Shane45

Looks like he got precut foam. You just pull the blocks out to desired shape.

Worth it is relative to how often and how many different disciplines you shoot. If you shoot bow, skeet/trap, pistol and rifle and hunt it is definitely worth it. I dont know where else you can do all that in one place. The yearly fees have climbed over the years but from what I understand, if you get involved a bit more than I have, you can get a fair amount of credits to diminish the yearly fee.

Alright you wheel gunner die hards. One thing you cant argue.. Capacity :twisted:

Revolvers can have malfs just as easily IMO. In fact I have had more outright mechanical malfs with revolvers than auto's! The fireing pin on my Colt Python pierced and stuck in the primer. Because it couldnt retract, it couldnt cycle. My shooting partners Ruger GP100 had a failure when the hammer block got jammed up and stoped it from being able to cycle. Although the Jerry M's of the world can do amazing reloads, average shooter vs average shooter, auto wins. In regards to springs I read a first hand account of an old vet that found loaded 1911 mags he stuffed away more years ago than many of us have lived. They all functioned! If it concerns you. Swap em out every even calender year. Cheap insurance.

I had the USPC 40. Loved how well it was built. Hated the pistol. High bore axis in 40 made it very whippy. Seriously uncomfortable in the area of the top portion of the back strap. My biggest problem though was Im a 1911 shooter and I unintentionally decocked that thing like no tomorrow! Its long gone.

Go pic rail. That way if you upgrade your scope down the road you just change out the rings. Budget but decent quality, take a look at EGW. http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?mai ... d21230d9aa

Thanks for the info! Pretty much removed all intreest in that club!

Pizza Bob gave a more complete answer than I regarding weight and stability. What I meant was that weight doesnt cause one round to be stable and another to be unstable. Length and weight are key determining elemants on what twist rate it takes to stabalise the projo. Here is the answer I got from an honest to goodness actual Ballisticiana few years back: Shane, Both the bullets weight and length are important factors in stability. Since they usually go hand in hand, the distinction isn't obvious, but they're both important. A long light bullet is the worst case scenario and requires the fastest twist. A short heavy bullet doesn't need much spin at all. If you're interested in a program that calculates bullet stability, send me an email and I'll reply with the program attached. Take care, -Bryan

Anything can be made bad. Anything can be made good. It depends who's doing the making. In my opinion MIM has a greater potential to be made bad because its a budget part to begin with. However some manufacturers do great at making parts in a budget minded way. For example I will take a Caspian cast 1911 frame over many other makers "forged" frame. Why, because Caspian's caster has the process down pat and uses techniques that one could argue produce a stonger frame by controling its grain structure. I have read and chatted with Bill Caldwell at length on this subject. Id rather have a SAI M1A reciever over a Norinco even though the SAI is cast vs the Norinco that is "Forged". But Id take a LRB reciever over both a SAI or Norinco because its is forged RIGHT!!! MIM is to much of a crap shoot for me. I sinply will not invest 100's of hours in a pistol only to save 10 bucks on a part. I wont save 10 bucks on a part when the chances are greater it could fail me.

One comment. Bullet weight has pretty much nothing to do with stability.

Ray Ray, my image of you is shattered! I officially request to be re-squaded on the zombie elimination team!

I love it because its the flying middle finger in the air to everything PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jOn, I cant say 100% that Im right BUT I havent seen a pair even on ambi guns that had the ball cuts all the way through like yours. A search of a few online pics and they were not all the way through either.

For me, if they make something or not isnt really the issue. The fact this got passed on something that doesnt exist is. The fact the state wants to decide the tech is good enough for me but not good enough for LE is. That right there is what causes me the greatest concern because it indicates their mentality that a flawed solution is good enough to be forced down the necks of the civilian population.

True!

Anything can break. I just believe in limiting that in parts with a higher probability when possible. Eliminating MIM parts is part of just about every smiths reliability package. It just wasnt designed to be built with squirt and jerk parts imo. Put it this way, I just ordered all the little parts for a build Im finishing up. If I back out some mags and the barrel, the bill is still over $500! Shane

I admit, Im a degenorate! I love movies like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHleSWRw ... re=related I know Ray, Ray's in!

Replace any MIM parts. Been a while since I looked at a list of whats MIM on a springer but I bet you can find one quickly if your search fu is strong.

Welcome. Like the springer. But you need to send them grips back. The manufacturere missed these in QC. They ran the ball mill to far in the top left corner. They are not supposed to break through like that.

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I finally heard back from the attourney's office. Basically the response is identical to what we theorised here. No precidence. No way to know how a jury would decide. No guaruntee the AG would even answer the question. No way to know if the officer that sees it will lock you up or not. They will however render a review and a legal opinion for a very modest fee. Im just not sure the opinion is worth it to pursue since it doesnt provide any assurance or protection in any way. If you guys want a legal opinion on all the firearms we have questions about they will do it for $500. We can provide a list of up to 25 firearms. It would need to include pics etc etc which I am sure we can provide. Is it worth doing? Shane

...if someone dies or quits and you get to join :shock:

Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift (yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches) 0 2600 2522 -1.50 0.0000 0.00 100 2407 2161 -0.00 0.1199 0.00 200 2222 1842 -4.51 0.2496 0.00 300 2046 1561 -16.08 0.3903 0.00 400 1877 1314 -35.98 0.5434 0.00 500 1715 1097 -65.77 0.7106 0.00 600 1560 908 -107.41 0.8940 0.00 700 1411 743 -163.40 1.0962 0.00 800 1270 602 -236.91 1.3203 0.00 900 1140 484 -332.06 1.5698 0.00 TRANSONIC. Accuracy just died right there 1000 1053 413 -453.96 1.8453 0.00 Add 175 fps @ the muzzle: Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift (yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches) 0 2775 2872 -1.50 0.0000 0.00 100 2575 2473 -0.00 0.1122 0.00 200 2383 2117 -3.75 0.2334 0.00 300 2199 1804 -13.65 0.3644 0.00 400 2023 1527 -30.74 0.5066 0.00 500 1856 1285 -56.35 0.6614 0.00 600 1695 1071 -92.08 0.8306 0.00 700 1541 885 -139.95 1.0162 0.00 800 1393 724 -202.53 1.2210 0.00 900 1253 585 -283.11 1.4482 0.00 1000 1124 471 -385.94 1.7013 0.00 You made it(roughly. All variables not calculated)

Im not sure of this test in particuler but I would think system doesnt matter if there is enough water in the barrel to cause a barrel blockage type failure. Now the real diff between a DI and a piston gun is that water can cause a gas tube rupture in the DI gun. Since there is no tube in a piston gun, no tube to rupture.

Length is a lengthy subject. It has little to do with outright accuracy. In fact current thinking is that shorter stiffer barrels have an advantage. All are trending to 20" barrels including the military. I know several people shooting 20" 308's to 1000.(with the right load). The measured velocity difference is suprisingly small in many rifles. I prefer the handiness and better transitioning qualities of a shorter rifle. Now on a 1 way range to punch paper I wouldnt pass up a deal on a 26" PSS. But if its even money and availability, Id go with an LTR. Where accuracy is affected is a very narrow segment of the trajectory. Id have to do the math to figure out exactly how many yards that is but its small. Say for example your trying to hit a target at 1000 with 168Grn FGGM in X Humidity at x elavation above sea level. At 980 Yds your going transonic so your accuracy blows up at 980. If the diff in an 18" barrel and a 26 inch barrel is 150Fps in that rifle, is that enough to move the transonic tipping point past 1000? If yes then barrel length mattered for accuracy. If it only moved it to 990, then it made no difference. Disclaimer--- Im no LR Guru. YMMV