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  1. It's not required for a Permit to Carry a Handgun. Police qualification, retired police qualification, and P2C all have their own unique rules and the PD's get them mixed up. NJAC 13:45-2.4 lists 3 ways you can qualify and you need any one of the three, not more than one. completion of a firearms training course just like the police take. submission of qualifications scores using the handgun you intend to carry done with a certified firearms instructor. passage of a test on the State's laws governing use of force. by a certified firearms instructor. You need only one, not two, not three. Google the law above for more details.
  2. So much speculation and rumor on this site about the legal use of force. Are you required to retreat? Can you use force to defend property? Can you defend someone else or only yourself? Are the rules different in your home? A lot of information came from a guy who knows a guy who used to be a cop or something like that. So here are the real answers to all of those questions in 4 parts. If you plan to carry a firearm for self protection in NJ, you should know what the real law says. And, unlike a lot of NJ law, this is pretty easy to understand. New Jersey Statute 2C:3-4 Use of Force in Self-Protection New Jersey Statute 2C:3-5. Use of force for the protection of other persons New Jersey Statute 2C:3-6. Use of force in defense of premises or personal property New Jersey Statute 2C:3-9. Mistake of law as to unlawfulness of force
  3. Maryland Handgun Roster https://licensingportal.mdsp.maryland.gov/MSPBridgeClient/#/home bottom left of page. You have to search by manufacturer. And that is the goal.
  4. Delaware recognizes a Utah non-resident permit. Not sure if being a Delaware resident changes that or not.
  5. I agree about respecting the property owner's wishes. But if you go to a really safe party, you still have to get there and back, and I'm probably stopping somewhere on the way to pick up a bag of chips and on the way home for a cheeseburger because the food wasn't great.
  6. If I have a reason to believe the host wouldn't want me to bring my gun, I'll leave it home. Their house, their rules. Generally I don't see a need to discuss it. Concealed is concealed. But, all the people that would invite me to a party have either already applied or are working on their paperwork now.
  7. I've never been asked to show an FID To handle a firearm in a gun shop. Must be a North Jersey thing.
  8. Different instructors are handling this differently. As posted here a dozen times by as many posters, the instructor is certifying that you are "Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns" and that is done through "test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor" NJAC 13:45-2.4. Some instructors want to see you shoot each firearm separately. Some are saying that if you certify with a striker fired semi auto, you clearly know how to operate that type of firearm and will allow you to list other firearms of the same type that you own on the same form. Some are even more lenient in what constitutes a "type".
  9. Skipping the irrelevant parts... NJAC13:45-2.4 (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns shall be evidenced by... 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; I suspect denials based on not having a RPO instructor are just rumors. The law is pretty clear who can certify the qualification.
  10. There are no places approved by NJSP. Gun ranges must submit a membership list to the NJSP annually but there is no approving gun ranges. Instructors are approved to do RPO permits. And carrying a firearm is a constitutionally protected right. There is on exam to vote or to speak freely. NJ law requires: (1) demonstration of familiarity with safe handling and use of a handgun and (2) submission of qualification scores. There is no specific course of fire or minimum score required. If the rumor is true and counties are collaborating to require things that aren't required by law - to exercise a right, they are wrong to do so.
  11. 2C:58-4. Permits to carry handguns a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by section 2C:39-5e. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit. The line "owned by the holder thereof" sounds like carrying our spouses guns won't float.
  12. I suspect that the fix will be for a clerk to compile a list of permit applicants and give the list to the judge for a signature. One signature for all the permit applications submitted in a month or two week period.
  13. Just re-read the instructions and form to make sure I didn't miss anything. I don't see anywhere where it says the reference's signatures need to be wet ink. Just says the form needs to be notarized and the only spot with the notary block is the applicant's signature.
  14. I copied the form after my references signed. The only wet signature on all 3 forms was mine - which was notarized x3.
  15. What's the insurance cost? Websites requires entering your contact info to get a price.
  16. Since you qualify twice annually, I am assuming you have an RPO permit. Governed by a completely different set of NJ laws with some federal laws thrown in. They're two different kinds of carry permits.
  17. And that makes sense. The instructor is certifying familiarity with safe handling and use. Those things are up to interpretation and it's okay with me that different instructors will want to see something different to be convinced of safe handling and use. But it would be nice if the range you're buying the service from could tell you what you're buying.
  18. I'm not sure but I would start with your local PD or NJSP if you go through them. The FARS site lists an email address to contact. They can point you in the right direction.
  19. I applied for permits a couple of weeks ago. My references received an email within seconds of my clicking "submit". I'm pretty sure the reference emails are automated and nobody at your local PD (or NJSP) sends the email manually. If the email wasn't sent, something didn't work.
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