KWGOOD1980

I didn't quote you simply because it would start getting really realllly long. I also seem to be missing a paragraph where I was talking about the M16 length and the M4 and length in general blablabla. But no biggy. I understand the designations and yes technically they are all "ARs" but people in the military don't call them that which is why I'm probably being overly sensitive. Maybe LE is different(you sound like you're in LEO). But here's what I'm getting at. He's buying a civvy version under NJ laws. He's stuck with using a fixed stock and no selectable fire which is a huge difference to what LE/MIL use. We simply can't compare the two we can only look at what he CAN buy which is going to have a fixed stock. If I'm in a mout setting I want a shorter weapon. I know many many other guys who feel the same way. It's just easier to come around a corner and handle in general. Is this personal preference? Yeah, but its one I've heard over and over for many years. There is nothing wrong with an AR/M16/M4 whatever you want to call it but the version he is buying unfortunately for me has limitations under the NJ laws. If you must know I prefer a replica "Blade" katana and a bow and arrow for home defense. But seriously I think I would grab for my pistol and/or shotgun first. I don't know, maybe muscle memory would force me I to grabbing my AR and then I'd just be a giant hypocrite (won't be the first time). But good choice on the M&P they ate certainly fun! Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

First, no military teams use an "AR." They would use an M16/M4. Sure we could say I'm splitting hairs but since we all scream holier than thou at the anti's for messing up the terms I'm going to hold you to the same standard. The most common weapon used in today's military is the M4 however an AR is NOT an M4. No, it's not the same so please don't say it is. Combat ranges under 200 yards(which is highly common in Iraq for example) have smaller impact on terminal effects. Greater than 200? Sure the longer barrel is "better(and this is HIGHLY debateable)" but I'll say it again. Most urban combat is WELL under 200 yards. Simply put those few inches on a gun(if I recall it's 1.5 total? maybe 2"?) in an urban setting do make a difference and since other weapons in the toolkit are can be used for tossing lead over a longer range the shorter length works perfectly fine. That's why we have those DMR guys. And besides, he's not even able to buy a shortened version with a collapsible stock so it's not the same thing as what the teams are currently using. To act like an AR is the best home defense weapon he can buy is bit over the top. I know we have tons of AR fanboys on here but here's some food for thought. http://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/ http://www.chuckhawks.com/ar_disgrace.htm http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/replacing-the-m16-five-lethal-candidates/6/ Just want to shoot some paper? I still agree with Vlad, build it and learn it so you become comfortable with the weapon system.

Agree with Vlad. I like to buy cheaper entry points and then upgrade them so I learn the weapons platform. But...an AR for home defense? Little long to bring up quick and around corners just an FYI. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

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This. So if you're bat-shit insane and have been treated for it, etc etc etc.

This. The original post was clearly geared towards the assumption that they would be looking for other things. E.g. guns. They really could care less about your little collection when looking for a terrorist lol. Loosen the tinfoil.

Same. Never had an issue there at all. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Been through this training and even after it I never felt prepared for whipping out a Ka-Bar and defending myself with it. As others have said, the only way to really become proficient in something like that is to train with it ALL the time. It's a martial art and not something you can learn home through a book, DVD etc. Remember Daniel-son learning karate out the book? Johnny set him straight fast lol.

Good luck finding ammo. I have the same one now going on a month, haven't shot it yet.

I have the M&P 40. To be honest the VTAC and pro's are not worth it. You can get a M&P 40 for under $500 with a few mags. Apex trigger job is about $85. Both VTAC and pro start at $700+ if I recall. Yes there are several M&P9s that are fine in NJ.

Yeah I agree. A tax and spend liberal at best and even that is being generous. However I don't think he signs every bill, it would essentially ruin any chances of the White House as he will command little to no conservative/right/repub whatever vote.

Ok that's great and all, we heard you the first time. Why are you soooooo convinced?

I've seen quite a few Spydercos fall apart. Again though I used my knives under military conditions. Home use is not the same as a military training OP on top of a mountain in -20F weather or in the middle of a dessert. We use them to pry things apart, bash stuff, cut paracord, etc. And we use them quite a bit. We basically beat the hell out of our knives. I personally had a Spyderco have the screws fall out of the handle lol. Sure it's no a big deal, replace the screws etc but when you're in the middle of nowhere and your local big box store isn't down the road it's a pain in the ass. To this day I still have my SOG tanto as well as my Kershan(Leek?) and the SOG's finish is pretty much destroyed but the blade is in great condition and still cuts. I'm actually shocked the spring assisted function still works without a hitch.

Its not the most common thing but its been done every now and then. I mean you have to remember Marines leave boot camp hitting targets at 500 through iron sights Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I'll send a pm when I'm home from Hooters. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2