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Yea I actually thought of that part after I posted. Luckily, I do know some 07 Manufactures. I spoke to one last night and he said he would have no problem building me a firearm non-NFA from the ground up on his receiver. Dont get me wrong, what I think you guys are doing is great and I hope these sell like hotcakes, I just like certain features and parts on my guns so it would save me a lot of money building one the way I like it rather than buying a stock gun and spending addtional money for the parts (Im also an engineer so I love tinkering and spec'ing shit out haha)

Interesting. So assembling it yourself is out. Having the parts shipped to a dealer in NJ and put together in he shop before being transferred would be out as well. But....if I had a gun builder or FFL in another state put together a gun in “firearm non-NFA” setup and had it sent to a FFL in NJ as exactly that, that would satisfy ATF regulations right? It would be checked in and checked out of the NJ FFL as a “firearm non-NFA”

Im thinking: SBA3 brace BCM VFG 11.5" barrel, Surefire Warcomp 10.7" SLR handguard

I am curious if there is something in NJ law that prevents firearms from changing classes as they are built/modified. When one buys a stripped lower in this state, its comes in as a lower/frame/other. Once its built into a rifle, its class obviously changes to "rifle" as well. If it didnt, the AWB rules wouldnt apply. The AWB only applies to handgun, rifles and shotguns, not lower receivers. If you take a "rifle" and cut the barrel down it can become an "SBR". If you take a pistol and put a stock on it, it also becomes an "SBR." By ATF regs, adding a VFG on a pistol changes its class to either "firearm" or "AOW" depending on overall length. https://johnpierceesq.com/can-you-add-a-vertical-fore-grip-to-an-ar-pistol/ So Im curious why a lower receiver doesnt change to a "firearm" if it is built up as one here in NJ. Are there additional NJ laws that makes some sort of exception for this particular case?

Yes but the flash hider wasnt pinned thus the length was measured just to the end of the actual barrel. Pin a muzzle device and now its considered part of the barrel and you measure to the end of that. If you notice in the other thread, Modern Materiel posted their version with a tape measure. The ~26.5" goes only to where the threads of the barrel would be, meanwhile the end of the muzzle device actually goes to 28"

Oh yes

Let’s have everyone keep the attitudes in check. If that’s what MM was told, then that’s what he was told. Maybe the officer misspoke. Maybe MM misheard. Maybe NJ is grasping at some weird law that may or may not be correct. We all have the contact info so we can find out more. Let’s not get in a pissing match with each other- we’re on the same side

Interesting. Either of you happen to know the answer to my original question- will an 11.5” pinned with a FH or brake be long enough to meet 26”? I figured a dealer, especially one in a free state may have had something come thru their shop. I’ve never handled one so I can’t be sure. Raw measurements of just the upper and lower with brace seem to meet it but I’m not sure.

Nvm. According to Modern Materiel, it looks like we can’t build our own. F*cking NJ

Shit really? That blows

How short of a barrel can we use to still get the 26” needed? Will a 11.5” barrel with a pinned FH/comp/brake get us there?

As long as you follow the rules laid out in the NJSP letter linked in the other thread. Cannot have a stock, must have a VFG, must be >26”

$1295

Woooohooooo!

Ahh ha. Thanks for that key piece of info. I did not know that

Law Tactical folding stock adapters work with the SB braces dont they? Hmmmmm

I need to double check my COE for my two ARs lower sitting at home. Also, PSA will absolutely make a killing on this. All they need to do it add a front grip to 12.5" their pistol packages that are always on sale

Dark Storm Industries. https://www.dark-storm.com/dsi/ds-15/ds-15-typhoon-rifles/dark-storm-ds-15-non-nfa-firearm-typhoon-5.56-black/

You can use it in any position

Its legal but there's a better and easier way to accomplish the same thing without disassembling the stock internals. Only $6 too https://www.opticsplanet.com/strike-industries-ar-stock-stop.html

From what I have seen, no. They will mill the slot for the RMR right where the current cut for the rear sight is now. Then they will mill a separate spot for the rear sight. Up to you if you want infront or behind. My vote would be behind

Jagerworks, Primary Machine, Agency Arms, ATEi, Cajun Gunworks, and Southwest Precision all do slide milling. Have the rear sight cut behind the optic. That way if you decide you dont like the optic, you can take it off and have the normal sight radius on the irons

What were you banned for in the 1st place? Ive always wondered but never asked.

I simultaneously love and hate clicking on your threads. Can’t wait to get out of this state and pick up some nice toys like this

Carbine 1 is around the corner. Anyone else here going?