed/Security Six might also be a really nice gun, if you could find one and didn't need to update the sights. If it was me in your situation, I would probably go with the .22LR double action revolver to begin with such as the new Ruger SP101, unless you wanted to arm both yourself and another in your household. If you went this route, you could pickup a used GP100 with the ammo savings from shooting the 22LR, later on, and yet you would still get a lot of practice. Regardless, no matter what you get, a quality revolver is a joy and will be something that you can pass down.

I am just waiting for the "One Gun a Month" thing to end so that I can go and pickup my new Ruger SP101 (22LR). I think a heavier 4" revolver in .357/.38 would be nice for a home defense gun. A .357 can be hard to control, and it would be difficult for follow-up shots, but it also shoots .38. Also, a .357, even in a 4" barrel, will produce a lot of muzzle flash that can be blinding. But, you can get some souped-up .38 HPs and put in it for home defense and they would probably work better for the control and less flash. A heavier, large-framed revolver would also have less recoil and would be better for you, or a significant other, to handle. You could use the automatic and she could use the revolver (Although, she might go to jail for using YOUR gun, even in self-defense, and with HPs which would probably tack on more jail time). In particular, I think a GP100 is a good choice because it is rugged and you can opt to replace with night sights. I think a single night sight on the front would be particularly effective. But, if you don't want to go that route and replace the sights, then you might want to consider an older used service revolver in .38 for your purposes, such as S&W Model 10 and use the savings to put toward the 22 revolver which would probably become your most shot gun. In particular, I think a 22LR revolver is nice because it is cheap to shoot and will handle a variety of ammo. It would also be good in a survival/SHTF situation because of versatility, availability, etc. And, its probably faster to reload during practice than an automatic .22. A 9mm double-action revolver might be nice. I would consider the Charter Arms CARR if it ever gets released, although it seems like it would come with a snubby barrel and thus have a pretty good kick. However, any 9mm revolvers are rare and require those metal clips (unless the CARR becomes available), and expensive and I imagine that the .38/.357 is more versatile. If you were going to use your S&W M&P 9mm for defense, which I think would be a good idea, you would have more options in what to get in a revolver. You wouldn't have to worry about defense per say, and you might consider a single action. I personally would have no trouble leaving a couple of tested magazines from MODERN semi-automatic pistol (200 plus rounds shot through them without a problem) for 4-5 years (or even 10) without worrying about the springs. For an all out survivalist-type gun, you might want to see if you can locate a Ruger Blackhawk single action w/ an extra cylinder. I believe one distributor has them in stainless with about a 4-5" barrel and you could get one that handles (.357/.38/9mm). Now that would be versatile and fun to shoot. I don't mind the reloading and continually cocking the hammer. I have been told that the 9mm setup cylinder isn't as accurate as it could be because of the space, but that it will get he job done. That would give you flexibility with sharing of cartridges with your M&P and the cheaper pricing of the 9mm to use. And, you would conserve Ammo and think about your shots, more. And it still could be used as a home defense or backup home defense gun. Or, another option would be a Ruger Single Six w/ an extra cylinder. It would be cheap to shoot the 22LR, and it you got the 6 plus in barrel it would be pretty accurate. And, the .22WMR cylinder would give you penetration capabilities. Ruger has a Single 10 that would be nice and you can load 2 at a time, but no 22 Magnum cylinder for it, yet. An older Ruger Speed/Security Six might also be a really nice gun, if you could find one and didn't need to update the sights. If it was me in your situation, I would probably go with the Ruger SP101 22LR and use the money that you will save in ammo to put toward a GP100 at a later point and time. Regardless, no matter what you get, a quality revolver is a joy and will be something that you can pass down.

I went through same experience buying home. There apparently is someone with same name that has very bad credit. Athough we have different middle names and social securities and birthdays, and stuff, it was about an extra month to get the loan.

If it was going to be used for home defense at night, I would not get one with a ported barrel unless I had sun glasses on.

I second a Ruger. An overpriced Python does little for me and wouldn't make sense unless you are going to add it to a collection. In particular, for value, I like the GP100 and the older Speed/Security Sixes. If you want interchangeable, adjustable sights go with the GP100. However, I have a crush on a particular older Speed Six with a 3" barrel. This might border on collectible status, too, though. Although I like the look of a blued revolver the best, I would recommend a stainless, 4" barrel one if you intend to shoot it a lot. That would probably give you the most versatility. A older Taurus 66 is also built like a slightly lesser tank and you might be able to find a bargain. A S&W 686 would also be another fine choice, if you found a nice used one. Stock, it probably has the smoothest trigger. But, I would prefer the rugged Ruger GP100 and its springs. Depending on what you are going to do with it, a Ruger Blackhawk single action in .357/.38 would also be very nice. In fact, I cannot think of a much better survival gun combo than a stainless Ruger Blackhawk with a 5" barrel and an additional 9mm cylinder and a Glock 19.

I am actually looking forward to the fiber optic sight on the Ruger, though, as I am fighting the need to get optical devices for my eyes. I wonder how much difference there is in the triggers. Ruger would have had to have outdone itself to come close to the Smith. Although Smith quality seems to be a little less these days. But, for the $150 difference I can get a lot of 22LR to have fun with.

That sounds like a nice gun and might have a nicer trigger. It might be interesting to have a comparison between the two. I would have guessed that the Ruger would be a more rugged revolver, but the Smith appears to be heavier and that is with a "lighter" cylinder due to two extra holes. All things considered, I would probably prefer the choice that I have made. It is about $150 cheaper out the door and has adjustable sights, and it weighs less. I wonder which one of the two has a better sight picture, though, and which one is more accurate. If anybody has a 617 with a 4" barrel and wants to compare them at the range, let me know.

Mine is suppose to come in today. However, OGAM is messing with me and I will have to be patient for my birthday present.

http://josh-rosenroth.newsvine.com/_news/2011/08/05/7263894-germany-schleswig-holstein-cops-not-satisfied-with-new-pistol-walther-p99q-whats-next

At least now you can cling to your guns and religion for a while.

I just checked out the review, as my buddy gets the subscription, and that is a pretty sweet gun.

I am a little frustrated because the thumb safety is cutting into the top of my Walnut grip and marring it when the safety is off. I have to send mine in for the Recall and I want them to address that, too.

Thank you all for your help. I can get the slide on every time, now, but I have to reset the trigger to shooting mode before putting the slide back on. It goes on smoothly like that. It is impossible to put it on with the trigger in the tripped, all the way back position. This is completely different than the G3 Gen23 that slides on with the trigger in any position very easily.

Thank you all for your help. I can get the slide on every time, now, but I have to reset the trigger to shooting mode before putting the slide back on. It goes on smoothly. It is impossible to put it on with the tripped trigger position.

Here's a review: http://lead-slinger.com/ruger-sp101-8-shot-22lr

Ruger released the SP101 in .22LR, today! It is a stainless model with a 4.20" barrel, an 8-shot capacity, and rubber grips with wood inserts. It is 30 ounces and has a fiber optic front sight and an adjustable rear sight. It lists for $675, and I have one on order for $525. I can't wait! I hope that it has a nice trigger. The catalog # is KSP-242-8 and the model number is 5765. Click on the image to see an enlarged one.

You might be able to use (6) if you renewed three of them. But, realistically, it seems that at most (5) would be practical.

It won't go on with the trigger all the way back. It only goes on when the trigger is reset and ready to shoot.

I was able to put it on with the magazine out, but I had to reset the trigger first, or it just wouldn't go on. Does that seem normal? I have the recoil spring in the correct position.

If you have small to medium size hands, make sure you checkout the PX4. It will most likely fit your hand, better, although the sight radius is shorter. Additionally, I believe that the trigger on the PX4 is much nicer than the 92FS, and you will be able to upgrade the sights. On the other hand, the 92FS is an awesome looking gun and feels good, but it is heavy. If you opt for the 92FS, I would get the 92A1 with the ability to change the front sight. I am not sure of the M9 version of the A1 has that option to change sights, though. On the flip side, the 92A1 comes standard with mags that are larger than 17, while the M9A1 has 15-rounders. Make sure you check the mag size as well. Lastly, what is the magazine size that you will get with the PX4? Would you be stuck with 10? I know you said that you have narrowed it down, but for me for a range gun, it would be a toss up between the 92FS and the CZ75. I actually like the grip on the CZ 75B for my smaller size hands better than the 92, although they are both pushing it. In my opinion, the CZ75B w/ brushed stainless is just awesome. I would check it out as well, but the magazine capacity could also be a problem, and parts and everything will be slightly more than for the Beretta and probably much harder to find down the road. Customer service is probably similar. If you want a more versatile gun, I woul consider a more compact and lighter gun than the 92FS. There is a 92 Compact that would be nice, but unless you are carrying it, you would not have any advantage because it doesn't have a smaller grip/trigger relationship, the magazine is less capacity and it has a shorter sight radius. So, for what you want, it would not have anything up on the 92FS full size. I would not get the compact PX4 either, though, as I believe the sight cannot be swapped out. All in all, I would probably get the PX4 over the 92A1 unless I had larger hands. If a budget is an option, the Stoeger Cougar might be a possibility. But, it lacks the adjustable backstraps and the finess in the PX4 trigger.

Thank you. I will try tonight.

Maybe he ticked off or threatened a family member or relative and it was thrown there by the other party. When he found out about it he was searching for it. Mabye he should have been carrying a revolver.