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I find it aborhent that the people killed by Jared laughtner before that young lady are brushed under the rug to demonize gun owners.

Then what Nick has been saying.. and saying it all along is that we are going to have to give something. Take a training offer to them? Would you be willing to state 20hrs or training is feasible to reissue did cards? We should be driving the conversation? Would you trade 10rd mags for a ccw opportunity?

No.. but the look one lady gave me as she asked where she should stand was priceless. It had just enough disgust mixed with a lip curl to go with the overall sneer that it made me bust out laughing and call her on it. There was one lady that parked her car right in the middle of a bunch of supporters... and asked us not to damage her car. Ha.... I assume that is what she would do to my car if the tables were turned.

All of us went into the office and signed the register. The congressman's staff was very nice and supportive.

That's NJCK and myself standing on the sidewalk in the second picture. Really was a nice little impromptu event. The antis were totally throw for a loop. Really appreciated all the honks and thumbs up from passerby. One nice guy even pulled over and joined us for awhile. No I just wish all those honkers would come shoot and get involved.

Sense nor logic were never part of this discussion. It's NJ. Paraphrasing... "How do you write laws in NJ well?" " I think of a woman and I take away reason and accountability"

FYI... I am going to be outside Jon Runyans office this afternoon at three is anyone else would like to discuss this. I will not be wearing anything tinfoil... will you?

Space... your right. See I work for DHS at FEMA and we dont get anything right. Christ we would not organize a water ballon fight. Many people here have a hard time spelling CAT... and that is with the union spotting them the C and the T. It is a wonder we can process any paperwork, move billions of dollars or relief effort, supplies and materials without it all falling off into some giant hole. The liberal and concervative media has pegged only one thing right in the last twenty years and that is that the organizations that make up DHS suck so completely the world is going to split apart at the equator because of it. Sorry for your friend... it sure was a PIA at times I am sure. But I wonder.. of all the plots, bombers etc that were stopped by the list, if just by chance, would it not have been ironic if he had boarded one of the flights that were destined to come down? Or maybe you, me, your family, mine???? Is it perfect... nope. Is it an inconvenience, yep. Is flying a right or a privelege? We can go into a whole nother argument here.

67 days... about the same as PPS. SHTF Katrina style. Whats the question... am I going to shoot it out with guardsmen to stay in my house. NOPE and neither will you. Will I stay as long as possible and defend what is mine from criminals. Yep if I stayed already. See having been in NO right after Katrina I would never put my family through a scene like that ... EVER. So how do I plan to survive SHTF, by running away first of course.

What do you mean by SHTF? Total anarchy? Socialist takeover of the gov.... Zombies? Nukes? Or 10rd mag limits? Whats your definition? Never... nope. I said I am pretty sure I will not ever be on the list.... by that I am implying I will not give them a reason to put me on the list. I dont work to subvert the US government, I am not a terrorist nor am I a criminal. And protesting for and working to secure my rights are not going to get me on that list. If it does happen, you will be the first person I will let know.

Knock yourself out. Never investigated it much before these discussions. I am willing to bet it takes about as much time to complete as getting your PPPs in some towns. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/nsb/tsc/tsc_redress http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/newly-signed-government-wide-watchlisting-redress-mou http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-06-1031 http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_rpt_nofly.pdf

Been there as well and been mailing and talking to people. dont martyr yourself, it is unbecoming. Yep... our due process was thrown out the window in 2001. By someone mainy of you thought of as a great president and many people welcomed it. To keep our freedoms we had to let some go. Do I like it not one bit. Do I feel the need to accept it... yes I do. I am pretty sure I will not ever end up on that list and I hope nobody else does, that does not deserve it of course. It exists and it is succesful. I accept it. You accept what you want to, I bet there are many more things we dont agree on. And I know there was no trading offered... it was hypothetical.

I get it... the list is a PIA. And these things do happen... I know they do. I also know there is a way off the list and has been for about 7 years or more. And it is messy I know. But did you ever stop to think about how succesful it has been! I know of many plots, and a few started attempts foiled and hundreds of people not allowed to fly into the US because of it. And I dont know much of what else.... worth it?

I would trade 15rd limits for CCW in a heartbeat! I would carry a 1911 anyway.

Your right... maybe I should. I will write a blog about it... But until that happens I have better things to do like trying to figure out how to keep my 2a rights in this state. Like keeping the tinfoil from getting to tight, making sure that the uneducated get informed and that the politicians that think they lord over us are kicked out of office. Want to join me or do you want to bicker some more?

Please point your friends to post #15 above. Either they dont care enough to get themselves of the list or I call BS. Are the stopped and blocked from flying or delayed??/ BIG DIFFERENCE.

Yes, that I bet there is 1 in 10000 people on the TWL that is there by mistake. Either they have the same name as a know terrorist (Timothy MacVeigh????) or by erroneous inclusion. Yep... I can live with that. And there is an appeals process as I stated above. I wonder if there are 500000 names on that list? that would mean 50 people by error... 100 per million. 3250 per US population of 325 million. For some reason I am ok with this.

You would be stopped at airport would be the first thing. You would not pass a fed NICS either.

DHS Redress Inquiry Info

I agree that the TWL is a uncomfortable tool and I wish it did not exist.. sometimes. But it has worked.. yes there have been incidents where we think it has contained names of innocent civilians.. once again we dont know anything about it's workings and criteria. The one thing I always hear as an argument is the there are people that will add you because they dont like your politics or hobbies. It's smells of McCarthyism, I get that. But I can tell you there is no grand gov play to make terrorists out of US citizens without cause, it's just not happening. There are way to many patriots onboard. If your on that list, there is a reason and I bet 99.99% of the reasons are valid. But since we will never know... we can argue this till we are blue in the face. I am willing to trade that for 15rd mags.

Sweeney is a Pro 2A Dem... but he is not a rabid supporter. We are going to need his support to keep many of those bills down and out of the sentate deliberations. Get on his side.. work with him and lets not blast him. The writing is on the wall... training for PPPs or even FIDs is coming (although I remember having to take a safety course to get my FID 25 years ago... do they still do this?) and the terror watch list is a given. And stop freaking out over the watch list... if I am not on it because of the Google seaches I do weekly at my job (example: Wind patterns in the nations capital and Anthrax dispersal methods), then trust me your not on it for your "how to build an AR vid" search!

Kean trying to speak against the bills and mentioning the hearing last week. Speaker is working against him.

It is all about the kids! JAZZ HANDS!!!!

Combat... READ THE POSTS. DHS is NOT using these targets. Repeat, NOT using those targets.

THIS.... contact Garand Guy for a 7.62x51 Garand. cost is $1000 and no mags, same gun if not better because you can shoot any ammo through it.