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Wasn't talking about you. I guess my comment went right over your head.

We here are limited by our state laws. People elsewhere are limited only by their creativity (and wallets) [attachment=1]img0769r.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=2]img0774hh.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=0]SGL31_Lam_SLR107_Lam.JPG.jpeg[/attachment]

Thanks Yeah, they are as close as it gets though. Some of them even have the Y stamp and magazine well dimples for authentic looks as well. There is a guy on Saiga-12 forums who did a full-on AK-100 restoration, including mimicking marks, faux selector marks, and chasing down some really rare russian parts, it was a very impressive project. The gas blocks are 90 degree ones, you could use a 45 degree gas block as well though as the .223/x39/5.45 barrels all have the AKM barrel outside diameter. The 308 has a larger OD barrel and takes proprietary front sight and gas blocks. The front sight blocks are positioned farther back from the muzzle for the 24mm threaded sight blocks on 74 series rifles but you could replace them older AKM series sight blocks closer to the muzzle. One thing that is a pain is that the FSBs are not pinned on for the new models, but pressed on with a dimple so to remove them you have to cut the front sight block off with a dremel. They have no handguard retainers from the factory (the standard Saiga one screws into the receiver at the rear and has a track that hooks the front to the gas block pin, very sturdy. And it's made out of some god awful fiberglass monstrosity that takes a good beating and is a mess to cut, which is a really good handguard IMO) But you could shortcut with a bolt on, or remove the blocks and put a real one on. And yeah, gas tube is the same length. AK74/100 gas tubes click right in, AKM tubes will fit after grinding the rear locking ramp of the tube a little (the angle of the Saiga/74/100 tubes is not as steep as the AKM ones)

Why would we organize and do something about it? That takes work. Bitching about it on the internet is easy! You'd think the gun clubs would at least try and get their thousands of members to sign a petition or have an event or something.

We live in the days of instant communication. Anything besides a NICS and some forms at purchase time is entirely outdated. You go through NJ's massive process, only to go purchase a gun, and have the dealer call the same place that issued the permit for a background check. Think about it for a second - how pointless does that make the permit system if there's a background check at purchase time anyway? These processes are cloudy, costly, and inefficient on purpose. They are intentionally left outdated and inefficient to slow down permit processes and reduce the number of guns owned by law abiding citizens. The entire system has been out of date for decades now.

The Saiga rifles are not built off of Romanian AK receivers. They are built off of genuine Izhmash (the original factory) AK-100 series parts (most parts are backwards compatible with 74 series parts as well). Once the three rivets on the bottom and two pins on the size are ground/punched out you are now holding a Saiga that can be configured in anything from a ban state platform all the way up to a full AK-100 restoration. Yes they use a crappy linkage trigger and Monte Carlo stock thanks to Bill Clinton's import treaty with Russia. The Saigas accept standard AK stamped buttstocks and pistol grips for rear furniture. For front furniture, there are a number of Saiga specific options as well as being able to swap out the gas tube, gas block/sight block, handguard retainer and go with standard AK stamped handguards, or use an AK gas tube and take a shortcut with a bolt on retainer.

im in woodbridge. where do u shoot? I take 78 about and hour away out to PA, there are a couple clubs in Lehigh Valley (Easton/Bethlehem/Allentown) Steel City Gun Club, Easton Fish & Game Assoc., Lehigh Valley Sporting Clay, The Firing Line, Hellertown Sportsmen's Association, also in Bucks County (same distance) is Wicen's, Target World, etc.

Yeah, an ex-VASP car has lots of authority in a different state 5 hours away right? :roll:

Another way for the state to make $$$$$$$$ It's ok though, some of the armored car companies pretend to SORA that they are transportation employees carrying a gun for personal protection, and thus do not need a SORA. Then they turn around and tell DOT that the armed guys are security guards, not transportation employees, and do not need a DOT card. So the unarmed guy driving the truck has a DOT card and can drive but not guard, and the guy guarding the money doesn't have a SORA or a DOT so he can't drive. It's pretty funny when the driver falls ill or something and they have to send people out to finish the route/drive the truck home. If only the right hand was talking to the left hand SORA still makes the state money off the Wackenhutt/Metro One/Securitas guys though. Last I heard about the SORA, most of the test was CPR, how to file police reports, talk to police, etc.

Aw damn, yeah I'm kinda far, I'm up by Elizabeth.

the 7.62x39 round is really light to me.. i really don't feel the need for a brake.. pretty easy to stay on target.. if the gun was FA I would put a slant brake on it.. but as stated.. in semi.. I just don't see the need.. so it will likely stay as is.. You should definitely check out a genuine Bulgarian AK-74 24mm threaded brake (not a piece of shit TAPCO imitation) they thread onto an AK-74 sight block. You can weld the brake to the block for Nj compliance and then simply swap out the factory FSB for the Bulgarian AK-74 + welded brake one. The reduction in recoil is amazing. I understand these rounds are relatively tame already, but the difference in recoil really has to be experienced to really see how much it tones things down. I did the aforementioned mod on my 5.45 and it literally turned into a loud .22lr. I'm about to put the same brake on my 7.62 as well and expecting a good drop as well. You really should check it out. I don't know where you live or where you shoot but if you ever have a range day I want you to try my two rifles, have a feeling you'll like the brake a lot!

No, a .223 marked Saiga will cycle 5.56 ammo just fine. This may be true for other guns, but it is not the case with Saigas. That said, he should get a 7.62x39 anyway. .223 out of a barrel under 20" loses a lot of juice, not to mention you'd need to stock a new, more expensive caliber.

The Saigas are labeled .223 but run 5.56x45 ammo fine. I am personally not a fan of .223/5.56 AKs, I'd say go with 5.45 or 7.62x39.

I like it a LOT better to! 10.6lbs with everything fully loaded with 30 rounds of wolf.. (this is TWO 15rd magazines clamped together Awesome, thanks. Not too heavy at all. No way??? Really?

Nice optic, I like it a lot better than the previous setup. How much does that all come out to loaded? This one is 9.5lbs loaded [attachment=1]545_2.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=2]545_1.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=0]545_3.jpg[/attachment]

The AWB is working exactly as intended. It keeps standard capacity magazines and ergonomic features out of the hands of common, law abiding folks in various states. AWB was never intended to stop crime - it's only sold to the fools as having that effect.

No problem. Unfortunately no trigger upgrades for a fanctory configured model The triggers are too far rearward on a factory configured gun for normal trigger groups like the G2 to work. They are "squishy" due to the proprietary linkage system. However while the trigger isn't as good as the more common Mossbergs/Remingtons it's "OK" and isn't too bad once you get used to it. It's a shame we can't convert these things in NJ because the G2 trigger groups are fantastic.

Save yourself the money and don't get a muzzle brake for the Saiga 12. Shotguns just don't have the pressure at the muzzle that rifles do for them to be effective, especially not on the Saigas. Some of the reputable manufacturers, such as Tromix and SGM, have said flat out that they provide no noticeable benefit at all. And these are guys who make their living selling this stuff, not just internet hearsay. The only brakes that actually work on a Saiga-12 are the mid-barrel compensators, which require a good deal of work to install (need multiple openings milled/drilled into the barrel) and cost quite a bit of money. Unless you just want to make it look cool, if you want a functional muzzle device on your Saiga-12 get yourself a Poly Choke for it, which allows you to select from several different settings by simple turn of the dial. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com ... ted/Detail There are also various adapters to allow it take Remington, Winchester, or Mossberg chokes as well to share with your other shotguns. And of course there are also the Russian brand choke tubes made for this gun as well. Also, a word of advice when buying a Saiga-12, they are excellent guns but Izhmash has poor QC on them and accidentally mixes barrels meant for military guns onto the line with sporting models, or poorly aligns the gas block and/or ports. If your gun does not have the proper amount and right size gas ports, it will not cycle the bulk pack ammo reliably, or at all. Bring a dental pick and a small flashlight with you to the gun shop. Unscrew the gas selector at the front of the gun, and then remove the small cylindrical gas puck as well. You should be able to probe at least 3, or possibly 4, gas ports with a dental pick. If the shop will not let you check the ports I would advise not purchasing the gun from them. If you end up buying a gun with 2 or fewer ports, or a misaligned gas block, or improperly sized ports (ie the dental pick wont poke through them) your gun is not going to reliably cycle the bulk pack stuff. You'll have to either remove the gas block yourself and re-drill the ports, or send it back for warranty which can take several weeks. Unless you don't care about shooting cheap target loads and will just be shooting expensive buck/slug loads with it, then the ports will matter little to you. Also, make sure you use the gas selector properly. Setting 1 is for buckshot, slugs, and magnums. If the gun doesn't cycle birdshot on setting 1, then set it to setting 2 when shooting birdshot. DO NOT run buck/slugs or magnums or 3" on Setting 2, you will over-gas the gun, which causes the bolt carrier to literally beat itself to death by recoiling too far back and slamming into the back of the receiver. Bad stuff, too much of that will kill your shotgun and replacement bolts/carriers are nearly impossible to come by. You should definitely check these guns out, they are lots of fun. You will be amazed how fast you can burn through 100 round target packs with these things You should see something like this inside the gas block: [attachment=0]saiga_gas_port_after_mod.jpg[/attachment]

Only type, ie Handgun or Long Gun. The NICS check also does not necessarily represent that the transaction took place. Thanks for the info. Yeah, not necessarily, but I'd say 9/10 background check approvals are followed by a gun purchase.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks they own a gun in NJ and aren't on "a list" is a bit naive IMO. What if you bought them out of state and then moved to NJ? Not that anybody would make such a stupid decision on where to live if they enjoyed or needed firearms. Those people would be the exception, of course. People moving here, or possibly people who live here and purchase long guns out of state. I have often wondered (and I hate to sound all tin foil) but I know that the Federal NICS is required by law to destroy all information after X hours. I have a hard time believing that NJ's state-run background check system would actually delete information of transactions. At the very least, it's a record of names, addresses, and dates that those people bought a gun (ie Joe Schmoe bought a long gun on 3/10 and 1/7 so we know he owns 2 long guns) and I'm pretty sure when I last bought a gun at Dick's I saw the guy filling out a form with make/model/caliber/serial (also on the 4473). The form was a crappy photocopy and not a 4473 or NJ COE. I would not doubt for a second if NJ has a de-facto long gun registry in addition to the handgun registry. When a dealer calls in a NICS in NJ, aside from name/height/weight/driver's license number/features/etc do they also have to give away any info on the gun itself being purchased?

Exactly. Anyone who thinks they own a gun in NJ and aren't on "a list" is a bit naive IMO.

Well said.

I bet it's not NJ legal LOL

Well said!

Untrue. I know several that will let you handle any firearm in the shop without producing any documents. Also, I know nearly everyone in the shops and they all know me. If you keep striking out, take the person to the range and let them shoot your guns. If rather than speak out against draconian laws you'd rather brag that you're friends with the guys in the gun shop, and you consider it special doing what people in 80%+ of the country wouldn't even think twice about, then you are a shining example of why we're in the mess we're in.