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in Jan/Feb 2013 and into March a little, I was finding Federal Top Guns @ Dick's Sporting Goods in PA for $5.99/box. They usually had a mixture of 7, 7 1/2, and 8 with a heavy concentration of 8. Occasionally they had the pink shells, occasionally Red/White/Blue shells, sometimes just plain. I got about 5-10 cases @ $5.99/box (this is outstanding price for one of the best "cheap shot" ammos for your guns.. $6*4= $24 per 100 or simpy $60 for the case/box. ** AND THEN ** a few DSG employees were "honoring" the $5.99/box price on Remington Game Club boxes, we got about 6 cases of that (I think they "let" us take a case each , my father and I, 3 times) ... then I guess someone said, First off- the Remington is NOT $5.99 only the Federal- second off, we do not have *any more* $5.99 shells left, third off, you cannot keep buying cases at a time , 3 box max per person. We probably put away 15-20 cases of both Federal and Remington 7 1/2 and mostly 8 shot away. Unfortunately we blasted a bunch, because I myself had just got an 870 Tactical I spent a lot of time money and effort building up and my old man had his brand new Saiga 12. So we enjoyed the fruits of the cheap shots and tried to save as much as we could for the future. $60 a case is usually what I look for to buy, above it I'll pass but at $60 I will take a serious look.

As far as THIS particular thing, I am not sure how I feel. Probably couldn't make a decision without actually using it, which is unlikely. As far as optics on a shotgun- Adding an Aimpoint Micro to my combat shotguns absolutely changed them from awesome to really awesome. First it went on my M930SPX and it seriously was amazing. When I upgraded the stock ghost rings to full fiber optics, I put the Micro on my customized 870 because the 870 Tactical comes with "XS Sights Ghost Ring Rear and Big Dot Front" and those sights sort of suck. So the Micro is on that one, and again,, absolutely amazing. If I was wing shooting for bird hunting or clays/traps/skeets etc. I might not use an optic but otherwise, it really made a huge difference to me.

Jaws I am very happy but not at all surprised to hear that. Many many M930SPX owners are absolutely sold on their shotguns and wouldn't replace it for anything. For a long time I had an Aimpoint Micro on my SPX and it was amazing- simply the best. I wound up using the Aimpoint on something else when I installed the rear fiber optic sight to match the front. If you didn't know, you can get a set of (or a single) replacement sights for the LPA ghost ring sights .... They have Glock-style white dots, Tritium-vial night sights, or Fiber optic. Since it has a Fiber-optic red front, I went with green fiber optic rear. (The owner of the company who distributes them in the USA highly highly recommended AGAINST the night sights, told me i'd be wasting my money, useless in day, if I was going to do anything it would be the fiber optics etc.)

Funny that this thread popped up- I literally talked yesterday to somebody about my Saiga-12....I am moving to Florida, hopefully in a few days lol, if I ever pack, and I contacted someone previously about it. I found a pretty high-speed high-end gunsmith in the town I am moving to and had hit him up before with no response.... So I checked back in yesterday and he was pretty awesome. Basically said he had never come across this job before, not something people are coming to him with. But he'd love to give it a go because it'll be fun and he's sure he CAN do it. I figure, great, maybe I'll even get a first-time discount lol. Another humorous finding- I had been explaining to my father for about 1.5 years now how important the conversion of the Saiga is... and the stock and pistol grip would change the entire weapon. He could care less, "it's fine as it is, you just like to blow money." As I detailed earlier we came across that amazing deal on the brand-shiny-new $329 Benelli SuperNova Tactical pistol-grip. After firing that for a range-session, "OH YEAH, This pistol grip on the shotgun...... WAY WAY Better!!!!! " Now you understand why I would want the SAIGA 12 OF ALL THINGS, to be like that??" "You gotta get it done as soon as you get down there*. ". lol. Glad you see it my way now.

^^I am also right handed/left-eye dominant and I shoot a Glock 23 as my personal protection firearm. I also have trouble sometimes, I have to constantly work on my shooting, technique, control, etc. When I move in a week, hopefully I will get to give myself a moving present as soon as possible, and I am leaning towards a nice 1911 or a Sig P226 MK25 - both of which should be a lot better "shooters" than the G23. I will be very interested to see how quickly and by how much my accuracy improves.

The textbook answer to bipods is a brand called "Harris". They are like the Cadillac of bipods and make absolutely outstanding product. But they're on average $100 plus or minus $25 depending on model and/or sales-promotions. Usually the best and most prevalent option is that they attach to a sling swivel stud. i.e. under the forearm/forend of the rifle, the little stud that you wound attach a swivel to, to then attach a sling? You can mount the bipod to that and it's a nice fit. There are different sizes. 6"-9" is standard and often used for benchrest shooting and on military rifles. 9"-13" are often used for hunting/varmint rifles and when you're gonna be laying down out in the field. They go up from there to 25" and even much bigger. Now also bipods can mount to a picatinny rail. A few years back if you asked what the best bipod was, 95% of the time people would say Harris. I noticed in early 2013 that suddenly it was extremely "firearm fashionable" to have an Atlas bipod, which is a step up from Harris and they're about $300+. Sometimes like $279.99 and a $75 mounting piece is often needed. The people who have them rave about them but when I was talked down-to on here by someone who was showing off their Atlas like my Harris was junk I just laughed. I mean how high do you really need to go ? But they are nice, advanced pieces of kit. 2 budget solutions- Walmart used to have as standard firearms-aisle equipment a "Winchester" branded bipod, 9"-13" stud-mount. It went for $39.99 ... I have one on my Remington 597. It is faultless, does it's job very well and never a problem. HOWEVER, my $110 Harris S-BRM 6"-9" bipod on my custom Remington 700 is obviously a lot better, and clearly higher quality, *but that does not make the Winchester $40 a bad or faulty piece of equipment*. ---- Now Walmart has replaced the Winchester with a Blackhawk 9"-13" that apparently includes a swivel function (so if you were to "swivel" or "pan" to the right the rifle can swivel on the bipod mount a little bit, vica-versa) which is usually a much more expensive option/ugprade. I do not have one of those Blackhawks but on another forum I had a big conversation about them and the verdict was extremely impressive and favorable (from those that have them). Anyway I hope I helped, I am sure you will get a LOT of help from a lot of posters on this subject here.

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So my father and I recently took my younger sister to shoot for the first time. I say younger, shes just a hair under 30 so not a kid. My father is a retired police high ranking police commander who absolutely amazes me with his handgun shooting. He just shrugs his shoulders like, "No big deal, I had 35 years of mandatory practice?" but while I am pretty awesome with a combat shotgun and pretty handy with a rifle I can't compete against him with a handgun in the least. he suggested we give her a .38 revolver to shoot first. (I really wanted to start her with .22) --- She absolutely hated it. Almost did not want to shoot anymore. Didn't like it in the least. I was busy getting one of my .22LR rifles ready when he insisted she try a 9mm Glock, because it would be much easier, that was the claim. *STILL* did not like it at all, caught some slide bite and basically said, I'm done, I don't want to do this anymore. You could see she did not enjoy being there and doing this. I guess the combination of 'recoil" and muzzle climb, with the boom, for someone who wasn't prepared for it, just really bothered her. Was about to go wait in the car when I insisted she try my Remington 597- a scoped, bipod-rested semi-auto .22LR . I told her to trust me, it would be both easy and fun and if she didn't like it she could then leave. I wouldn't let her get hurt or upset nor would I steer her wrong. The .22lr changed everything. After a shot or two to realize there was not going to be any recoil or any serious BOOOOM, she was moving that rifle around, messing with the scope, trying to shoot out the #'s on the targets, and smiling like anything. Then it was, "Can I try those handguns again?" And very shortly after she was blasting away with the new Benelli 12 gauge. After that she wanted more of the .22 and was having accuracy contests with my father and they're both like, "You mind loading magazines??? We're trying to have some fun here. thanks! And hurry up!" the point of this was, crawl before you walk, walk before you run. Will everyone be like this? Absolutely not, I shot my first shots at the age of 6 *on that very same .38 Chief's special* she was using. And I absolutely loved it, never looked back, the boom just gets my blood pumping. For others, it can be a very scary and difficult experience. *but once they realize it can be both lots of fun and pain free/shock free*, you can just see the tension go away and the fun start flowing.

Just for the record- you can get a combination device from AAC called the Brakeout - it's a single chamber muzzle brake with 4 shorter-than-normal flash hider prongs. I have a custom Remington 700 that is based off the AAC-SD .308 model. I already have between $2500 and $3000 in it, and I have yet to buy the damned Brakeout but I want it. I had the money for it 10 times and it was out of stock almost all year last year. Whenever it comes in stock, I have something more pressing to drop $100 on or I simply can't spend it. But it's a pretty cool device. Probably not the absolute best recoil and climb reducing device nor the most flash hiding but pretty cool combo piece. Just FYIs

Thanks much for the read and reply! Started out with CCI Mini Mags 36 gr HPs. Not because I really wanted to, but to be 100% honest, because I had a bunch of magazines (As I mentioned, I have a 597, we got another, so *I* had a nice stash of mags, the new one only has the one it came with [i thought when I got mine it came with 2 but I can't remember] - so I let the old man and sister use mine) and they had all been pre-loaded with Mini Mags from some time ago (to be honest I don't know why lol?). So first Mini Mags, maybe 100 worth? Then the better part of a Federal Bulk Pack 525 36 gr HPs. As I said , not a single problem. Which is also how my own 597 functions- although there is a long story about it- when I bought it, it was my first long gun purchased. It basically would not function. Out of a 10 round magazine, more rounds than not wouldn't work. It literally wouldn't work. If a round did get fired, it was positive the second one wouldn't load or jam or FTF FTE FTL etc. I put it away in sad disgust, a month later bought a Savage Mark II GXP, a month after that a S&W M&P 15-22... and the 597 sat idle for almost a year. I finally decided, give it some TLC- so I bought the VQ Extractor and Hammer, a ProStaff 4-12x40mm, and paid a gunsmith *way more than he said it would be* to give it a TLC-babying and install the parts. Since that time I do not think I have had one single failure. And yes that 597 wears the Walmart Winchester 9-13" sling stud bipod (worth every dime of the $39.99). No bipod yet for the 597 HB- although I believe it will come. My old man *LOVES* to accessorize and hook up his vehicles, but refuses to on firearms. As a retired career cop, he is the type that his gun was simply a work tool, no more no less . I am a huge gun guy, collector, amateur armorer, etc. I figure whatever a firearm costs, *at least* that much will be spent extra on it lol. My 15-22 is like a $1500 gun lol. Him, not so much. BUT I learned this from an old Vietnam-era Navy SEAL Master Chief - "The best way to convince someone they're wrong is to let them have it their own way!" SO I believe after a day of shooting the 597 HB in his hands , and trying out my 597 with bipod, and seeing the difference/feeling the difference, maybe he will buck the funk up for a bipod lol. lastly about ammo- I am a Federal and CCI guy especially for .22LR. If the ammo situation was Pre 12/12 . all I would own would be 525 Bulk Packs by Federal and Mini Mags/Stingers/Blazer Bricks. But i have a pretty diverse ammo collection, the 597s *HATE REMINGTON* with a passion, simply cannot shoot Remington .22, and also no success really with Winchester. Fed and CCI, A+++.

Just wanted to share a few thoughts and experiences on my latest range trip- I believe I mentioned around Christmas the newest member of the portfolio (at that time) was a Remington 597 Heavy Barrel (combo) from Dick's Sporting Goods. If you do not know, the Remington 597 is a frequent DSG sales device and you can almost always get a nice olive drab green 597 w/ "Remington" 3-9x32mm scope for $200, and now you can get a really nice, black stock, 20" heavy barrel, scope combo for $250. I got a discount AND a sales price on it around Christmas. It was very very nice and the idea was it would share magazines with the 597 I already have ( a heavily modified and upgraded 597 etc.) I had bought the Volquartsen Exact Edge Extractor and Target Hammer with the rifle and installed them forthwith but time did not allow testing; likewise, I installed a brand new, latest-generation Nikon ProStaff Rimfire 4x32mm scope. We likewise hadn't been able to zero the scope before heading out to the range. So we were not only test firing and hoping to 'break in' the rifle, we were confirming function with the new parts (hammer and extractor) and trying to get the scope right. Fortunately, the rifle shot *LIKE A DREAM*. And I mean that literally, it was a superfun blast to shoot. In about 300-500 rounds, not a single malfunction in the least. The scope was about two inches to the right but otherwise dead on, we got it zeroed for 25 yds in about 4 minutes and then had a lot of fun. I had both the rifles main user (father) and new shooter (sister) with me and it brought both lots of fun and plenty of success, both of them were sharpshooting like rimfire range snipers. If anyone is in the market, I can highly highly recommend the Remington 597 - I have a regular "sporter" barrel which I love and this new Heavy Barrel is just a dream to shoot. Also, as I have a Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm on my 597, I purposely selected the ProStaff Rimfire 4x32mm so there would be no fuss nor messing around - look through the scope and shoot. And that was a GREAT scope - I think I paid $92 on sale before Christmas and boy was it a clear, sharp-shooting scope. Anyway- check out the 597 and 597 HB @ DSG if you need a .22LR rifle and always check out Nikon when you need optics. the Value for Dollar, Quality-to-Price Ratio is unsurpassed.

Well I took this baby out today... And hot diggity damn, she can shoot. I have to admit, I was a carefree happy kid when I was younger, most of my 20s were spent drunk and careless. Now into my 30s I am a worrier and a worst-case-scenario type of guy. So I was sure that the gun was going to misfire, malfunction, break, etc. AND I had read that while the ComfortTech recoil system/pad is a huge winner, the factory recoil "pad" on the SteadyGrip pistol-grip-stock was something terrible... well it wasn't so bad! I have to admit it was pain-fully fun! The gun cycles pretty smoothly, not a very "long action" pump, real nice, and a huge claw extractor throws those empty shells right out. Total winner, and for $329 almost brand new, I couldn't be happier.

hey no problem at all, I am very happy to have helped and for some reason it's a good feeling to see a great gun get picked up. The better or worse part is that I had mentioned to my father, when I read this, "Hey someone picked up that other Supernova we looked at on my tip/recommendation" and of course, naturally, he says, "Ya know, I was going to say, we should have just bought that one too, it was a great deal and good looking gun, and I was going to tell you, if you want to go take a ride back up there...... oh well...." LOL. Me and my bigass mouth! Anyway congrats hope you have a blast with it.

Hey I just want to say this, and I know some will say "Oh whatever" but I think a few will say "OHHH..." - Pardner Pump says H&R , and their parent company is New England Firearms, which parent company of THEM is indeed Freedom Group (Remington's present parent company). BUT- The Pardner Pump is made in China. Some might not care but I do. My own father was thinking about one of these because the price was low and he was convinced it was all he needed. I made sure he got a Saiga 12 and now a Benelli Supernova Tactical so I knew he would never find out how good or bad they were. *** MOST PEOPLE LOVE THEIR PARDNER PUMPS ... and I also understand budgets. I would buy a Mossberg Maverick 10 times out of 10 over the Padner (Basically a Remington 870 clone made by Norinco for the American public).

OK- just an add-on. Did some research, it's got the CL date stamp on the barrel, indicating that it was made at Benelli in Italy sometime in 2013. So it's barely a year old TOTAL, let alone the fact it was only in the store barely 3 weeks. I'm still feeling very good about this. I took some Remington cleaning/RemOil wipes to it today, I noticed it was full of outside dirt, so much to be expected I guess. But I cleaned the rails real well, continued cleaning with wipes etc. and then it seemed to stiffen up a bit when racking it. Any ideas about this from the other owners out there? NOTHING serious, just figured it would ImProve after cleaning, not seem to stiffen or not as smoothly cycle, maybe I am totally making that part up who knows.

I got a M930SPX in early Feb 2010... I was one of if not the first person on the forum here to have one . I got lucky , the story has been told a million times on here, but I was lucky to get it and I was very happy of course. It is probably my most indispensable firearm, I have never and I mean NEVER had a single problem with it. Even with the magazine extension having been changed to a +1 rather than a +3, it has never malfunctioned once. 100% reliability. After putting the LimbSaver on it , it became literally "a blast" to shoot, extremely easy to go to the range, load up a box of 15 , say Winchester SuperX 00 Buck 15-pks from Walmart, get the party started, then go through a 100-round Federal bulk pack for quick fun, and it eats them up like chicken chow mein. I just bought my second Benelli Supernova, sold the first one and bought another one today when I saw an amazing deal. They're great guns, can't say a word about Benelli bad. The M930SPX was quite literally *the hottest firearm on the market* in late 09 and early 2010. I remember *all of GlockTalk* was going NUTS for them, everyone wanted them, no one had them, people who got them were showing them off like they leased a new Corvette. When a manager at a Dick's Sporting Goods in PA offered me one, it was like hitting the lottery- the place was packed cause it was Super Bowl Sunday (morning) and people were all over, maybe 100 people + in the gun cage area. People literally first tried yelling "HOW COME YOU WENT INTO THE BACK AND BROUGHT THAT OUT FOR ** HIM ** ???" (the manager simply replied , "Cause he looks like he would appreciate it the most") then people literally offered me money to give them the opportunity to purchase it, went from $20 to $200 and I KNEW, when someone offered $200 to let them buy it, I was making the right decision buying it my own self. To this day, My Mossberg 930 SPX is what I use to defend me and my family. it usually does not leave my room, I bought an 870 for having fun or going to SHTF combat outside with, because if the time ever comes where I need to defend me and mine - the M930SPX is what I want in my hands if I'm making a last stand. I can't think of a better way to say how much I like it.

Hey thanks everybody! MrG I did check that site out, $12.95 is pretty cheap! If all goes as planned I will finally be moving to FL in a few weeks, then I can get the 30 rounders lol. ogfarmer, yeah it seems to be an awesome place, I would be buying handguns all the time there if I was in PA. I don't live very far, maybe 30 minutes away but a very nice drive amd jrfly, thank you i am very happy I am sure you are. I had bought a brand new Supernova SteadyGrip 24" black turkey gun w/ the red fiber-optic sight back on St. Patrick's Day 2010, it was like a $650 gun that I got a series of discounts and closeout-pricing on down to $319, I think I paid less than $350 out the door with a soft case, cleaning kit, box of shells, etc. I LOVED it but I really wanted the tactical version, I just assumed I could "tactical up" this one. BUT the 18,5" Ghost Ring Sight barrel (with the front post sight) was like $479, plus I'd need to put a pic rail on the receiver, buy the rear ghost ring sight, etc Just didn't make sense. This is the one I've wanted for a while. Right now this means I have a M930SPX, Remington 870 Tactical/Magpul/Police, Saiga 12 and now a Benelli SNT! wooohoo!

So I went out on this beautiful Saturday afternoon with my old man for a trip to Tanners in PA... we were primarily looking for ammo and magazines . Did not go out looking to buy any firearms (although I have said this many times, and this is true for many people I'm sure, but if I could buy *handguns* over the counter like a long gun I probably would have bought at least 3 or 4 at Tanners, they had both SA 1911 TRP *and* a 9mm RO, Sig P226 MK25, Walther PPK/S .22LR, etc)... ..While looking for some magazines for a our Remington 597s (they have suddenly dried up *everywhere* it seems) the gentleman asked if I needed help, and I had just noticed a set of like 6 Benelli pump shotguns. 4 of the 6 were Nova Tacticals, 3 new Nova Tacticals and 1 used Nova Tactical. I said, so wait, no SuperNova Tacticals (I have wanted one for years, the 2 or 3 times i have come across them I didnt have the cash, the other times I have cash I could only find a NOVA Tactical, not a Super Nova). So I had wanted to show my father the SuperNova Tactical, as he wants a pump to backup his Saiga-12 , and the guy says... oh wait, we have two new Supernova's here... $329 and $269... as I heard that I made an immediate reactive move towards my wallet, instantly throw it down and as quick as I could instictively say, "I'LL TAKE THEM BOTH!" he says, "oh... they're used." . LOL. I thought it was a pricing error lol! Then as I am putting away my wallet the gentleman says, "Oh wait. I remember this one. We got this a few weeks back. Guy had bought it brand new and now needed instant cash. It's nearly brand new, not even been fired..." and I sort of exchanged cautious glances with my Dad, I said, "Can I take a closer look?" And sure enough, it looked pristine. And I realized I had my Streamlight LED penlight with me, I figured I'd take a closer look... and it was PERFECT. If it was fired before it was not many times, and it was then absolutely scrubbed clean because this was pristine. Shining. It looked fresh-out-of-the-box-new. And it actually even had hand-written on the back of a price-tag hanging on it, something like, 'bought 2/24" or something like that. So it hadn't even been in the store 3 weeks yet. We could not find a reason or way to pass it up. It's the pistol-grip SuperNova Tactical, Ghost Ring Sight model. Unfired, pristine new but "used", $329. Which is basically $200 less than new retail. They also had an excellent looking $269 ComfortTech Ghost ring tactical model, which admittedly MIGHT have been what I would have taken if I was ordering a brand new one, but it was VERY VERY GOOD condition but it was fired before, this $329 was basically out-of-the-box new perfect. Hard to pass up. So I will attach a few pics, I am pretty excited as a Benelli SNT has been on my list (I collect shotguns like richer folks collect ARs) for a long time, pretty satisfying. I've never bought a used gun before despite having bought a pretty decent collection, but this was just too good to pass up. And if *ANYONE* is Shotgun-hunting, I recommend you Immediately go to Tanners and pick up the $269 Benelli Supernova Tactical #20155 used gun they have there, and then owe me one, it's a great looking deal right there.

Here are a few pics of my baby MCS T5A DBM AACSD http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/809/mjug.jpg http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/33/tbay.jpg http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/600/tlq6.jpg

Manners Composite Stocks are the best of The Best of THE BEST. I have nothing but respect for the above poster but that is akin to comparing a Hummer H-1A to a Nissan Pathfinder .. Boyd makes nice, good stocks just as a Pathfinder is a nice, good looking, popular SUV. But it is not even in the same level playing field as a Hummer. I have a MCS T5A DBM which I LOVE! CANNOT stress how happy and lucky I am to have it, but it is not the Elite Hunter model lineup. I wanted a tactical and probably thumb hole stock as I was wanting a build of a civilian "sniper rifle" ... and I hit a brand grand slam with it, ... the elite hunters are so nice I may use one for a hunting rifle build. I have a Remington 700 AACSD 308 as my base rifle, 20" heavy bbl. They make a special edition 16.5" bbl AACSD 308 I am pondering as a hunting rifle and property-carry rifle when I finally get to move to the 30 acres we bought in FL... would make an awesome rifle ... 700 AACSD 308 16.5 HB in a MCS ELITE HUNTER with a Trijicon AccuPoint or maybe a Leupold 1-6.. Any way you would be wise wise wise to continue your research and planning on the Manners, they are the best. b est .

I am in the position of choosing (with the cash to spend) a Benelli Supernova Tactical (I have wanted for coming up on 4 years) or Mossberg 590A1 SPX ( both to add to my shotgun collection and have some extra cash to hold or spend). Maybe a $1000+ optic for my sniper rifle. Or even something crazy. I might even buy an ACOG 3x30 7.62x39mm for a future , FL-purchased 7.62x39mm combat rifle (VEPR, SIG 556R, etc.) or an AccuPoint 2.5-10x56 for a .308 battle rifle in the future. decisions decisions!!!!!

Hey bud, Listen I did not want to get into too much details for both the fact a few people on here get extremely upset at my posts when it's more than they're comfortable reading, but really more important to me, Operational Security (can never be too careful! ) ... we are doing something a little bit similar but much more substantial. We are not going to have a basement because at least in that area of Florida you don't generally do basements if you have any desire for security and structurial stability / sustainability. We are going to have a very Very *VERY* strong house structurally ... and the "gun room" is going to be *extremely secure* . The door is going to cost close to five figures lol. And the plan is very similar to what you said. Safes aren't all that necessary when you'd literally need a tank or a huge farm-sized John Deer excavator to get in lol. They can hang on the wall, perps just can't get at them lol.

Oh look. the guy who said I was wrong wasn't right. But me who was supposed to be wrong in fact was right. It's almost the same, except different. Thanks very much for the link og!

I have seen these a bunch of times. Kind of along the lines of "locking closets" rather than safes. We are building a house in FL and while I am not going to say it's impregnable because...as Bronn from Game of Thrones pointed out, "Give [him/me/etc.] 10 good hard men and some climbing spikes, and I'll impregnate the b!!!h!" ... but we are going full on concrete building with foam and rebar etc. One room is going to be even more impregnable than the others and while big cool expensive safes are one thing, I for one prefer to have 10 awesome rifles and shotguns of varying configurations, with a bunch of great optics, and sizeable ammo stores... in my decent house in room with decent security systems and a decent lockable facility.... than a Rambo Gambo super de dooper alley ooper safe that I ain't got shiza to put in there because I couldn't afford nice rifles due to the fact I blew that dinero on the safe(s). Your Mileage May Vary, of course.... I just state: Pick and choose your battles, do you planning wisely.

Yeah man I saw it but when I further thought about it, I had to decline for a few reasons. I have ProStaff 4-12x40mm's on my two "sporter" .22LRs. One on my Savage Mark II (with a BDC reticle) one on my own 597 with Nikoplex reticle. Both are great scopes on amazing rifles with super amazing values-for-dollar all around. For either of those, I don't see the need to "upgrade" to the Buckmasters... not even @ $229 for the Nikoplex but DEFINITELY not a Mil-dot $$315. I have a Monarch 5-20x44 on my 700... top of the line Nikon scope. Now the Buckmasters line of scopes are awesome hunting (and shooting in general) riflescopes which would make for a great upgrade for many people (on here and elsewhere in the world). For me I'd be downgrading my 700. And while I love the idea of putting awesome, super-ugpraded scopes on my Dad's new 597, a Mil-dot .22LR is just silly. He doesn't know how to use a Mil-dot and could not care less. Nor would we really NEED The optical quality of that scope. I'd love to put it on and should have just done it when I could BUT- THAT IS HOW OPTIC DEALS go... you need to just always buy asap BUY. BUY ONCE CRY ONCE is rifle optical mantra... truer word has never been spoken. If you do indeed go for the Mildot I would love to get some in-depth photos and use videos/reports/technical explanations. Thanks brother good luck and today, Merry Christmas.