Bob B

The new NJ2AS guidance is to call or email all three of your representatives one at a time. Ask each one to intervene. When one agrees to call the Chief on your behalf, call the other two representatives to keep them informed. If everyone does this, it will build a "memory" of problems with the legislature and they will be more likely to vote yes for a bill correcting the problem if and when it comes up for a vote. It may also help us get sponsors and co-sponsors for new bills. You are lucky - you are in District 16, so your legislators are all republicans. Senator Christopher Bateman 36 East Main St., Somerville, NJ 08876 Phone: (908) 526-3600 Assemblyman Jack M. Ciattarelli 1 East High St., Somerville, NJ 08876 Phone: (908) 252-0800 Assemblywoman Denise M. Coyle 100 Market Place, 25 Mountainview Blvd., Suite 208, Basking Ridge, NJ 07920 Phone: (908) 604-2372

It does exempt you from OGAM though.

Great holster. You get 10% off if you use discount code NRA and then put your membership number in the comments block.

No - pocket.

Good article. It confirms my thinking about tip up vs. tip down. That's part of what I was looking for - a technique for removing and opening a tip down knife. Your method makes sense. I tried it and it works, although for me, tip up brings the knife out in the palm of my hand with my thumb on the thumb stud. Tip down, using your method, I have to adjust my grip after pulling it out.

I've come to prefer knives that have a pocket clip that puts the knife in a tip up position. I find it much easier to open with one hand, which is a big benefit because it lets you keep using your non-dominant hand. But, I've also noticed that most folding knives that have pocket clips are tip down, or so it seems to me. Anyone else notice this? I was looking for a nice custom folding knife and I'm having a heck of a time finding one that is tip up. Seems like anything that has a handle made of something nice, it's tip down. ...or is there a trick to opening a tip down knife with one hand without having to flip it around in your hand.

Just because I know the difference doesn't mean my fingers will type what they should.

It's Bob. Agreed about the approach.

Permit to carry allows you to possess a handgun outside of the exemptions. No specification of open or concealed is given.

Great link, Nick. From there, I followed another link to the All American Toy Company. http://www.allamericantoyco.com/whatnew.php Very expensive, but I would rather buy one great toy than keep filling bins with junk toys that they'll only play with for five minutes.

Well, with Christmas right around the corner, I'm sure their are many like me that would really like something cool for the kids that is made in America. Anyone have any ideas?

It has already been done. Muller v. Maenza. Brought by Six plaintiffs (now five because one got his permit after the third appeal - the guy who was kidnapped), the Second Amendment Foundation and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs. The six plaintiffs all applied for permits and were denied - at least one was post-McDonald. There's a thread on here somewhere about it. Dave Jensen is the attorney right now. He will be speaking at the next NJ2AS meeting. Presumably, Alan Gura will step in when it gets to SCOTUS. Alan is speaking at the Feb NJ2AS meeting. You can check our website for the dates and locations. At the meetings you will be able to ask them questions.

Nice buck, Paul.

We have concluded with the few remaining details that we had to address and can now announce that we will appeal the decision.

Sorry it has taken so long, but it has been a long day and I am only, just now, sitting in front of my computer. I have added the third certification and our response to the OP. Today, in the court room, the judge sat down and immediately started talking about the OPRA portion of the case. Frank and I immediately took this as a bad sign, because if he intended to give us the guide under common law, he would have no need to address the OPRA issue at all. In about a minute and a half, Judge Hurd concluded that the guide is, in fact, an SOP and the rule (Executive Order 47) declaring all SOP's in the Division of Law and Public Safety exempt from OPRA as "stretching the limit" but valid. Keep in mind that he heard no oral arguments on the issue whatsoever as he avoided it from the beginning. He then allowed both sides to speak about the common law portion, but it was clear what his intentions were. After 30 minutes or so, he concluded that the third certification was sufficient and convinced him that releasing the guide would cause harm - even though the defense provided no evidence whatsoever, as required by law, that it would. He then concluded that the need for the state to keep the guide a secret outweighed our need to see it, a test that is only required if the guide would cause harm. Although we were very disappointed in the verdict (if you read the third certification you'll understand why - it's garbage) we were extremely happy that the judge concluded that the guide is an SOP. This was far more important than actually seeing the guide. One of the primary objectives of this case was to get the state to commit to a definition of the guide prior to challenging a municipality on additional requirements. That has now been accomplished. Although it does not make anything a slam dunk (as if that was possible in NJ), it does help us. So, there you have it. I'm sure you are wondering if we are going to appeal. That announcement will be made shortly.

The NJSP submitted their third certification. I will post it as soon as I get a chance, along with our response. Basically, the third certification is as vague and "conclusory" as the others, with the exception that it has an odd paragraph that lists the things that would create harm if released and then says that the guide contains none of them (very puzzling). So we think that the third certification works in our favor. We have another court appearance tomorrow, Dec 2, at 11:30 AM. We are hoping for a decision, but, as we have found out, these things cannot be accurately predicted.

Message sent to Senator Casey. Thank you.

That's a beautie!

Thanks Maks! As usual, you are a gentleman.

Really? That I did not know.

Wow. Didn't expect such a positive response so quickly. Let's see what Maks has to say. Hopefully he'll chime in soon.

I had an idea for a board in the “In the Community” section titled “Made in America”. The idea is that if someone is looking for a product, they can start a thread and people can respond with suggestions about where you can get one that is made in America, who the manufacturer is, what the quality is, price, personal experience, etc. For example, someone might be interested in an ATV. Which ones are made in America and how do they compare with their foreign made counterparts? There are sure to be a few people on the board with some helpful knowledge. Also, if someone comes across something good that is made in America that hasn't been posted yet, they could go ahead and start a thread. The most interesting items could be made into stickies. I came up with the idea after I bought something for my son today for xmas. I walked away thinking, dang I wish I knew where to get something like this that is made in America. I know it won't be easy, because it seems that everything is imported these days, but over time, we would probably have a decent list. What do you think? Maks, if this strays too far from the purpose of NJGF, I'll understand.

Please don't apologize. How in the world could anyone keep all of this straight. It's impossible.

I would say "We hope to have an answer at the December 3rd meeting in Toms River." Why? Because, again, at the last minute, the judge called for another conference call. On the call, Mr. Rizzo (Deputy Attorney General) asked for another extension to complete the third certification. We objected, pointing out that six months and two certifications is obviously enough and the reason that it is so difficult to provide proof of harm is because releasing the guide would not cause any harm. The judge, while at lease acknowledging this time that we may be correct, overruled our objection, but only gave Mr. Rizzo until December 2nd, and "that's it." In all likelihood, we will want to respond to the certification, so it will likely take a bit longer.

It's not the guns they will be looking for, it's the HP's and the mags over 15 rounds.